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Kurt Tippett to the Swans? **UPDATE: Tippett requests trade to Sydney***
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Yeah I've given up caring. He's not worth all this fuss. All I don't understand is, how is he still contracted to Adelaide? Surely his contract has expired making him an auto-FA?
The more i read about GWS acquiring to get Tippett the more i get puzzled considering they took four KPPs and promoted Sam Frost from the rookie list.
If they do pick him up i guess they see Tippett as a trade commodity to be entitled to compensation for next year's draft like they need anymore draft picks
This an interesting scenario. If we were dealing with a piece of artwork or similar it would make sense. Buy low, hold for a period and hope to sell high. In theory it can apply to this as well. If they did take him, would he hate it that much that he'd be happy going to any of swans, suns or lions just to get out. This would leave the giants able to choose the best trade deal on the table. Theoretically it makes sense. But when dealing with professional, high performance athletes and people's lives, is it really likely? I really doubt it. Tbh, I'd love nothing more than to hear SOS read out his name, but I just can't see it happening.
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No, it's completely different.
- You don't sign up for $900k for four seasons with a piece of artwork,
- Art collectors don't have a salary cap
- A bad season is unlikely to make your piece of art valueless whilst you still pay $900k per season
- A piece of artwork is unlikely to affect your whole collection of artwork's culture because it doesn't want to be there
- An additional piece of art is unlikely to harm the development of your other, younger, pieces of art
- A piece of art is unlikely to have concussion issues ruling it out of the art industry for long periods of time
- A piece of art doesn't choose where it wants to go when you want to sell it
I have never heard of a club drafting a player who doesn't want to be there because they can trade him later. It would be an unbelievably bad idea and shortsighted thinking like that is all that would be needed to derail a club. GWS probably think they could win a flag in 5 years ... but 17 other clubs are targeting the same thing. Flags are hard to win so why go out of your way to do something that could make it even harder?
Sorry but it doesn't make any sense.
Edited to add: It really is win-win for us. Either we get a good player or one of our competitors makes a big mistake that could see us take one or two of their young stars off them in a few years.
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Any 1 think that GCS and Brisbane are just sitting back waiting not saying much and then will have a crack in PSD at tippett iff GWS dont take him with there num 1 pick
The theory remains exactly the same. Acquire an asset at below its real value, hold for a period and then offload at a profit. Now, I was responding to one if your fellow supporters who brought up the possibility of gws approaching selecting Tippett with this in mind. Your response was a very lengthy and combatetive way if agreeing with my post. The theory is sound, but in practice there are too many risks and human issues involved. Thanks for bothering to do something that I couldn't be arsed doing and listing a heap of the challenges involved. Kudos to you.
If GWS draft him just so they can trade him on after a year, there is a problem with the fact that GWS would need to find a club to take on the contract and then provide them with a trade offer that suits. If all that comes together they would then need Tippett to agree to such a trade. So GWS can't just trade him on after a year if the draft him but they would need to get him agree to a trade.
So I doubt GWS would draft him to then trade him next year.
So I doubt GWS would draft him to then trade him next year.
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So you think Tippett is worth more than the reported 3.5 million over 4 years?
Everyone here on BF seems to be advocating that the proposed $800k is already overs, how are they going to make a profit if they do trade him? Common sense would suggest that in all probability his form would decline if chosen to go to a team he did not want to go too due to some animosity for not getting his wish therefore his trade value would decline not increase.
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The only art comparison I could even remotely compare it too would be that episode of Seinfeld.
George buys those triangles because the artist is on his deathbed and looks forward to reaping the benefits when he dies and the value goes through the roof, unfortunately the artist makes a full recovery and the art remains basically worthless.
So Sheeds can have a crack and nab some triangles in the PSD but it is a gamble because he may just end up with underperforming triangles for 4 years at 3.5 mill that nobody wants to take off his hands.
George buys those triangles because the artist is on his deathbed and looks forward to reaping the benefits when he dies and the value goes through the roof, unfortunately the artist makes a full recovery and the art remains basically worthless.
So Sheeds can have a crack and nab some triangles in the PSD but it is a gamble because he may just end up with underperforming triangles for 4 years at 3.5 mill that nobody wants to take off his hands.
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LOL, get that chip off your shoulder dude. Someone disagreeing with you is not being "combatetive".
The theory is not sound for the reasons mentioned. If you want to view someone disagreeing with you as agreeing with you in a "combatetive" manner, well, that's up to you. Odd interpretation though
As I understand it neither Brisbane or GWS could compete with the financial offer Sydney put forward and I don't think either has freed up sufficient space in the trade/delisting period for that to change.
If they had the dollars I think they would have been into Tippett/Adelaide in the period when the Sydney trade was stalling.
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I meant GC not GWS.
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As bedford would say, just sit back and wait, we don't know yet!
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So it will come down to us and GWS. I reakon kurt will be shitting him self come PSD IFF SHEEDS keeps goin on like he is
They offered a cripple a 6 million dollar contract anything is possible
But that includes the father.
We aren't with Tippett
Interesting article that notes retention is already a concern for GWS, for all those preaching doomsday for the swans if we take KT and the reported contract, how are the young brigade of GWS going to feel about being asked to accept deals at "below market value" when KT waltz's in takes $800k/year and actually doesn't want to be there ....
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151703/default.aspx
GREATER WESTERN Sydney faces important battles on two fronts as it enters its second season in the AFL.
