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Neo boy how much do you think it would cost North to lure Kosi across?

Or is that irrelevant considering the club has had two retirees so money is no object?

Wether or not Ko********scke has talent or not is up to personal opinion, and I've made mine clear. But i'd like you to justify if you think it is worth spending some serious cash to get a guy who is more than likely to play less than half the games in a season. People talk about dumb business decisions, well couldn't this rank up there with some of those?
 
Ausgard said:
I agree

On a side note - does anyone other than Dos Santos agree with Dos Santos ?

I mean other than the fact he is injury prone there doesn't seem to be a downside to him as far as I am concerned. Continually calling him a ******* and saying whatever awards he has won are meaningless has never really sold it for me
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You don't think being injury prone is much to worry about?
 
I was never keen on that deal for Jade Rawlings (first two draft picks or first draft pick plus a fringe player), but I'd be all for it if Kosi and the Saints were up for a trade.

There are question marks over him with his history of injuries, but I would not have any problem with taking him on, giving him the first six months of 2005 to get his body and fitness right, easing him into the side in the second half of 2005, with the aim of turning him into our CHB from 2006 onwards. Clubs tend to rush players back far too quickly, but I don't have any problem with having him sit out for six months to a year with a view to getting the following ten years out of him.

With the form of Reiwoldt, people have forgotten just how good Kosi was in his debut year (where he won the Rising Star - and if I remember right, nearly every Rising Star winner has gone on to have a very good career, so it is a fair indicator of how young players perform in the long term).

There aren't too many players that I'd be willing to trade away our first round pick for, but Kosi is one of them.
 

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spaniard,

first thing 1st... how many games of footy have you seen kosi play?

all you do is talk about injuries and lack of talent... are you blind or just stupid??

the bloke is a dead set gun, you don't win the norwich rising star in your 1st year unless you have some real talent. that is obvious (especially if riewoldt is picked up at number 1)

pros far outweigh cons, beautiful kick at goal, fantastic awareness around goals... can play down back if the need arises and pinch hit in the ruck while we wait for the BIG H to come on. I'd swap Hale and pick 10 for him. Hale has done far less than kosi and yet we build him up like he's a superstar... Kosi is no less injury prone than any number of absolute guns in the comp. its a tough sport if you haven't realised. possibly as you cannot see.

the injuries occured due to poor coaching and placing a 19 year old in the ruck due to lack of options... the elbow was unfortunate but injuries are part and parcel of the game and as he's had his fair share, the coming years will be better for him.

point is that if he could be available we would be silly not to move heaven and earth to get him. all this talk of zantuck/perrie/salopek i mean c'mon i can name 10 players on our list who are untried with potentially more talent.

we need to be proactive in turning our fortunes around, swaping average players for average players ain't helping our pathetic defence. the recruitment of Kosi would make our team and spine better than that of Geelong. which by my calculations has us in the top 4 should we get over the teams we should be beating.


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Dos Santos Aveiros said:
You don't think being injury prone is much to worry about?
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I thought you were saying he was a ******* ?

Injury prone is the only reason we have any hope what so ever of getting him. If he had played 22 games for the last three years there would be no discussion because St Kilda would be holding on to him.
 
Ausgard said:
I thought you were saying he was a ******* ?

Injury prone is the only reason we have any hope what so ever of getting him. If he had played 22 games for the last three years there would be no discussion because St Kilda would be holding on to him.
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He is a ******* in my opinion.

If he played 22 games a season the aints would hang on to him, so why should another club seek out a crock? Why would they (possibly) offload him in the first place? Same with Gardiner, great ruckman and all, but he hasnt done anything of late except occupy space on the treatment table.
 
Dos Santos Aveiros said:
Neo boy how much do you think it would cost North to lure Kosi across?

Or is that irrelevant considering the club has had two retirees so money is no object?

Wether or not Ko********scke has talent or not is up to personal opinion, and I've made mine clear. But i'd like you to justify if you think it is worth spending some serious cash to get a guy who is more than likely to play less than half the games in a season. People talk about dumb business decisions, well couldn't this rank up there with some of those?
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i have no idea how much it would cost to lure him across, I don't know how much he's on in the first place. I do know that the investment would be worth it in the long run. We have money to spend with 2 retirements thus far, going to 100% of the cap, Porter coming off a exorbinant contract, many fringe players likely to be delisted. We should spend it on people who can better our team, Koschitske can definately improve our team. Of course money matters, we're not Chelsea FC
 
Dos Santos Aveiros said:
He is a ******* in my opinion.

If he played 22 games a season the aints would hang on to him, so why should another club seek out a crock? Why would they (possibly) offload him in the first place? Same with Gardiner, great ruckman and all, but he hasnt done anything of late except occupy space on the treatment table.
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can someone translate?
 
NeoBlaze said:
can someone translate?
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Sure. If St Kilda were confident Koschitzke's body would hold up to AFL football, they wouldn't dream of trading him. Same with Gardiner in the hypothetical situation that West Coast were open to a deal.

I didn't think it was really that hard to understand.
 
Petrie Dish said:
Sure. If St Kilda were confident Koschitzke's body would hold up to AFL football, they wouldn't dream of trading him. Same with Gardiner in the hypothetical situation that West Coast were open to a deal.

