Coach Justin Longmuir

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Sounds like Freo under Ross Lyon from 2016-2019.

Yeah Freo played boring footy from 2012-5, but at least we were playing and winning finals.

Saying that.....

Again... I don't expect Justin Longmuir to win a flag or make a grand final with this side.

I do expect a 2 or 3 year run of finals

What about the side makes you dismiss the premiership hope? Are you saying we will be the Scott lead Kangas of the next four years?
 
What about the side makes you dismiss the premiership hope? Are you saying we will be the Scott lead Kangas of the next four years?

I'm beginning to feel that way.

We don't seem to have any ability to change the way we play to a method that's able to allow us to consistently score.

Was thinking back to first half of 2015 as the last time I felt really good about the way we play.

Other than that 2010
 

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I'm beginning to feel that way.

We don't seem to have any ability to change the way we play to a method that's able to allow us to consistently score.

Was thinking back to first half of 2015 as the last time I felt really good about the way we play.

Other than that 2010

We played it in patches last season. We were dominant. The team can do it but they are being held back.
 
I'm beginning to feel that way.

We don't seem to have any ability to change the way we play to a method that's able to allow us to consistently score.

Was thinking back to first half of 2015 as the last time I felt really good about the way we play.

Other than that 2010

Longmuir needs to find a different way quickly.

I enjoyed how we played from 2012 - 2015 (second half of 2015 the writing was on the wall).

2010 was a lot of fun and the win streak in 2006.

Very few and far between... I may find myself launching another business or in the garden more again this year...
 
I'm not denying freos forward structure overall isn't great.

Yet Freo made finals last season. So something was working.

Rory Lobb kicked 36 goals, tabs kicked 23 goals from 13 games.

The smaller guys goal kicking was well spread. Schultz kicked 30 goals, Frederick kicked 28 goals. Walters kicked 25 goals and 15 behinds.

So it wasn't relied on one bloke kicking a bag to win. It was a spread of players
I'm not denying freos forward structure overall isn't great.

Yet Freo made finals last season. So something was working.

Rory Lobb kicked 36 goals, tabs kicked 23 goals from 13 games.

The smaller guys goal kicking was well spread. Schultz kicked 30 goals, Frederick kicked 28 goals. Walters kicked 25 goals and 15 behinds.

So it wasn't relied on one bloke kicking a bag to win. It was a spread of players

But that’s exactly it. Lobb is no longer there and we don’t like admitting it but we did relied on him heavily last year. If he plays against north we undoubtedly win as he suits our game plan.

Tabs has been subbed out of both games. He’s being managed as if he’s not fit or the more glaring issue is he’s no longer up to the task. He’s well down on his output from last year.

The replacements for Lobb have collectively played 5 games and kicked 1 goal from a 50m call.

We are trying to play the same gameplan without the same ability to mark anything in the fwd 50.
 
That third quarter still gives me goosebumps. Show them this, remind them what can be done when the playbook goes out the window. It’s like watching Collingwood weekly, this is what we want!!

The problem is that, as per JL's own words pre the saints games. We want to slow down, control and maintain possession and hit guaranteed targets. Which is the complete opposite of that 3rd quarter and everyone else who's winning. Heard that and RTB's comments after their R2 clash and thought... there's our season. Slow ball movement. Scores under 80 all year.
 
That third quarter still gives me goosebumps. Show them this, remind them what can be done when the playbook goes out the window. It’s like watching Collingwood weekly, this is what we want!!


That's the most visceral example but you can even look at the Carlton, Brisbane and Port (minus that horrific last quarter) home games to see some fantastic, entertaining, aggressive footy. Against Brissy I remember thinking that this group had just "clicked" and that they'd set a standard in terms of the way we were going to play most weeks moving forward.

I put the regression towards the back end of last season down to a young squad tiring but it seems that for whatever reason, they haven't been able to reignite that spark so far. Yes there have been personnel changes but it clearly runs deeper than Lobb and Acres.

Over-coaching, structural changes, loss of confidence...or all of the above.
 
Got us to finals last year so he still gets my vote.

The next five games are going to be an interesting watch from a structure/method perspective.
Nah, the next few games are against cellar dwellars. Close losses and marginal wins will get spun into positives, used to justify selection and generate 'we're improving' comments. Should have started the season 5-1 having belted most of these teams. It was the easy part of our draw. It's where we could have banked % for later in the season. Massively disappointing.
The hard part starts after our first 6.
Round 7, Brisbane away. If we haven't changed... Well I'm already scared.
Round 9, Sydney away. If Brisbane belts us then this is going to be much worse.
Followed by Geelong & Melbourne.
 
Interesting watching On the Couch now. Talking about how colling wood were 17th for both Clearance and contested possession last year.

They’ve gone away and worked at it and are 2nd and 3rd or something.

What did we do to improve our transition ball and scoring?

Three fifths of **** all by the looks
 

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Interesting watching On the Couch now. Talking about how colling wood were 17th for both Clearance and contested possession last year.

They’ve gone away and worked at it and are 2nd and 3rd or something.

What did we do to improve our transition ball and scoring?

Three fifths of * all by the looks

That's not true regarding Freo

All preseason direct through the middle and pin point into the forward line. Come season proper it has been replaced with chip around and watch the opposition block out avenues to goal.

