Coach Justin Longmuir

[FreoRicci]

We lost Acres, Mundy, and Lobb in one trade season.

The reality is that our list is pretty young but pretty good.

Justin Longmuir is the issue.

It’s pretty young, pretty good however pretty inconsistent.
Young teams shouldn’t be pushed to make top 4.
Erasmus, Henry, MJ, Amiss, Jackson new players to the team this season.
Replacing Mundy, Fyfe, Tabs, Lobb, Acres. That’s pretty significant change in game plans and understanding

 

[FreoRicci]

If Hinkley or Scott were available, you’d have to look at it. Otherwise think he has until the bye next year.

Absolutely need some more experience around him. If mini doesn’t get the Richmond gig, should throw the cheque book at him to come west. Though I think Ross is in line to poach him.

Pyke, Dean Cox should also be high up the list.

Bring pyke in as senior assistant with a view to take over from Bell.

Agree with Pyke. Senior assistant is needed.
What about Buckley? He has interest in Fremantle and is good mates with Jl

 

[greatgatsby]

Buckley is either a senior coach or earning 300K in an easy media job. He's not uprooting to Perth to advise Longmuir. We need to replace the senior coach not try to prop him up with senior coaches.

 

[arsesmart]

Them trigger fingers sure are itchy. Do you really replace the coach after one manky season?

 

[Freomaniac]

On a side note to game day coaching - my biggest hate for JL is him ruining kids debut games by making them the sub. It's just disgusting. We should use their adrenalin as a tool and throw them straight into battle. sub them out later if they're not performing. leaving a poor kid sitting on the bench for 3 quarters of his debut game is pathetic in my opinion. Culture breaking stuff.

I am glad you brought this up.

I am happy to talk about this too....

I am fence sitting on this view. Because there is a double edged sword about playing kids as the sub.

I have no Issues playing a debutant as a sub. One of the 22 players gets injured in the 1st half, they come in. If the game is already over with 5 minutes to go, sure use it. But its not culture breaking stuff as you said.

Remember the Sub Rule of 2011-15? Yes this was around the time Ross Lyon got freo into finals. There was 4 blokes on the bench. 3 acutal on the interchange and 1 sub. Ross Lyon constantly had debut kids on the sub spot. Lachie Neale was our sub in the 2013 AFL grand final.

I Hated the sub rule in 2011-15 era for 2 reasons.

1. you could only rotate 3 blokes off the bench. you had to use it wisely, only if your forced.

2. This was the main reason I hated it the most. You could use it in the 2nd half of the game. I have seen games where the sub was used to replace a player. and then 3-5 minutes later, a player is injured and your down to 2 fit players on the bench.

 

[Big Animal]

Them trigger fingers sure are itchy. Do you really replace the coach after one manky season?

yeah, I want to see what happens next year. We had the weight of high expectations on some very young kids this year. They will be better for it in time. We have a lot of talent across the board and they're generally very young. Biggest potential loss to the team this year is Henry, and we wouldn't even notice it once everyone is back for pre-season. Would just like to get another pre-season into the kids, and try to score another Ballas/Sonny type in the late picks from WA or other. I look forward to a Adelaide/Essendon-like draw next year to get some wins and momentum.

 

[Righteo]

People always say this when talking about firing a coach and it bothers me. Where did Craig McRae come from? Alastair Clarkson when he started in 2005? Chris Fagan? Chris Scott? John Longmire? Luke Beveridge? Adam Simpson? Damien Hardwick?

None of these guys had experience when they started.

It really all depends on how strong their Powerpoint game is.

 

[arsesmart]

Biggest potential loss to the team this year is Henry, and we wouldn't even notice it once everyone is back for pre-season.

You is really asking for it, aintcha?

 

[greatgatsby]

Them trigger fingers sure are itchy. Do you really replace the coach after one manky season?

I'm resigned to it. By the way, it's one decent season out of four. I'm merely pointing out that we will have to sack him next year and in doing so we will have wasted another year. But it would appear the "we have a developing young list and it will all be good in the end" crew are the majority.

 

[Freomaniac]

JLo has really farked us in that between him and Simpson the two head coaches have combined to make Optus everyone's fave ground to play at away from home.

That's going to sting for another decade. Miss the days of Subi being a fortress.. though not the crappy stadium..

You look back at last season.

Yeah 15 wins and 1 draw from 22 regular season games was solid.

But compare our 2022 games to 2023. its massive.

In 2022, our home losses were to Saints, Demons, Magpies and Swans. Saints home loss in round 2 hurt, but it gave us the kick up the bum we needed and we won the next 6.

No shame losing to Demons , magpies and Swans as all 3 finished in the top 4 or top 6.