I didn't think it was really that hard to understand.
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1. St.Kilda will find it very hard to keep all their guns on their list. With their outside recruiting Koschitske has all but been squeezed out of a position to call his own since they have Gehrig, Riewoldt, Penny, Hudgston, Maguire, Hammill all taking KP. This means he's the most expendable since they're planning on creating a dynasty as of maybe next year. This also if we trade draft picks allows them to pay minimum contracts for two years to some highly rated kids, and they'd get a very good deal in terms of draft picks because he's so highly rated himself.

2) Gardiner and Koschitske are not the same situation. Gardiner has chronically bad knees and has had 2(?) full knee reconstructions and has played 10(?) or so games in the last 2 years and in each return he has broken down very quickly afterwards. THAT is a bad injury worry. No doubt, Gardiner if injury free would be the best ruckman in the league, but his knees (like Colbert) makes any trade for him very very risky.
 
DSA, I don't know why you are bothering arguing with these clueless morons. I have full confidence in Nifty Nev and the rest of the recruiting team to not get ass r*ped in a trade deal involving KoS H I Tzke.

Someone made reference to "all 15 clubs would want to get Kosi", wouldn't that straight away make him a very expensive prospect? We stand NO chance of winning a bidding war with 15 other clubs.

It's troll season now is it? More like 'Idiots Coming Out of the Box Season', some of the trade suggestions on here are just mindblowingly stupid!

Bring on 2005 already!!
 
year of the roo said:
DSA, I don't know why you are bothering arguing with these clueless morons. I have full confidence in Nifty Nev and the rest of the recruiting team to not get ass r*ped in a trade deal involving KoS H I Tzke.

Someone made reference to "all 15 clubs would want to get Kosi", wouldn't that straight away make him a very expensive prospect? We stand NO chance of winning a bidding war with 15 other clubs.

It's troll season now is it? More like 'Idiots Coming Out of the Box Season', some of the trade suggestions on here are just mindblowingly stupid!

Bring on 2005 already!!
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Apparently I was the only one who agreed with me. What are you doing?! ;)

I imagine we'll see another mindblowingly stupid option next week, like Trent Knobel.
 
Dos Santos Aveiros said:
Apparently I was the only one who agreed with me. What are you doing?! ;)

I imagine we'll see another mindblowingly stupid option next week, like Trent Knobel.
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it'll come sooner, as a post by either you or YOTR
 

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I think we should recruit Simon Black, would solve all our midfield problems.

Also, Matthew Scarlett, would solve all our backline problems.

Finally, Nick Reiwoldt, the CHF we so desperately require.

Good call DSA.
 
Shinboners said:
I was never keen on that deal for Jade Rawlings (first two draft picks or first draft pick plus a fringe player), but I'd be all for it if Kosi and the Saints were up for a trade.

There are question marks over him with his history of injuries, but I would not have any problem with taking him on, giving him the first six months of 2005 to get his body and fitness right, easing him into the side in the second half of 2005, with the aim of turning him into our CHB from 2006 onwards. Clubs tend to rush players back far too quickly, but I don't have any problem with having him sit out for six months to a year with a view to getting the following ten years out of him.

With the form of Reiwoldt, people have forgotten just how good Kosi was in his debut year (where he won the Rising Star - and if I remember right, nearly every Rising Star winner has gone on to have a very good career, so it is a fair indicator of how young players perform in the long term).

There aren't too many players that I'd be willing to trade away our first round pick for, but Kosi is one of them.
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Kosi is a perfect example of a kid being forced to hold down a key position prematurely with very little support.

The battering he had to take at CHB while the Saints were constantly under the pump, week in, week out, will probably limit his AFL career.

Whilist I'd welcome him at Nth, I'd be wary of his longevity.

If the Saints were willing to trade their former number two draft pick that would say something in itself.
 
football365 said:
What about Marty McGrath YOTR. He can play. Lucky your not our recuiting officer. Pfft Marty McGrath hahaha
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It came sooner than I though DSA!

WTF are you on about stupid moron? :confused:
 
Well theres not at all (cept we dont have one :D ), but why slag others for far more enterprising ideas than that of the coup of Martin McGrath, who by the way is running around in the Roosters 2's.

And thats not a bad internite site there, pity about 2 of the mods...
 
football365 said:
Well theres not at all (cept we dont have one :D ), but why slag others for far more enterprising ideas than that of the coup of Martin McGrath, who by the way is running around in the Roosters 2's.

And thats not a bad internite site there, pity about 2 of the mods...
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I agree, Lidge and Buddykin are real idiots.

But, without the benefit of hindsight, there could have been worse things than considering McGrath for a spot on the rookie list last year. From all accounts he seemed like a good kid who had had little guidance.

Anyway, I didn't slag anyone off, I just don't think Kosi would be worth what we'd have to give up for him, considering the Saints would only look to trade if they had little confidence in his abilities to stay on the park.
 
football365 said:
Well theres not at all (cept we dont have one :D ), but why slag others for far more enterprising ideas than that of the coup of Martin McGrath, who by the way is running around in the Roosters 2's.
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Bit of a difference between chucking McGrath on a rookie list and throwing heaven and earth at St Kilda for an injury prone hack who is supposed to solve all our problems.
 

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