Kurt Tippett to the Swans? **UPDATE: Tippett requests trade to Sydney***

[CrowGlen]

Carlton could say the same thing about Sam Jacobs. We drafted him as a rookie. nurtured him for 4 years and elevated him onto the senior list. His last game for Carlton was in a final. Carlton didnt want to lose him , he was offered a new contract.
Just as was about to blossom he wanted out, being chased by Adelaide. Carlton wanted a first round pick, which wasnt unreasonable.
Adelaide argued that pick 33, ( the pick used to get him) in other years would be the equal of an early 20's pick because GC had all the early picks that year. Well, the Swans could argue that pick 23 would be pick 18 if the compensation picks werent in play this year.
They cant have it both ways, if Carlton had held firm then Jacobs may never have gotten to Adelaide.
If a player is uncontracted then unfortunately the club often doesnt get full compensation, you take what you can get.
Adelaide were quite happy to get Jacobs for a steal then they must accept that sometimes you lose out on a trade.
I think the Karma bus is about to hit them.
Hold firm Sydney and dont offer them anything more. What goes around comes around.

The big difference is that Jacobs said he was coming home to SA and that's what he did.

KT said he "was a beach boy at heart and wanted to go home one day". Adelaide were quite prepared to negotiate fairly to help him get to either GCS or Brisbane - his home state clubs.
In August, contract negotiations were put on hold to relieve any pressure and allow him to concentrate on his footy. Sydney approached his manager in August - Blucher a former colleague of Ireland and current colleague of Mrs Ireland at Velocity Sport. The next thing that happens is KT declaring he's going to Sydney. Adelaide, Brisbane and GCS all blindsided and GCS stating very publicly that they couldn't match the $ydney offer.

Yes, I'm an Adelaide supporter, no I didn't want him to leave - neither did many others, but his announcement via text to his "long life friend" team-mates was not the action of a reasonable person. He could have retained his friendships simply by facing them and stating openly and honestly that he was going to Sydney for the money.

 

[.Shotties.]

Yes, I'm an Adelaide supporter, no I didn't want him to leave - neither did many others, but his announcement via text to his "long life friend" team-mates was not the action of a reasonable person. He could have retained his friendships simply by facing them and stating openly and honestly that he was going to Sydney for the money.

You have 0 idea on the state of his friendships and relations at the club. God damn football supporters can be sad sometimes.

 

[BlackCaviar]

Even opposition fans that don't support Adelaide are in on the act. Suddenly it's such an unfair world because there's a chance we'll get him cheaply, meanwhile they all secretly wish he nominated their club.

you can have him

 

[Woodie99]

The big difference is that Jacobs said he was coming home to SA and that's what he did.

KT said he "was a beach boy at heart and wanted to go home one day". Adelaide were quite prepared to negotiate fairly to help him get to either GCS or Brisbane - his home state clubs.
In August, contract negotiations were put on hold to relieve any pressure and allow him to concentrate on his footy. Sydney approached his manager in August - Blucher a former colleague of Ireland and current colleague of Mrs Ireland at Velocity Sport. The next thing that happens is KT declaring he's going to Sydney. Adelaide, Brisbane and GCS all blindsided and GCS stating very publicly that they couldn't match the $ydney offer.

Yes, I'm an Adelaide supporter, no I didn't want him to leave - neither did many others, but his announcement via text to his "long life friend" team-mates was not the action of a reasonable person. He could have retained his friendships simply by facing them and stating openly and honestly that he was going to Sydney for the money.

All the warm & fuzzy stuff you talk about doesn't alter the fact AFC paid unders for Jacobs.

So what if Sydney contacted his manager in August, just good work from our list management, I'm sure others also did.

If he chose GC or Brisbane would the AFC let him go for their 2nd round pick (Verbal agreement) or do you only bring this up because they have higher picks than us?

 

[CrowGlen]

You have 0 idea on the state of his friendships and relations at the club. God damn football supporters can be sad sometimes.

The anger/dissappointment at KT's decision isn't limited to supporters of the AFC.

 

[.Shotties.]

The anger/dissappointment at KT's decision isn't limited to supporters of the AFC.

You have 0 idea on the state of his friendships and relations at the club.