In 2023, we have lost to some horrible sides. North Melbourne, Blues and Swans.


In 2022 we were road warriors beating Demons at the mcg, Cats in Geelong. we won 7 away games out of 10.

In 2023, we are literally road kill on the side walk. lol

The playing squad is young but it should not be this bad.

 

[Bicco]

We need to throw everything at Don Pyke as a midfield coach. He will be no.1 target for the Eagles as head coach if Simmo leaves/is pushed out so we need to get his signature before than.

Im pretty sure it's an unwritten rule that if one of your assistants is offered a head coaching role, you allow them to take it.

 

[blue shark]

Im pretty sure it's an unwritten rule that if one of your assistants is offered a head coaching role, you allow them to take it.

Looking at the two clubs, Freo’s list is still in good shape and plenty of upside.
WC won’t play finals till at least 2027.
I wouldn’t take the eagles job without a 4 year deal.
Then there is history to be made, first premiership coach, life changing.

 

[Docker4eva]

17th and not 18th? Who would you have behind him?

Just Steven King, nobody else.

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[wakojako]

Im pretty sure it's an unwritten rule that if one of your assistants is offered a head coaching role, you allow them to take it.

Yeah but the whole point is JLo is given the year and if he doesn't perform than Pyke is given the keys. Both parties win.

 

[Madas]

Also wonder how much the decision to endorse Pearce as captain was the club being aware of the potential dip this year, and protecting Bae and Sebba from criticism in that regard.

On the captaincy
I actually think Hayden Young would make a great captain
Although he is a surfer so not sure how much there is between the ears but he as tough as nails and reads the game well

Either way whether it’s him , Serong or Brayshaw …. They are all just too damn young and it’s not going to achieve a thing in changing it , in fact it will probably make it worse
Let them focus on their bloody games

Anyone who’s been in a footy or any team knows a captain leads by actions not so much words
Sometimes there is a complete other player who can provide the rev up when needed and the players respond to that .

As long as Pearce is doing that , and has some form of tactical nous and game awareness then he’s fine .

I can’t think of any older players who would be worthy , Luke Ryan maybe .

Sit it out a year and give Serong and whoever else the vice captaincy

 

[DragoDelph]

On the captaincy
I actually think Hayden Young would make a great captain
Although he is a surfer so not sure how much there is between the ears but he as tough as nails and reads the game well

Either way whether it’s him , Serong or Brayshaw …. They are all just too damn young and it’s not going to achieve a thing in changing it , in fact it will probably make it worse
Let them focus on their bloody games

Anyone who’s been in a footy or any team knows a captain leads by actions not so much words
Sometimes there is a complete other player who can provide the rev up when needed and the players respond to that .

As long as Pearce is doing that , and has some form of tactical nous and game awareness then he’s fine .

I can’t think of any older players who would be worthy , Luke Ryan maybe .

Sit it out a year and give Serong and whoever else the vice captaincy

I think it’s also been forgotten that pearce led them team all last year into finals.

People jumping on him as the cause for the slump need to just take a breath.

 

[Madas]

yeah, I want to see what happens next year. We had the weight of high expectations on some very young kids this year. They will be better for it in time. We have a lot of talent across the board and they're generally very young. Biggest potential loss to the team this year is Henry, and we wouldn't even notice it once everyone is back for pre-season. Would just like to get another pre-season into the kids, and try to score another Ballas/Sonny type in the late picks from WA or other. I look forward to a Adelaide/Essendon-like draw next year to get some wins and momentum.

From the brief time we saw of Stanley on the weekend I think he could be as good as Henry and possibly get there quicker .

More of a loss would be that Dockery feeling that we pumped games into him only to lose him as he starts to show form

 

[Madas]

I think it’s also been forgotten that pearce led them team all last year into finals.

People jumping on him as the cause for the slump need to just take a breath.

No one is sacred when the knives are out .

If we listened to this forum we would be looking for a whole new administration, half a bloody team and even the water boys and girls would be on notice

 

[arsesmart]

You look back at last season.

Yeah 15 wins and 1 draw from 22 regular season games was solid.

But compare our 2022 games to 2023. its massive.

In 2022, our home losses were to Saints, Demons, Magpies and Swans. Saints home loss in round 2 hurt, but it gave us the kick up the bum we needed and we won the next 6.

No shame losing to Demons , magpies and Swans as all 3 finished in the top 4 or top 6.

In 2023, we have lost to some horrible sides. North Melbourne, Blues and Swans.


In 2022 we were road warriors beating Demons at the mcg, Cats in Geelong. we won 7 away games out of 10.

