Kyabram DFL discussion 2023

[smooth mover]

Clubs can take control by refusing to be a part of it if they strongly feel it will destroy / disadvantage their fellow clubs and or league .
It obviously comes at the cost of not being affiliated which is a decision to be weighed up .

Correct Roar & that is a huge decision also because as you'd be aware with your league you need every club to buy into what your trying to create? & the uncertainty around that is as equally concerning as it is going in the same direction the league already are!

Be careful smooth they will put a gag order on you soon there good at doing that

Understood Browny, & just like yourself my best intentions are for country footy here not naming, shaming or defaming anyone personally so if it's not me saying it, it will be the next person! I'd be happy to sit down with absolutely anyone incharge & discuss every concern of the current state of country football but it always falls on deaf ears?

 

[GrassKat]

So much of me wants to be part of the solution with community sport in our state.

I have been part of a previous junior review and it appeared to be a very transparent process, then the implementation of the findings left much to be desired.

Creating AFL footballers can’t be the WHY of our game. It must only be a nice by product of a strong community sporting landscape. Strong major and minor leagues will get kids playing and the talented players will transcend to the elite ranks. The rest of us can then look to have long and rewarding careers in our communities as we give our neighbours a chance to connect and contribute to something meaningful outside of their day jobs.

I’d like some data tracking retention rates of players who participate across our local leagues. Which model is doing it best?

Is it the GMJL into the senior leagues?

Is it the PDL/MFL model that the KDL are trying to replicate?

Is this the type of work being investigated by the commission? Or are we just bubbling along blaming each other for the health of the game.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Isn't that all afl vic want, almost like an americanised system to funnel elite talent into the afl, and they don't care about the rest, because that means to them, more people attend and watch afl footy, they don't seem to get our games different, where people care more about their local side than their afl side

 

[GrassKat]

Isn't that all afl vic want, almost like an americanised system to funnel elite talent into the afl, and they don't care about the rest, because that means to them, more people attend and watch afl footy, they don't seem to get our games different, where people care more about their local side than their afl side

I’m not sure if that is the goal of AFL Vic, but that certainly is the perception.

As an Essendon fan, it’s been pretty easy to care more about my local team than my AFL team.

We can have it all, we can have elite players progressing, local players playing and still have great AFL attendance. I’d argue that if community sport were to go down the US path, that AFL would have less interest not more.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

I’d argue that if community sport were to go down the US path, that AFL would have less interest not more.

That would be correct to say, but as we all know, the AFL is guided by balance sheets first.

It is obvious that the number of grassroots clubs will decline nationwide over the next decade and the decline in the number of open age males playing will be a notable problem, however those numbers will be masked in part by an increase in female participation at senior and junior level.

 

[Restore]

No kids get paid to play Undera 3rds their mainly made up kid's that go to or have gone to school together at Moama and having kick together before Uni. The points system is ridiculous pidfl kid's 4 points

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[carlton_86]

No kids get paid to play Undera 3rds their mainly made up kid's that go to or have gone to school together at Moama and having kick together before Uni. The points system is ridiculous pidfl kid's 4 points

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Yeah we had a situation that one of the juniors at VT couldn't be rewarded as was a 4 pointer as came out of Euroa but had played a few games at longwood as well surely kids should never be a 4 pointer a lot of them at district clubs are just playing where there is a team/mates

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Correct Roar & that is a huge decision also because as you'd be aware with your league you need every club to buy into what your trying to create? & the uncertainty around that is as equally concerning as it is going in the same direction the league already are!



Understood Browny, & just like yourself my best intentions are for country footy here not naming, shaming or defaming anyone personally so if it's not me saying it, it will be the next person! I'd be happy to sit down with absolutely anyone incharge & discuss every concern of the current state of country football but it always falls on deaf ears?

How are Rushy meant to become competitive within kdl’s current system ?? Answer is they can’t and as a result they are unlikely to ever return and if they do it’ll be short term . The frustration a Coach is experiencing trying to lift a club from the bottom part of the ladder will be ten fold for a club trying to return .
How are KDL clubs without thirds and MOU’s going to field sides in the future say 3-4 years from now ?
How many COMMUNITY clubs will need to fall over before a stand is taken ?

