Coach Justin Longmuir

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arsesmart said:
Doesn't work anymore. Coaches have got to be smarter than that. Hardwick (from the start of 2017) promoted positive engagement. McRae does the same. Quite possibly all those so old fire and brimstone coaches may have just been poor at emotional regulation.
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Hogwash. McRae and Hardwick were hard at it players and campaigners on the field. Jlo was a softy.

Translates into coaching.
 
arsesmart said:
Doesn't work anymore. Coaches have got to be smarter than that. Hardwick (from the start of 2017) promoted positive engagement. McRae does the same. Quite possibly all those old fire and brimstone coaches may have just been poor at emotional regulation.
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Total garbage. Macrae has dropped players multiple times, been tough as guts in messaging behind closed doors for years, and just destroys any entitlement or sense of superiority in even Brownlow medal winning players, in favour of accountability and driven performance. This "old guys can't coach" or "coaches have to listen and feel and be everyone's mate" stuff is just garbage. Reesults across all sports at all levels in the last decade say that hard strong coaching wins, not pathetic abysmal soft blah popularity - and certainly not the obsessive one dimensional stubborn mantras we are seeing for Bell and JL.

Player popularity = poopularity as a coach.
 
Pure plain and simple, JL has allowed certain players to develop an entitlement to selection no matter what, and led many others to question why they are not selected or not allowed to play freely - and why they get blamed again and again and again for "mistakes" in game reviews when other mates get no comments at all.

Deep seated flaws that have been around since just before the bye last year, nothing done to stop them and anyone (Murphs and Carr amongst others) who dares to say that the dogmatic game plan and selection favourites are impacting other players is immediately cut from the influence group. Won't change until Bell is gone, I desperately hope we can hang on to Murphy and then let him lead without the Bell anchors and obsessive oversight...
 

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Frustrating thing with JL is he hardly ever makes a change. Three changes had to be made:

1) put Aish on Walsh after 5 minutes
2) play 7 on 7 in our forward line so that Saad couldn't just sit back there all day mostly on his own
3) give the kick in to Clark, Young or Walker with the instruction to grab the ball as soon as it went through and play on 25-30 metres to find a target on the wing or centre.
 
BeinPurplenGreen said:
Has been said around here before but that Buckley comment about how quiet and introverted the group was before the dees game was telling.
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Interesting that JLo echoes Buckley sentiment. We went into our shells, got stuck in our head. We won the game Buckley watched. Some would say steely resolve. Maybe we don’t need all the bravado. I feel like JLo is a bit easily swayed, coaches from the sideline like Macrae. Probably listened to Buckley and trying to get the players vocal and yelling before the game. Just revert to what you’re good at, let our players show you what they’re good at.
 
Outshined said:
I'll be glad the day the "hard at it player = strong coach" trope dies.

Adam Simpson won a flag ffs.

Tactical acumen and an ability to connect with players are more important than being tough. Jeez.
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But Simpson had 'hard at it' Sam Mitchell, for a midfield coach.
 
Outshined said:
I'll be glad the day the "hard at it player = strong coach" trope dies.

Adam Simpson won a flag ffs.

Tactical acumen and an ability to connect with players are more important than being tough. Jeez.
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I wasn't advocating for a 'hard at it' coach. I'm wanting a good, inspiring leader. To motivate the guys - to get them feeling their very best when they run out instead of half asleep. We've surely all come into contact with someone who inspires you to get the best out of yourself and elevate you to the next level. Young guys especially need that sort of rev-up as they're not yet mature enough to manufacture it internally, aside from a rare few.
 
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Getting Dimma here is a pipe dream. I highly doubt it would happen. Pyke is the best realistic choice and I think he would do very well with this group. I also think Adem Yze will be a great coach one day but that’s obviously also a gamble
 
freo1 said:
Club needs to be ruthless in the chase of Hardwick.

The players are confused and lack inspiration from JL.

At yesterday's first center bounce, the ball hit the deck and 3 of our players stood around it watching, none going to get the ball. This screamed of confusion in the sense that the players didnt know their role. Who was to be inside collecting the ball and who was to be the receiver.