In 2023, we are literally road kill on the side walk. lol

The playing squad is young but it should not be this bad.

Same coach eh?

Young sides get pumped regularly. Age gaps are one of the surest indicator of win/loss. The only sides we've played who have been younger than us this year are Saints, Crows and Hawthorn (all three were just months younger on average).

Any reason for the ommission of beating the Demons at the MCG again?

Carlton only out of the 8 on percentage. Swans a game and percentage. Maybe not great, but they were in some pretty good form (and much older than us) when we played them.

Also last year we had a lot more stability from the previous season as far as the playing list goes, which is not to be undersold, particularly for a young squad.

 

[Freomaniac]

Looking at the two clubs, Freo’s list is still in good shape and plenty of upside.
WC won’t play finals till at least 2027.
I wouldn’t take the eagles job without a 4 year deal.
Then there is history to be made, first premiership coach, life changing.

Freos list overall isnt too bad. Only thing that worries me is the back 6. Ironic because the Backline was Ross Lyons main strength in 2012-15.

Im very worried about the dockers KPD stocks.... Alex Pearce is 28, He has had a bad season as captain. Joel Hamling is 30, might be forced to stay for another year with our KPD depth. Brennan cox turns 25 next month and is a free agent in 2024.

I am not too worried about the flankers and back pocket players.

But in reality, we should be contending for finals with this current side. we are no where near it.

 

[Freomaniac]

Looking at the two clubs, Freo’s list is still in good shape and plenty of upside.
WC won’t play finals till at least 2027.
I wouldn’t take the eagles job without a 4 year deal.
Then there is history to be made, first premiership coach, life changing.

I wouldnt take the eagles job without a 4 year deal either. Unless there are certain thing I want done. The eagles squad needs fresh talent. Either get them in the draft or trade picks for 21-24 year olds.

Scary to think that the eagles 2015-22 era is scarily similar to freo in 2010-16.

To be honest... theres a reason why the eagles couldnt get access to early picks. they made finals in 2015-20. So 6 years in a row. That also meant that they had no top 10 pick from 2015-20.

they then finished 9th in 2021, could of got 7th or 8th had they won one close game. then the eagles fell into a heap in 2022.

Dockers made finals in 2010, missed out in 2011, then finals in 2012-5 then fell into a heap in 2016.

Saying that... yes 2010 draft will always be the jayden pitt over jack darling draft.

2011 we finished bottom 6 but our 1st rounder was pushed back a few picks with GWS.

2012-15 we made finals. 2012 handed us Josh Simpson, had talent but didnt work hard.

2013 was michael apeness. a kpf ruck that was injury prone.

2014 was Lachie Weller. A good player. one of the rare 1st rounders that wasnt a dud or injury prone or had off field problems.

2015 1st rounder was the Harley bennell trade. Picks 16 and 35 for pick 22 and Bennell.

 

[Bicco]

Yeah but the whole point is JLo is given the year and if he doesn't perform than Pyke is given the keys. Both parties win.

That seems a bit weird to me. Pykes path to promotion/progression is dependent on the performance of the person he's working under and is literally an assistant for. To pose a theoretical question, why would Pyke try? The more successful he is in his role as assistant, the less chance he has of getting the senior coaching role.
I don't like it.
It's the club trying to have a dollar each way.
If you were JL would you want to work in those conditions? I wouldn't. Culturally, to me it stinks.
If the club wants Pyke as the head coach, get him. But there'd be plenty of good assistant coaches who don't want to be head coach. It's a completely different pressure/mindset/commitment.
But as I said before, we could get Pyke in as assistant, then WC offer him the head coach role and he's gone. Not only are we now back to where we started, but we've potentially missed out on signing other assistants in the meantime. So could be worse off.

 

[CapitalA]

Mundy will also be one of the great coaching minds of the next 15 years. And yet we F'd him off without even trying to give him a go as a development assistant for one year as a way of getting him to go round for one more year as a player...

Everyone is hammering me for my views on Bell, with ten years hindsight you'll see how toxic he is, just as he has been such a toxic failure in so many things before he ever came anywhere near the job at Freo.

The blind love for Bell and JLo is just so instructive of how the Freo social media team has taken over the messaging...

You're hate for Bell is toxic IMO.

 

[DragoDelph]

You're hate for Bell is toxic IMO.

Also the Mundy comments are bizarre. (only just catching up in here)

The club is holding a testimonial for him. There's noting wrong with him getting some separation from the club for a few years, finish his doctorate, decide what he wants to do. And get some experience under one of the great WAFL coaches while he's at it.

 

[King Tenz]

You're hate for Bell is toxic IMO.

Not sure on that. Bell is getting off lightly imo, should be the first one sacked.