Ken Hinkley has a better win percentage than Ross Lyon
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Fooled me again, I had Port winning by 90 points last night, out by 29 goals
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I am not surprised.
Ross Lyons record too a hit when Freo didn't make finals from 2016-19.
Ken Hinkleys worst season as a Port Coach got him at least 10 wins.
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And yet Ross has been hired 3 times.
Reckon anyone is hiring old Ken once he's finally eradicated from Alberton?
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Yep.
Hell I would have him as coach next season if Justin Longmuir doesn't get the dockers to finals in 2025.
Port fans hatred of Ken Hinkley is crazy.
Social media doesn't help Ken's cause either.
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Harsh but true.
Ross Lyon Saints in that 2009 grand final vs the cats kicked 9.14.68. Had they kicked 15.8.98 or 14.9.93, Saints won that grand final.
Ross Lyon dockers side in that 2013 grand final vs the hawks kicked 8.14.62. had the dockers kicked 14.8.92, dockers win the grand final.
It's a harsh assessment but fair.
A Ken Hinkley team making a grand final will be interesting
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I don't think Ken Hinkley will be sacked. Watch Port make finals again in 2025 and get a 2 year extension
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Remember when Fremantle had a disastrous four win season in 2016?
If Hinkley was coach then Fremantle would have finished 9th 10th or 11th, rather than bottom 4.
A Ken Hinkley team making a grand final will be impossible.
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Port nearly made it under Hinkley in 2014 and 2020.
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Absolutely
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I am partially convinced Ken Hinkley will never get fired or quit.
I am partially convinced he will work at this Port Adelaide coaching job for life. He is either gonna die in his sleep or die on the coaching box falling off his seat or die sitting on the bench
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Which would have made literally zero difference to Freo's fortunes aside from getting them a worse draft pick.
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That is a lie. Ken Hinkley has got your mob to at least 4 preliminary finals in the last 12 years. Name other clubs that have done the same thing?
Port has made top 4 in 4 seasons from 2020 to 2024.
He has got your club to 6 finals wins. How many finals wins has gold coast have had in their history?
How many finals wins has Essendon have since 2005?
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Absolutely.
In fact, I'd say he'd be in the first 3-4 calls the Tassie team will make.
Ken's a "Culture Guy" in that he very clearly gets buy in from all of his players (for better or worse) and they will bust arse for him.
The pro are that average players will perform above and beyond and those moments can help you win games in the balance.
The con is that those performances, while high in effort, can fail on execution and you end up with some GOPs getting far more games than they should.
The Saints had this with the likes of McQualter & Rob Eddy basically locked into that 09/10 team while David Armitage & Jack Steven played VFL.
Rekon this is Ken's last roll of the dice though. Unless he wins a flag, he won't be getting an extension beyond his current deal.
Josh Carr is only gonna wait so long before he starts taking interviews again.
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I love Ken. Having to defend him from his own supporters is what makes BF great
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Uhhhhh this hasn't been Port's experience. Maybe in 2013? Now we regularly completely fail to show up in big games.
Our culture has been entirely torpedoed under his leadership, although that is obviously Koch's fault more than anything. Nobody could argue that Port getting absolutely annihilated in every final they play speaks to a good culture where players will run through brick walls for their guernsey and coach.
We also absolutely have gold passes for low ceiling players though, Jed McEntee is the current one but we've had a bunch of them.
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I would have thought it shows exactly that.
Port have players step up in he H&A games but when finals roll around the teams with better talent/tactics outshine your squad.
Hinkley had a team with Esava & BZT holding down the KPD posts for most of the year, Dixon at FF, and a ruck division that was all over the shop.
We can love Rozee/Butters/JHF on ball, Houston off half back, games from Rioli, Farrell, Bergman etc but when your KPP are in the solid B- range and you still finish top 4 then the coach is getting some top shelf efforts.
Anyone can make stars work.
Coaches like Hinkley, Lyon & Beverage are talked up as great coaches because they bring some absolute plodders up to a level most didn't think was possible.
The questions around them are about talent & tactics.
If you can get them leading a squad with talent in the right places and with a game plan to.make the most of that talent, then that's how you win flags.
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No, this just isn't correct. Arguing we step up in H&A games but don't in finals is arguing that the problem is mental. You could make this argument if there was a 2-3 goal turnaround, but we're talking about 12+ goal turnarounds.
Losing by 14 goals at home to a team you beat during the season simply can't be explained by a tactical difference. It's purely mental. It happens time and time again.
We beat Geelong during the season at the Kardinia and then lost to them by 14 goals in a home QF.
We absolutely annihilated Sydney by 19 goals a few short weeks before the finals, then got smashed off the park by them in the prelim.
In 2023 we smashed the Giants by 50+ points in round 22 before losing a home semi to them by 4 goals in a game we were never competitive in.
In 2021 we beat the Bulldogs in round 23 in Melbourne, then lost to them by 12 goals in the prelim despite them being confined to their hotel rooms for days before the game because of COVID restrictions.
Certainly Ken Hinkley's tactics are poor, but they were poor in the home and away season games as well. They don't explain 12+ goal turnarounds. You only get beaten by 12 goals if there is an enormous talent gulf (which there clearly isn't when we finished 2nd on the ladder) or if you mentally simply don't show up for the game.
Ken Hinkley coaches with a system that is designed to overwhelm poor sides but can be picked apart by good sides. He's hit his ceiling and it's very clear he can't go any higher. He coaches players who he instills with zero belief that they can win big games. His showdown record is also absolute dogshit despite the Crows having had what, 1 good season since he joined? That's because the players panic in big games.