How we start the game has been a horrible issue since last year - i'm not talking about the score at the end of Q1 either, i'm talking about our lack of effort to start games. Some 1st quarters we have won have still had a lack of effort for the first 10-15min. Good teams dont have these periods where you're asleep at the wheel. Again this is coaching issue.

Selecting Worner yesterday - great to give the kid a debut, but an undersized HB/Wing, against a bigger bodied team - this was a poor selection, this was playing us into the GWS game again where we were monstered by bigger/stronger bodies.

I dont like to just pot shot coaches, but we're not learning from mistakes, and there's 12 months of symptoms now to show where on the downward slide.

We have to be very careful here that our talented youth dont look to leave the club for better opportunities. Sounds like Henry is on that train - i dont even rate him but we put so much effort into development then let them walk - ie Tucker and Logue last year.
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I can see Darcy getting frustrated and just saying “f*k this *
Works his ass off every week. Wins most of the taps .
Runs up and down the ground covering forward and defence and then just sees the ball getting turned over every 5 minutes

If he re-signs it will be a miracle I reckon
 

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Vimal Anand said:
One interesting fact is only leigh mathews and malthouse are the only tried coaches in recent history to win a flag at a second club. All other majority flags went to untried coaches.

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We won a minor premiership and made a grand final with an experienced coach. The only experienced coach we have ever had.
 
Outshined said:
Torn with JL because sport has plenty of recent examples of clubs sticking with an under-pressure incumbent coach and seeing positive results. Richmond with Hardwick, Denver with Malone, Arsenal with Arteta etc.

Melts aside, it's still a young team (inb4 that's not an excuse blah blah) and we know he can get them playing reasonably well, just without any sort of consistency. That gap in performance probably closes a bit with maturity. The bigger issue is whether he's equipped to meet the challenges of turning a flaky side with flashes of brilliance into a great one that can win even when Plan A is taken away from them. I'm increasingly seeing him as a good development coach who was perfect for a young squad in the midst of a rebuild, but he may not have what it takes to turn them into a hard-nosed competitor.
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Im not Torn about Justin Longmuir. I have no issues having him gone at the end of the season.

I at least had Loyalty and Gave Ross Lyon a chance of a rebuild, because he deserves it Because he got us Finals in 2012-15.

Ross Lyon is the only coach in our 30 year history to get us to finals for 2 seasons in a row.
 
Madas said:
I can see Darcy getting frustrated and just saying “f*k this *
Works his ass off every week. Wins most of the taps .
Runs up and down the ground covering forward and defence and then just sees the ball getting turned over every 5 minutes

If he re-signs it will be a miracle I reckon
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Imagine him Leaving the dockers as a free agent next season... Yep we got ruckmen as good as him to fill hs spot lol.
 
Freomaniac said:
Imagine him Leaving the dockers as a free agent next season... Yep we got ruckmen as good as him to fill hs spot lol.
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As the Blues and many teams have shown this year if you have good midfielders you don't really need a ruckman too much anyway. If a team can have rucks as bad as Silvagni and Young and the team still plays as well as the Blues what's the point of having a ruck that gets 50 more taps a game.
 
Midnite65 said:
As the Blues and many teams have shown this year if you have good midfielders you don't really need a ruckman too much anyway. If a team can have rucks as bad as Silvagni and Young and the team still plays as well as the Blues what's the point of having a ruck that gets 50 more taps a game.
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Well the dockers midfield last season got us 15 Wins and a draw from 22 games last season. Fyfe didnt play the 1st 14 games.
 
Freomaniac said:
The dockers board at the end of 2021 to have multiple top 4 finishes and a flag by 2025. Very Ambitious if it was the dockers mens side. If you added the docker ladies side too, that would be more realistic.

Mind you, the dockers ladies side would of and should of won a flag in 2020.
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If a company board released a statement that they would be making a record profit in 4 years, but in actual fact made a loss, how would that go down with the shareholders?
 
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