Large bets triggering a review

[Reveen]

Topsport do review? They can be the slowest for mine.

TopSport bet reviews are excruciatingly slow but at least they spend the time to revise your stake to a reasonable amount unlike the peanuts you would be offered at any other book.

 

[FallingLiefs]

TopSport bet reviews are excruciatingly slow but at least they spend the time to revise your stake to a reasonable amount unlike the peanuts you would be offered at any other book.

Yeah they are good that way, It's not an automated change to the MBL or anything. Happy to take bets if it suits them.

After 4pm WA time it gets bad, probably just due to staffing in the east, quite noticeable then but its still not a deal breaker.

I find bets during peak periods are actually quite good.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

For niche markets like this if it's a good size bet their default position is that someone has inside info they don't, so they'll basically give you very little.

It's also likely they have now tagged your account for any political betting

Bookies need to be confident that they can lay off their position too, which at present would be difficult to do.

Independent for Kooyong is now into $2.35

 

[juss]

So my betting stakes are fairly big (for AFL for example I will try to bet anywhere from $2k - $5k for exotic markets like AGS, player disposals. And $5k - $10k on match results). Sometimes I'll go $10k+ on results in other sports.

What tends to happen with many bookies is that the large bet size will trigger a review, and following a review of the bet they will only accept $200 - $500, and then immediately drop the odds.

For example, TAB, NEDs/Lads will always review my exotic market bets and only accept $200 - $500. Then they'll only accept ~$3k for match results. Bet365 also sometimes review, but they're a bit more generous as they usually accept ~$2k for exotic markets. Pointsbet have limited me to around ~$50 per bet now. I haven't had a bet reviewed by Topsport yet.

Does anyone know if there is a way around placing a large bet without triggering a review from the bookie? Also which bookies other than Topsport don't review large bets?

IMO your first mistake is going to the corporates for match bets.
They are almost certain to ban any long term winning punter, and 100% certain to ban a winning punter if you're dropping $10k bets on them and getting the better of them.

IMO you have a few different but conceivable options that will help your situation.

1. Move your match betting purely to Betfair. Better odds, and you won't get banned by winning as Betfair just take commission from your wins.

2. Strategically "lose" sometimes as you spread across bookies. E.g. If you are have just taken $5k profit from NEDS, you might need to every now and then lose some money back to them on a hail mary bet that makes your account look less intelligent, e.g. put $2k on a 100-1 10 leg multi. It sounds dumb, but if you keep winning, you've got a one way ticket to bansville.

3. Spread the same bet across different bookies. E.g. rather than $4k with one bookie on an exotic, place 10x $400 bets across 10 bookies. That way you aren't just taking money from one.

 

[Jugada]

Blowing money on bets you know will lose in an attempt to look like a worse punter is ridiculously bad advice. You're not going to have an edge big enough to just be handing money back on losing bets and even if somehow you were able to have such a huge margin over the market you would be limited from it regardless of what you are doing elsewhere

 

[Punter88]

so after reading this thread it seems there is no way around it except betfair.

 

[54Dogs]

so after reading this thread it seems there is no way around it except betfair.

Due to poor liquidity this is generally not an option either unless betting late

 

[Rob45]

I am the first to rip on bookies, but the price they post isn't meant to be for an unlimited amount. And obviously the more obscure the market, the less they are willing to take on it. When you see a nice price for some obscure disposal market, you just have to recognise that you won't be able to get much on.

For the more obscure markets, I don't think it helps to have a losing account. I had a massively losing Sportsbet account years ago and a friend asked me to put $5k on a golf H2H for him in a small European tournament. They only took $100 having never restricted a bet of mine previously.

 

[EDFL follower]

Blowing money on bets you know will lose in an attempt to look like a worse punter is ridiculously bad advice. You're not going to have an edge big enough to just be handing money back on losing bets and even if somehow you were able to have such a huge margin over the market you would be limited from it regardless of what you are doing elsewhere

You should have lots of other bets on your accounts and lay those same bets on betfair. As long as most of the bets lose you will appear to be a losing punter to the bookies and thus keep your account open.

 

[Jugada]

You should have lots of other bets on your accounts and lay those same bets on betfair. As long as most of the bets lose you will appear to be a losing punter to the bookies and thus keep your account open.

You are not going to consistently find odds on a bookmaker that you can lay off on Betfair for no loss and even if by some ridiculous chance you could then you will be almost certainly consistently be beating the closing odds with said bookmaker and just as likely lose your account because of that

 

[54Dogs]

You should have lots of other bets on your accounts and lay those same bets on betfair. As long as most of the bets lose you will appear to be a losing punter to the bookies and thus keep your account open.