 

[Mystery man101]

How are Rushy meant to become competitive within kdl’s current system ?? Answer is they can’t and as a result they are unlikely to ever return and if they do it’ll be short term . The frustration a Coach is experiencing trying to lift a club from the bottom part of the ladder will be ten fold for a club trying to return .
How are KDL clubs without thirds and MOU’s going to field sides in the future say 3-4 years from now ?
How many COMMUNITY clubs will need to fall over before a stand is taken ?

If they were smart they would try interest blokes this year get them to play 5-6 games and reduce a point next year. Would take possible 10-12 points off the whole team list? That’s another 2-3 good players, they have to be willing to put in the time to attract people to the club and be able to put a clear plan infront of them on where they want to head as a club

 

[hank1]

If they were smart they would try interest blokes this year get them to play 5-6 games and reduce a point next year. Would take possible 10-12 points off the whole team list? That’s another 2-3 good players, they have to be willing to put in the time to attract people to the club and be able to put a clear plan infront of them on where they want to head as a club

All well and good Mystery man, but how many ‘senior’ players would be happy to play a season of reserves football? And on top of that, with no guarantee that they will have a senior side next year.
Just **** the points system off.

 

[Restore]

All well and good Mystery man, but how many ‘senior’ players would be happy to play a season of reserves football? And on top of that, with no guarantee that they will have a senior side next year.
Just * the points system off.

Apparently pay 3rds kids that will do it

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[hank1]

Apparently pay 3rds kids that will do it

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Working for your 3rds side, I suppose we will see in years to come whether that translates into senior success.
Either you are a liar or not over all that goes on at the club, or you have a 3rds kid thats a liar
And I wasn’t the one that broached the subject in the first place, so seems I am not the only one getting that information

 

[Mystery man101]

All well and good Mystery man, but how many ‘senior’ players would be happy to play a season of reserves football? And on top of that, with no guarantee that they will have a senior side next year.
Just * the points system off.

If they scrap the points system it’s the only thing holding clubs back from attempting to buy flags, we all know money goes under the table now. Let alone when there’s no points system

 

[hank1]

If they scrap the points system it’s the only thing holding clubs back from attempting to buy flags, we all know money goes under the table now. Let alone when there’s no points system

No points system allows your Longwoods, Underas, Tallygaroopnas etc to compete for finals and recruit without the headache of points. The strong sides, points or not are nearly always there. Nagambie, Lancaster, Shepp East, Stanhope, Murch. And this is in all leagues. Look at the sides in the 3 leagues around here who have dominated since the points. Nagambie - KDL, Nathalia - MFL. Ky & Echuca GV, have a quick look at their points in their premiership years, nearly all under 30 points.

 

[Restore]

Working for your 3rds side, I suppose we will see in years to come whether that translates into senior success.
Either you are a liar or not over all that goes on at the club, or you have a 3rds kid thats a liar
And I wasn’t the one that broached the subject in the first place, so seems I am not the only one getting that information

Probably won't help the seniors because they are all of to Uni but accuse me or one of my kids to be a liar is an insult my number is 0458559518 send me a message any time I don't hide

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[Restore]

Probably won't help the seniors because they are all of to Uni but accuse me or one of my kids to be a liar is an insult my number is 0458559518 send me a message any time I don't hide

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Sorry 0459995518

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[hank1]

Probably won't help the seniors because they are all of to Uni but accuse me or one of my kids to be a liar is an insult my number is 0458559518 send me a message any time I don't hide

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Nor do I Torns, nearly everyone on here knows us both. No need for the call, not the first team to pay a thirds kid if true.

 

[hank1]

No points system allows your Longwoods, Underas, Tallygaroopnas etc to compete for finals and recruit without the headache of points. The strong sides, points or not are nearly always there. Nagambie, Lancaster, Shepp East, Stanhope, Murch. And this is in all leagues. Look at the sides in the 3 leagues around here who have dominated since the points. Nagambie - KDL, Nathalia - MFL. Ky & Echuca GV, have a quick look at their points in their premiership years, nearly all under 30 points.

And just checked, Longwood, Undera & Tally have all been over 40 all season and have maxed out on their extra 45/46pts on more than one occasion, it has got them to be competitive in some eyes, but the truth of the matter is none of them will probably play finals unfortunately.