 

[Tex200]

Carlton could say the same thing about Sam Jacobs. We drafted him as a rookie. nurtured him for 4 years and elevated him onto the senior list. His last game for Carlton was in a final. Carlton didnt want to lose him , he was offered a new contract.
Just as was about to blossom he wanted out, being chased by Adelaide. Carlton wanted a first round pick, which wasnt unreasonable.
Adelaide argued that pick 33, ( the pick used to get him) in other years would be the equal of an early 20's pick because GC had all the early picks that year. Well, the Swans could argue that pick 23 would be pick 18 if the compensation picks werent in play this year.
They cant have it both ways, if Carlton had held firm then Jacobs may never have gotten to Adelaide.
If a player is uncontracted then unfortunately the club often doesnt get full compensation, you take what you can get.
Adelaide were quite happy to get Jacobs for a steal then they must accept that sometimes you lose out on a trade.
I think the Karma bus is about to hit them.
Hold firm Sydney and dont offer them anything more. What goes around comes around.

So over this and really does not belong here....but I wont have porkys.

Davis compo pick was on table which you rejected.

Then right at the end you came crawling back but we had traded that pick and do gave you what was left.

Davis compo pick was perfectly fair for a 4th ruck.

 

[Woodie99]

Posted on Adelaide board that Jesse HAD failed the medical & one post below.

Jesse we would like you run faster than Danger, jump higher than Nic Nat and kick further than Dustin Fletcher....wha you can't do any of those things...FAIL.

More like
AFC. "we won't you to act like all those good fans on BF's Adelaide board"
Jesse. " sorry my upbringing won't allow me to sink that low"
AFC. "sorry you fail"

 

[Tex200]

Apology.....the first offer for Jacobs was the bock compo pick....not davis

 

[BloodBath1945]

How good would it be if the Crows end up being too "proud" and just let him go to the PSD. Then the swans use pick 23 and end up finding an absolute gun who ends up getting in the HoF and still end up getting tippett in the draft for nothing

 

[GotTheGoodes]

How good would it be if the Crows end up being too "proud" and just let him go to the PSD. Then the swans use pick 23 and end up finding an absolute gun who ends up getting in the HoF and still end up getting tippett in the draft for nothing

That's the plan.... As far as I can tell anyway......

 

[Huntercrow]

That's the plan.... As far as I can tell anyway......

Do you plan to let Kurt in on this?
He has declared his allegiance to the Swans so the least you could do is protect his interests for the sake of any future relationship.
As far as I'm concerned Kurt can go jump but as a Swans supporter you now have to think of his welfare now that he has committed to you guys. Remember its your club that chased him and your club will be judged by future recruits and their managers on how he is treated by the Swans.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Do you plan to let Kurt in on this?
He has declared his allegiance to the Swans so the least you could do is protect his interests for the sake of any future relationship.
As far as I'm concerned Kurt can go jump but as a Swans supporter you now have to think of his welfare now that he has committed to you guys. Remember its your club that chased him and your club will be judged by future recruits and their managers on how he is treated by the Swans.

Because I'm the swans negotiator and make all the decisions.... Lighten up mate, seriously.

Turn this around and I'm you and on the AFC board I get a week for that crap too btw. Just sayin......

 

[Woodie99]

Huntercrow, where abouts in the valley are you, I'm from coalfield country, played for the Bulldogs in RL.

 

[CAS79]

Do you plan to let Kurt in on this?
He has declared his allegiance to the Swans so the least you could do is protect his interests for the sake of any future relationship.
As far as I'm concerned Kurt can go jump but as a Swans supporter you now have to think of his welfare now that he has committed to you guys. Remember its your club that chased him and your club will be judged by future recruits and their managers on how he is treated by the Swans.

Are we getting a lecture on player welfare and retention issues from a crows supporter..... Classic.

 

[texas_ranger]

i don't like Sydney supporters there all so stuck up

 

[S120]

i don't like Sydney supporters there all so stuck up

They're*

 

[Huntercrow]

Huntercrow, where abouts in the valley are you, I'm from coalfield country, played for the Bulldogs in RL.

Out Maitland way but you won't find me I know all the best hiding spots

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Sydney supporters stuck up huh?

This is what you're great moderator cmndstab posted as rules for posting on your board:

I figured this should be a mod announcement since nobody seems to read rules otherwise.