This is a bit simplistic. Bookies will limit and promo ban you based on your style of betting rather than being a winner / loser. They have a number of criteria that trigger you as a long term non-commercially viable customer. A few of the flags are

• Betting only on promo races
• Betting on obscure events such as 3rd division Belgian lacrosse
• Betting variable amounts (say $50 > $1000 range) rather than standard amounts
• Betting irregular amounts such as $142 on something, indicating arbing
• Betting on a wide range of events, most people stick to a few sports
• Always betting top odds, or consistently taking odds just before they shorten

Your standard mug punter bets pretty standard amounts, on the same group of sports, at average odds. If you are doing this you are fine but won't be able to profit by doing it, so it's counter intuitive.


or so I'm told........

 

[Hamingja]

• Betting irregular amounts such as $142 on something, indicating arbing

I just do this because I'm obsessive compulsive and want a round amount in my account

 

[IKnowtheDog]

This is a bit simplistic. Bookies will limit and promo ban you based on your style of betting rather than being a winner / loser. They have a number of criteria that trigger you as a long term non-commercially viable customer. A few of the flags are

• Betting only on promo races
• Betting on obscure events such as 3rd division Belgian lacrosse
• Betting variable amounts (say $50 > $1000 range) rather than standard amounts
• Betting irregular amounts such as $142 on something, indicating arbing
• Betting on a wide range of events, most people stick to a few sports
• Always betting top odds, or consistently taking odds just before they shorten

Your standard mug punter bets pretty standard amounts, on the same group of sports, at average odds. If you are doing this you are fine but won't be able to profit by doing it, so it's counter intuitive.


or so I'm told........

Apart from the last dot point what punter doesn't do all of those things.

 

[X_box_X]

DumBet.com once reviewed my account status after I placed a bet on one of their promo markets.

They were offering money back if your head to head bet on the 3rd division Belgian lacrosse league lead at HT and lost.

 

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This is a bit simplistic. Bookies will limit and promo ban you based on your style of betting rather than being a winner / loser. They have a number of criteria that trigger you as a long term non-commercially viable customer. A few of the flags are

• Betting only on promo races
• Betting on obscure events such as 3rd division Belgian lacrosse
• Betting variable amounts (say $50 > $1000 range) rather than standard amounts
• Betting irregular amounts such as $142 on something, indicating arbing
• Betting on a wide range of events, most people stick to a few sports
• Always betting top odds, or consistently taking odds just before they shorten

Your standard mug punter bets pretty standard amounts, on the same group of sports, at average odds. If you are doing this you are fine but won't be able to profit by doing it, so it's counter intuitive.


or so I'm told........

This is fairly close to the mark.

Betting on obscure events is heavily encouraged, as long as the bets appear to be random. Repeated systematic bets on obscure events, especially if larger than typical bet size will be flagged very quickly.

Betting variable amounts is fine, chasing is obviously encouraged by bookies. What may attract attention though is if your larger bets are regularly successful.

Betting irregular amounts is not too heavily scrutinised, as it's quite common for people to bet in amounts rounding their balance down to the nearest ten/hundred. Arbers are more likely to be picked up on price consciousness.

This one is the other way round. Betting on a wide range of events is extremely encouraged by the bookies, sharp punters tend to stick to only a few sports.

Showing price consciousness is generally the main thing that will get you flagged with bookies. The mentality of a sharp punter is "I'll only bet at odds of x and above" while the mug punter thinks "a win's a win".

One thing you haven't mentioned is single v multi bets. Sharp punters will typically favour single bets, while mugs will favour multis.

 

[3rd Grade Maggy]

I just do this because I'm obsessive compulsive and want a round amount in my account

And I thought I was the only one ....

 

[teamlenny]

One thing you haven't mentioned is single v multi bets. Sharp punters will typically favour single bets, while mugs will favour multis.

Sharp punters do use multis though which is a common misconception, there is a reason bookies are quick to disable them, its also a way to go under the radar longer when opening new accounts.

 

[FallingLiefs]

Sharp punters do use multis though which is a common misconception, there is a reason bookies are quick to disable them, its also a way to go under the radar longer when opening new accounts.

I must be extra sharp all my Multies are losers to trick them bookies.

 

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Sharp punters do use multis though which is a common misconception, there is a reason bookies are quick to disable them, its also a way to go under the radar longer when opening new accounts.

Common misconception is a slight overstatement. I didn't say sharp punters don't use them at all, I said that sharp punters will typically favour single bets. The reason multis get disabled is to limit liability to non-mug punters, the same thing they do with single bets. Multis are useful when you have more than one bet that is value, for getting around bet limits and for dummy bets/prolonging accounts.