L.Franklin or T. Cloke

[conodie05]

Who does he play for?

And Essendon supporters won't get it........................

 

[Brewski]

Are you on drugs?

 

[Nathan Q Brown]

Lance clearly the better player but here is a serious question:

How would they go if the role's were reversed. Buddy plays for Collingwood and Cloke plays for the Hawks?

First off, I am NOT suggesting the Buddy is only better because he plays for the Hawks, just curious. Buddy would not be getting 10 shots a game with our midfield supply, that's a given and he would probably be getting double teamed (a la Tarrant) every week. Would definentely still get 65+ goals for the year though. As for Cloke I'm guessing he would play further up the ground as that is his strong point. Most of the goalkicking would be going through Roughead with some cameo performances from Cloke.

this is a good question - exchange mid-fields and the gap closes substantially.

 

[tazhawk]

Collingwood fans should stop even trying to justify the crap in this thread.

Buddy by a county mile over Cloke.......... End of story.

Now Cloke V Roughead is a better comparison.

Also it's Roughead >>>>>>> Cloke.

Roughead has 69 goals compared to Clokes mid 30.

Cloke is a good footballer but if you watch him closely when he is put on a quality backman he really struggles.

Croad has torn him a new one the last few times they have played against each other.

 

[Nathan Q Brown]

Collingwood fans should stop even trying to justify the crap in this thread.

Buddy by a county mile over Cloke.......... End of story.

Now Cloke V Roughead is a better comparison.

Also it's Roughead >>>>>>> Cloke.

Roughead has 69 goals compared to Clokes mid 30.

Cloke is a good footballer but if you watch him closely when he is put on a quality backman he really struggles.

Croad has torn him a new one the last few times they have played against each other.

guess the only small thing Clokey has over them is that he has performed in finals

 

[tazhawk]

guess the only small thing Clokey has over them is that he has performed in finals

So you do not rate kicking 7 goals in a final as a good performance.

Buddy has played in two finals and has kicked 10 goals in those two games.

If Cloke was ever able to kick 10 goals in two finals you would have Collingwood fans proclaiming him as the next Coventry.

You should quit while you are behind.

 

[matey]

Lance clearly the better player but here is a serious question:

How would they go if the role's were reversed. Buddy plays for Collingwood and Cloke plays for the Hawks?

First off, I am NOT suggesting the Buddy is only better because he plays for the Hawks, just curious. Buddy would not be getting 10 shots a game with our midfield supply, that's a given and he would probably be getting double teamed (a la Tarrant) every week. Would definentely still get 65+ goals for the year though. As for Cloke I'm guessing he would play further up the ground as that is his strong point. Most of the goalkicking would be going through Roughead with some cameo performances from Cloke.

If's and but's all these different scenario's you could argue until the cows come home. The fact is Buddy is a freak and quality always shines through. Jason Dunstal in his later years still kicked a ton with a Hawthorn midfield/team on the decline and Fev has still kicked alot of goals in a crap Carlton team over the last few years. I am sure that Buddy would still be amazing in any side.

Listened to Leigh Mathews on the radio the other day and he said that Buddy was the best specimen of a player that he has EVER seen, the commentator said that's a big statement with all your experiences in football with the players you have played with, against and have seen and Lethal said, Well Yeah!

 

[Thommo 42]

Lance clearly the better player but here is a serious question:

How would they go if the role's were reversed. Buddy plays for Collingwood and Cloke plays for the Hawks?

First off, I am NOT suggesting the Buddy is only better because he plays for the Hawks, just curious. Buddy would not be getting 10 shots a game with our midfield supply, that's a given and he would probably be getting double teamed (a la Tarrant) every week. Would definentely still get 65+ goals for the year though. As for Cloke I'm guessing he would play further up the ground as that is his strong point. Most of the goalkicking would be going through Roughead with some cameo performances from Cloke.

I'm already clearly on record saying that this is a no contest and that Franklin is far superior - but this is a good question.

If Cloke went to the Hawks in place of buddy, I reckon he may actually kick about the same amount of goals as he does for us, as he would play exclusively CHF with Roughhead in the square. I reckon Roughy would probably kick 80+

Buddy at the Pies would still kick 70+ in my opinion, despite the abysmal service he would get. Which is twice what Cloke kicks - so the conclusion still remains that Buddy pretty much has Cloke comprehensively covered in all facets of the game - althouh they are both pretty average set shots!