No wonder our forwards can't lead
 
That's not true regarding Freo

All preseason direct through the middle and pin point into the forward line. Come season proper it has been replaced with chip around and watch the opposition block out avenues to goal.

No wonder our forwards can't lead
Every team would go through the middle if they were allowed. Other teams don’t let you. We don’t seem to have a strategy of what to do if the opposition does something so basic as defend
 
Longmuir needs to find a different way quickly.

I enjoyed how we played from 2012 - 2015 (second half of 2015 the writing was on the wall).

2010 was a lot of fun and the win streak in 2006.

Very few and far between... I may find myself launching another business or in the garden more again this year...
The club needs to be considering its options at the moment. A five/six year rebuild is at risk of being wasted here.
 
That's not true regarding Freo

All preseason direct through the middle and pin point into the forward line. Come season proper it has been replaced with chip around and watch the opposition block out avenues to goal.

No wonder our forwards can't lead

That's the trouble with playing against yourself all preseason and the impression that it gives supporters. Opposition stop you doing what you want or need to do.
 
That's the trouble with playing against yourself all preseason and the impression that it gives supporters. Opposition stop you doing what you want or need to do.
Especially when it seemed from the reports we most often were playing an A Team against a B Team, rather than trying to balance them out to create a contest. At the time I thought it was bizarre and I assume could only have been done to build confidence in ball movement by having the A Team dominate and feel good about themselves. Has backfired
 
What about the side makes you dismiss the premiership hope? Are you saying we will be the Scott lead Kangas of the next four years?
I won't complain one bit if we had a finals run like the kangaroos did under Brad Scott from 2012-16.

Made and Elim final in 2012. Lost.

Miss out on finals in 2013.

Finished 7th or 8th in 2014. Won 2 finals with a mild to moderate playing list. Got smashed in the prelim final.

Finished 5th to 8th in 2015. Won 2 finals again but lost to west coast in Perth in a preliminary final.

Went 9-0 in 2016. But had another Elim final loss.

Hell..... I have posted a few times that I predicted Justin Longmuir will last around 5-8 years.

Would be interesting if Longmuir lasted as long as Brad Scott at North. That's basically 10 years from 2010-19.

Longmuir has been our coach since 2020. So, if he stays for a decade that means he is here until 2029.
 
I'm beginning to feel that way.

We don't seem to have any ability to change the way we play to a method that's able to allow us to consistently score.

Was thinking back to first half of 2015 as the last time I felt really good about the way we play.

Other than that 2010
This is gonna be random. But when it came to playing attractive footy. I say 3 seasons stood out and you already mentioned one of those years. That was 2010. But I will get to that soon.

I say 2022 was good. Yep we got a finals win for the 1st time since 2015. I never felt this happy since 2013.

Yeah we trailed at half time in some games but we fought back and won.

2010 season was also memorable. Some games were exciting. I loved our 1st 3 wins of that 2010 season.
Belted the crows in Perth in round 1. We then belted the bombers in Docklands in round 2.

Our next win vs Essendon in docklands was in 2022 and. David Mundy is the only bloke to play both wins.

Then there was that memorable round 3 wim vs Geelong. I think the score was 125-118

2006 was the other good year when we played good footy. Never forget that 9 game winning streak.

Jeff farmer kicked 55 goals that season. He went crazy and kicked like 34 goals in that 9 game winning streak.

Matthew Pavlich lead the dockers goal kicking with 61 goals but kicked like 29 in that 9 game winning streak too.
 
I won't complain one bit if we had a finals run like the kangaroos did under Brad Scott from 2012-16.

Made and Elim final in 2012. Lost.

Miss out on finals in 2013.

Finished 7th or 8th in 2014. Won 2 finals with a mild to moderate playing list. Got smashed in the prelim final.

Finished 5th to 8th in 2015. Won 2 finals again but lost to west coast in Perth in a preliminary final.

Went 9-0 in 2016. But had another Elim final loss.

Hell..... I have posted a few times that I predicted Justin Longmuir will last around 5-8 years.

Would be interesting if Longmuir lasted as long as Brad Scott at North. That's basically 10 years from 2010-19.

Longmuir has been our coach since 2020. So, if he stays for a decade that means he is here until 2029.

I get all that which is why I used that as an example. the challenge with North during that period is I don't think anyone thought they would actually win a flag.

I am asking why you think that will be us? Or, why you don't think we will even reach those levels?
 
I don't think after a decade as an assistant and in his fourth year as a head coach he can be called a young coach.

That would be inconceivable in almost any profession let alone coaching. If he is the head coach he gets a years grace. And that is in building the gameplan with the team. He got two because of Covid. Last year the team made finals and he was younger than he is now. Fourth year he is no longer a young coach.

I could never imagine hiring a CEO (even a first time CEO) and in the fourth year calling them a young CEO. If I was in a board meeting and that was the case there would be specific management plans in place or there would be a massive problem.
?? I didn’t say he was a young coach.

but this is a test of whether he has the agility to be a career coach.
 
Especially when it seemed from the reports we most often were playing an A Team against a B Team, rather than trying to balance them out to create a contest. At the time I thought it was bizarre and I assume could only have been done to build confidence in ball movement by having the A Team dominate and feel good about themselves. Has backfired
No they did both (more or less). At the end they went with the likely starting line up vs the rest (with a sprinkling of b22s for some added balance). As the season approaches they wanted the chemistry to build.
 
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