We are entering the 2012 trade period and Kurt Tippett is up for trade. There are obvious tensions regarding the trade. Please ensure you stick by the following rules:

For Opposition Supporters: Be respectful. Don't come in here and tell us Tippett is a spud. Definitely don't come in here with that well-worn line "YOU'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH US AND TAKE WHATEVER WE OFFER, OR LOSE HIM FOR NOTHING IN THE PSD!" Finally, if you're going to make a trade offer, be realistic. Offering a fringe player and an average draft pick is not realistic, it's disrespectful. The Adelaide mods have the final say on what is realistic and what is not, so if you're not sure, either ask us first or don't bother to post it.

For Adelaide Supporters: When you see an opposition supporter being disrespectful, report the post rather than flying off the handle, it'll make cleaning it up a lot easier. Also, please be polite to those opposition supporters who are trying to be respectful. We're all pissed at how Kurt has handled the situation but there's no reason to take it out on opposition posters that are just asking questions.


Violating these rules will be a red card infraction in the first instance.


These rules obviously carry over to all trade discussions, not just those involving Kurt Tippett

And has followed through with ridiculous cards for nothing more than actually telling it like it actually is. That's stuck up IMO.


EDIT: Not to mention this pearler as well:

If Jetta had been wearing Crows colours this year the umpires would have disallowed that goal.

Great form from a mod. Doesn't reflect badly on your whole board at all....

 

[Woodie99]

Out Maitland way but you won't find me I know all the best hiding spots

LOL, not after you. I went to Maitland Marist Brothers high school, have family there.

Just because we follow different teams doesn't mean we can't be civil.

 

[Huntercrow]

They're*

See you guys are good at spelling but shit with numbers!

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

you can have him

Yes we can.

 

[The King!]

The crows need to improve their confidentiality at meetings, every action, every plan, even internal relationships become knowledge to all the crows fans on big footy who are able to speak in such certan terms on how things are and what happens behind closed doors.

One thing is for sure given all the public grief he has copped from fans, media and the crows Tippett has remained tight lipped and has shown tremendous strength not to fire back, once he has nothing to lose he might one day enlighten us to what went on

Though he seems to shun the spotlight so doubt he will, class act.

 

[Stencorp69]

Complete opposite mate. Short term would be to take the 23. Long term is to show some backbone and PSD the dog.



Please don't post things you dont know about. Adelaide was unbelievably supportive of Kurt and did everything they could to accomodate his needs while he was at the AFC. We drafted him and gave him the chance at AFL. Nurtured him and then made him our highest paid player (despite not being the best). Then when he said this year he was possibly returning home (to Qld) we understood. Obviously wanting to keep him we put together a very lucrative offer (other players even took pay cuts). Then when he put contract talks off til the end of the year it was pretty obvious we thought he was going to QLD.

Then at the last minute he changes his mind to Sydney despite everything (that not being his home, and you guys having very little to offer the AFC for a suitable trade) and refused to talk to other clubs in negotiations. It wasn't til he announced Sydney as his only destination, basically giving a big slap in the face to the AFC (despite everything they'd done for him) that the supporters and club showed any kind of anger and resentment towards Kurt.

Draft picks are rarely short term value and as far as I can see hasn’t Kurt fulfilled is contract? What AFC did while he was under contract is the right thing for any club to do if they value the player. But facts are facts he's just not that into you and if he is able to go to the club he chooses because AFC are in a weak trading position due to many things including hand shake deals its hardly surprising. AFC Poor list management, poor exit management and loose lips have been an exercise in self harm for the club - my money is on AFC not doing anything and Tippett putting himself in the draft which will complete the club’s incompetence. Sydney won’t even have to use pick 23 and will use pick to pick up another player who they develop into a star.

I think it’s important for Sydney going forward for AFC to stick to their guns and refuse to trade Tippett as it gives us more options in the draft.

 

[wocbond]

Are we getting a lecture on player welfare and retention issues from a crows supporter..... Classic.

My theory, on the AFC BF board is that things are as they seem. All the adults, being frustrated by the depth that it had reached, have left long ago leaving the children in charge. After all it does have more than a whiff of Lord of the Flies about it. Occam's Razor says it is the most likely explanation.

Note for AFC members: Lord of the Flies is a book by an Englishman called William Golding. You may study it when (& if) you go on to High School.