The first is player retention. The second is to become more competitive.
On the first front, the Giants would seem to be well placed.
Jeremy Cameron, Toby Greene, Devon Smith, Tim Golds, Tim Mohr, Jacob Townsend, Adam Treloar, Dylan Shiel, Tomas Bugg, Adam Kennedy, Adam Tomlinson and Matthew Buntine are among those who signed new agreements with the club last year and are committed to the Giants either to the end of 2014 and 2015.
The club's focus will be to add to that list over the next few months.
"We're like every other club - we want to retain our best players," Giants list manager Stephen Silvagni told AFL.com.au.
A key selling point to the players will be to emulate the Geelong model of the last few years, with a number of key players accepting new deals at below market rates in order to keep the list intact and remain in premiership contention.
"You back your club in," Silvagni added.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/151703/default.aspx
GREATER WESTERN Sydney faces important battles on two fronts as it enters its second season in the AFL.
The first is player retention. The second is to become more competitive.
On the first front, the Giants would seem to be well placed.
Jeremy Cameron, Toby Greene, Devon Smith, Tim Golds, Tim Mohr, Jacob Townsend, Adam Treloar, Dylan Shiel, Tomas Bugg, Adam Kennedy, Adam Tomlinson and Matthew Buntine are among those who signed new agreements with the club last year and are committed to the Giants either to the end of 2014 and 2015.
The club's focus will be to add to that list over the next few months.
"We're like every other club - we want to retain our best players," Giants list manager Stephen Silvagni told AFL.com.au.
A key selling point to the players will be to emulate the Geelong model of the last few years, with a number of key players accepting new deals at below market rates in order to keep the list intact and remain in premiership contention.
"You back your club in," Silvagni added.
And here is a little bit more for those doomsday protagonist to what the swans players actually think ...
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...tt-can-join-them/story-e6frf9jf-1226523807417
Many in the AFL believe this is way over the odds for his playing talent but it's what Tippett can offer to his teammates which has O'Keefe excited about the prospect of playing alongside the big man.
"He'll help the development of a guy like Sam Reid," Tippett said. "Sam will draw confidence that he's got another big body there and you've got Goodsey there as well who will benefit."
Should Tippett end up wearing the red and white, O'Keefe says all that will be asked is for him to play the role assigned him by John Longmire.
"We're not expecting him to come here and be best on ground," O'Keefe said.
"He doesn't have to come here and be best on ground. He doesn't have to play the game of his life every week.
"He just has to come here and play a role that's the way we play it."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...tt-can-join-them/story-e6frf9jf-1226523807417
Many in the AFL believe this is way over the odds for his playing talent but it's what Tippett can offer to his teammates which has O'Keefe excited about the prospect of playing alongside the big man.
"He'll help the development of a guy like Sam Reid," Tippett said. "Sam will draw confidence that he's got another big body there and you've got Goodsey there as well who will benefit."
Should Tippett end up wearing the red and white, O'Keefe says all that will be asked is for him to play the role assigned him by John Longmire.
"We're not expecting him to come here and be best on ground," O'Keefe said.
"He doesn't have to come here and be best on ground. He doesn't have to play the game of his life every week.
"He just has to come here and play a role that's the way we play it."
Great to here someone like O'keffe share his thoughts. if ROK is happy with him coming to the swans then im sure most of the playing group are fine with it. makes me feel alot more comfortable if we do get him 
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Personally I can't see GWS picking up Tippett.
Yes they already have Scully on a large wage (Although I would be backing that it was front loaded).
The main reason I would see them not picking him up would be to try and avoid upsetting the young playing group, If you think about it I doubt they will bring in a player on a very very large wage if he didn't want to play for your club (And if they did imagine how their playing group would feel about that...)(I know if I was in their shoes I wouldn't be happy about that...)
Personally I still think our biggest threat could be Brisbane.
-Back ending the contract won't do anything (By the time it kicks in no Black, Most likely no Brown and a few others who are on high wages).
- Have some cap space (Players like Buchanan, Fevola and co were still on their books this year)
- Have been known to be a little unpredictable at the draft and trade table before (Welcome to Mad Vossy) (Although I will say they have been rather reserved for the last few year)
- Have stated several times they were after a key forward or backman,
Yes they already have Scully on a large wage (Although I would be backing that it was front loaded).
The main reason I would see them not picking him up would be to try and avoid upsetting the young playing group, If you think about it I doubt they will bring in a player on a very very large wage if he didn't want to play for your club (And if they did imagine how their playing group would feel about that...)(I know if I was in their shoes I wouldn't be happy about that...)
Personally I still think our biggest threat could be Brisbane.
-Back ending the contract won't do anything (By the time it kicks in no Black, Most likely no Brown and a few others who are on high wages).
- Have some cap space (Players like Buchanan, Fevola and co were still on their books this year)
- Have been known to be a little unpredictable at the draft and trade table before (Welcome to Mad Vossy) (Although I will say they have been rather reserved for the last few year)
- Have stated several times they were after a key forward or backman,
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Wonder if anyone proof read this at the Herald Sun? I think the bolded should be attributed to O'Keefe also as it was he being interviewed, not Tippett.
Michaelg
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They don't do proofreading at the Hun, that's for elitists. Their readers don't know the difference anyway. Tippett, O'Keefe....who cares?
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