 

[Lupton Warchild Pittman]

Then everyone will laugh at you as well, and perhaps this thread can sink to the murky depths once more.

The only laughing being done is at those who believe Hawthorn are a challenger to Geelong. Until I see Franklin tear up a Harley in a Big Final then he has nothing on Cloke, in the games that matter most, finals.

 

[Pancakes]

No doubt Franklin is a better player, but at least Cloke plays for his team, Buddy plays for himself.

 

[Magpie Marvel]

I think after tonight & last week's performance, a certain somebody has clearly edged in front.

 

[ahhhhhh]

No doubt Franklin is a better player, but at least Cloke plays for his team, Buddy plays for himself.

Completely wrong

I think after tonight & last week's performance, a certain somebody has clearly edged in front.

and just no...

 

[PottSie2]

I think after tonight & last week's performance, a certain somebody has clearly edged in front.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[jakson68]

Cloke is a very good player and one day maybe a star but lets face reality. Franklin is a freak, by the end of his career possibly the best ever. Big statement I know but he is a freak now and still has 10 to 12 years still in him.

 

[King Kieran]

Im getting a real kick out of these Collingwood supporters backing Cloke over Franklin. Cloke is the biggest thing to hit Collingwood since A Rocca!

 

[PendlePie]

Franklin is the better player, however most Pies supporters are just ecstatic that Cloke is beginning to evolve into a very good CHF - and at only a young age.

Why comparisons are needed is beyond me.

 

[Gouldy]

god damn it this thread is annoying. it is beyond me why it hasnt been locked yet. ppl saying that cloke is anywhere near franklin back then AND now are kidding themselves and so are the ppl that think cloke is a 'good' CHF, it's a joke, he has had a piss poor year this year with the exception of a few games. he is easily ur weakest link through the spine.

 

[BearGrills16]

I think after tonight & last week's performance, a certain somebody has clearly edged in front.

are u serious???? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Thommo 42]

god damn it this thread is annoying. it is beyond me why it hasnt been locked yet. ppl saying that cloke is anywhere near franklin back then AND now are kidding themselves and so are the ppl that think cloke is a 'good' CHF, it's a joke, he has had a piss poor year this year with the exception of a few games. he is easily ur weakest link through the spine.

you're as stupid as the people who think Cloke is as good as Franklin

 

[Pie in the Sky]

god damn it this thread is annoying. it is beyond me why it hasnt been locked yet. ppl saying that cloke is anywhere near franklin back then AND now are kidding themselves and so are the ppl that think cloke is a 'good' CHF, it's a joke, he has had a piss poor year this year with the exception of a few games. he is easily ur weakest link through the spine.

Rubbish. Of course Franklin is a long way ahead of Cloke, but Cloke is a very good player in his own right and anyone who thinks otherwise is as delusional as those saying that Cloke is better than Franklin.

 

[Mr Lizard]

Franklin is a long way ahead of Cloke, but Cloke is a very good player in his own right and anyone who thinks otherwise is as delusional as those saying that Cloke is better than Franklin.

Testify!

Now close the freakin' thread already.

 

[Brent24]

I don't think anyone in their right minds honestly believes Cloke is even close to Franklin.
Players like Franklin come around once every 20 years, he's a freak.
Cloke is still a very good young prospect in his own right. Will never reach the heights of Franklin, but could still be a premier forward by careers end.

 

[JohnD]

How would they go if the role's were reversed. Buddy plays for Collingwood and Cloke plays for the Hawks?

How would they go ?

Well, for starters, the nuff nuffs in this thread still trying to compare the two would have proclaimed the "Collingwood Franklin" as the greatest of all time.

Jeez, given they already seriously over-rate Cloke. What would they do with a genuine superstar in their ranks ?

 

[JohnD]

I don't think anyone in their right minds honestly believes Cloke is even close to Franklin.

I dunno Brent.

Read back a few pages, there's still plenty of Collingwood fans grasping at straws in the face of the bleedin' obvious.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

franklin. home grown and just oozes superstar. looking back wc should have done the hawthorn trade to secure franklin. shit happens.