 

[Restore]

Not a chance I would let kids get paid one dad gives $20 for encouragement to the most determined but I shouldn't have to put this on here and I still won't be called a liar

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[Footymcfooty]

And just checked, Longwood, Undera & Tally have all been over 40 all season and have maxed out on their extra 45/46pts on more than one occasion, it has got them to be competitive in some eyes, but the truth of the matter is none of them will probably play finals unfortunately.

i agree Hank , anyone that thinks the points system levels the playing field is either a fool or associated with the clubs that are sitting up the top and having no issues !

 

[Post padding]

i agree Hank , anyone that thinks the points system levels the playing field is either a fool or associated with the clubs that are sitting up the top and having no issues !

One should look and see why they are sitting up the top.

Sometimes it’s just easier to blame

 

[hank1]

One should look and see why they are sitting up the top.

Sometimes it’s just easier to blame

Nagambie- largest town, close to Melbourne, should be winning a flag 3-4 times a decade.
Shepp East- located on the outskirts of a city with three underachieving major league clubs to pillage
Lancaster- 5 minutes from the best GV club of the past decade with players coming their way year after year.
Yes, these clubs still have to be run well, and some clubs are run better than others, but gee wizz, they have a fair headstart on the rest of the comp with their locations.
Looking from afar, I think it could be said that Longwood has been one of the best run clubs over the past few years, and what do they have to show for it? I could nearly guarantee, that without being hamstrung by the points system in that time, they would have, or been on the verge of playing finals by now.

 

[Post padding]

Nagambie- largest town, close to Melbourne, should be winning a flag 3-4 times a decade.
Shepp East- located on the outskirts of a city with three underachieving major league clubs to pillage
Lancaster- 5 minutes from the best GV club of the past decade with players coming their way year after year.
Yes, these clubs still have to be run well, and some clubs are run better than others, but gee wizz, they have a fair headstart on the rest of the comp with their locations.
Looking from afar, I think it could be said that Longwood has been one of the best run clubs over the past few years, and what do they have to show for it? I could nearly guarantee, that without being hamstrung by the points system in that time, they would have, or been on the verge of playing finals by now.

Probably backs up my point.
Lancaster can pick up Ky blokes. Why don’t the Roo’s and Merrigum have the same luck.
Same with Shepp East v Tally.
Why do some always attract them and others don’t

 

[onthehill24]

Probably backs up my point.
Lancaster can pick up Ky blokes. Why don’t the Roo’s and Merrigum have the same luck.
Same with Shepp East v Tally.
Why do some always attract them and others don’t

Coin

 

[smooth mover]

Probably backs up my point.
Lancaster can pick up Ky blokes. Why don’t the Roo’s and Merrigum have the same luck.
Same with Shepp East v Tally.
Why do some always attract them and others don’t

Here's my take Post,

Firstly East would probably have 8-10 blokes through the seniors & reserves that would also be 1 pointers at Tally & East due to the amount of game's they've played for both club's mainly when they where in different league's! Now they are competing against each other it's currently more appealing to be at East because they are in a better finals playing position. It's unfortunate but reality.

The fact that the points system is flatly based on where a player has played over the last 3yrs (I say 3 because if he has changed clubs in that time then that also affects their points value) & not any other outside contributing factors is out of touch.

My main point around the whole saga is trying to monitor & fulfil a points system that doesn't eqaute to any other factor's in a player's life is begging for disaster hence why it will NEVER create an even playing field.

As I had previously posted in here since the end of 2018 Tally has lost over 40 1 point player's (30 of those happened over the 2020 Covid affected season). Now there wasn't much Tally could do there until everything became clear again around country footy opening back up?

The point's system doesn't control a players personal circumstances & a player doesn't decide on personal life choices due to the points system! So my point being clubs are not entitled to any player, there's no certainty that player's will hang around due to many outside factor's (family, work, personal interests, injury, commitment, money from other clubs etc etc).

The fact that there are 4 league's just in the GV alone (3 affiliated, 1 not) all with different salary caps has an impact on league points also! Clubs start paying more for 2-3 point player's becuse that's all their points will allow them to recruit but they need them to stay competitive! It's tying club recruiters hands!

Here's a simple classic example, why is a player that goes from minor to major x amount of points, but if the EXACT same player is recruited from major to minor he now becomes more valuable & gains a point! Because their major league baby is more important then the minor!

I could sit here for hours having a discussion about various scenarios with the damage the points system is causing but as we all know it falls on deaf ears & no body cares!