Less than a month out , who's our XI for Brisbane

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shotgun_blues said:
Rogers will be an epic fail this summer, wait and see. Marsh gets in on talent alone if he is fit.

Hartley/Paine either/or. Haddin is passed it, he is not test standard. Give someone else a go.

Bailey - please FFS. The guy averaged 18 last year in first class cricket. Note - first class cricket. Not pyjama cricket which no-one gives a shit about the results with no pressure placed upon them.

Johnson - Like the girl with the little curl, been talking him up to my pom relatives for years. Can win the Ashes for us taking 40 wickets and scoring 400 runs. Or could get 1-100 and make ducks. We need to win it though, have to start with him. I want to see the Mitchell Johnson which broke Graham Smiths fingers then hit devastating 100's. He is top 5 on sheer talent no doubt.

The demise of first class cricket is almost complete. How sad! See the first class batting averages last year in domestic cricket? It's abysmal. This generation don't need to learn to bat and block good balls all day to make a good living from cricket and become stars. 20-20 ruined the passion and will in cricket. Unfortunately it is here to stay.
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And he averages just under 40 in quite a long first-class career.

Ever considered that he just had a bad season? It can happen you know.
 
sherb said:
And he averages just under 40 in quite a long first-class career.

Ever considered that he just had a bad season? It can happen you know.
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If you can't average high 30's in FC cricket then their is something wrong, it's not like he's averaging 50. Every batsmen that is in contention have a pretty similar average, that's why I think we should just pick whoever is in the best FC form.
 
bird_man said:
If you can't average high 30's in FC cricket then their is something wrong, it's not like he's averaging 50. Every batsmen that is in contention have a pretty similar average, that's why I think we should just pick whoever is in the best FC form.
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Bear in mind he's also playing on the most bowler friendly wicket in the country half the time. a high 30's average there is probably a mid 40's average somewhere else
 

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eth-dog said:
Bear in mind he's also playing on the most bowler friendly wicket in the country half the time. a high 30's average there is probably a mid 40's average somewhere else
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You are being kind.

It's been a bloody goat track more often than not in recent times.
 
bird_man said:
It's a sad time for Australian cricket when the two most talked about batsmen for the open batting spot haven't made any impact on FC cricket for a long time. I can't believe you want both of them in. And Bailey over Smith is an unbelievable call, why would you drop Smith? Dropping a guy that has just scored a test hundred? Strange.
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I don't think it's unreasonable to add in Bailey and Marsh. I've got nothing against Smith, but I don't he's the right choice. Our central issue is batting collapses, and there's a chance that guys like Bailey and Haddin may be able to hold the fort and put on some slow runs in tough circumstances. I just can't see Smith playing the role guys like Du Plessis play so well; however Smith could possibly play in the side higher up the order, taking either Warner, Marsh or Roger's spot if they fail to hit the score board.
 
This is what I think it should be:

Rogers
Warner
Watson
Clarke
Smith
Bailey
Haddin/Wade/Paine (I know Haddin will though.)
Faulkner
Johnson (Still not sold on him but at the Gabba could work!)
Siddle
Harris

12th Man - Lyon

Don't think we should worry about a spinner to be honest, not sure how threatening Lyon could be in Brisbane anyway so why not go with the strength. If need be back Smith in with the pill if we need any relief.

As for the argument about batting averages, I think we have to take into account conditions that these guys play in. Whether you want to admit it or not, there are some places around the country that are much more bowler friendly than others. In Bailey's case I think averaging around the 40 mark (not sure on specific figures) on sometimes very seam friendly decks down in Tassie compared to batting on a road in Adelaide gets lost in translation sometimes. Not saying that he is the saviour or that he is an automatic walk up undisputed, but you only have to look at his record in ODI cricket for us at International level in various conditions to understand he has what it takes to hold down the 6 spot in our side.
 
4 seamers + Watson? Nah. Lyon has to play, even having him to tie down one end
 
GenuineMatchWinner said:
That's all well and good in theory, but do you really think England will just sit on him and let him tie them down, not a chance! I'm not terribly against it but see more upside from the seamer approach.
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How? You have 5 seamers in the side. One, maybe two will be under bowled. Lyon provides a point of difference. Harris as the new ball strike weapon, Siddle as the reverse swing strike weapon, Faulkner the leftie and Watson as a change up along with Lyon as a change of pace
 
eth-dog said:
How? You have 5 seamers in the side. One, maybe two will be under bowled. Lyon provides a point of difference. Harris as the new ball strike weapon, Siddle as the reverse swing strike weapon, Faulkner the leftie and Watson as a change up along with Lyon as a change of pace
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It's down to interpretation and opinion, if anything Faulkner misses and Lyon takes his place. Yeah 5 seamers when looked at on face value seems excessive, but each is different and provided they are utilized correctly I still think this setup could work. (only suggesting it as a thought, only would be contemplating this setup at Brisbane or Perth if at all!)
I think Harris & Siddle's roles speak for themselves
Johnson to really let them go and shake up Trott, Pietersen, Bell & whoever gets that 6 spot for England.
Watson as a change up and strangling bowler to not let them off the leash
That brings us to Faulkner who with his ability to shape the ball and his changes up and down of pace could be beneficial with the older ball.
Also with his inclusion it lengthens the batting that little bit more which has to be seen as a slight bonus.
As i said was just an opinion and a lot has to go right for this plan to work. Would be more than happy for Lyon to prove me wrong and come out and bowl really well and do a job, I just still feel uneasy about our wicket taking ability through those middle overs and I think we need to be really positive and pro-active in our approach. What the best option is, time will tell.

As for the slow over rate snicker, I really don't understand how test cricket can only get through 12-15 overs per hour (sometimes even less!!!), it is a joke and should not even need to come into consideration when selecting a side! Surely test captains have come up with this concept, called forward thinking! Last time I checked winning the test match by picking the correct setup should be first priority!!!
 
Don't understand this negativity surrounding Mitchell Johnson. He is that X factor that could win us the Ashes. In fact, I'll go as far as saying he is the best bowler (maybe equal with Steyn) in the world when he is on song. I'll never forget that 8-61 against South Africa. In during that time he was scoring big time as well, he got that 100 against South Africa in the return series. He seems in good form, and could really trouble some English batsman.
 

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Ashton Agar said:
Don't understand this negativity surrounding Mitchell Johnson. He is that X factor that could win us the Ashes. In fact, I'll go as far as saying he is the best bowler (maybe equal with Steyn) in the world when he is on song. I'll never forget that 8-61 against South Africa. In during that time he was scoring big time as well, he got that 100 against South Africa in the return series. He seems in good form, and could really trouble some English batsman.
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He's nowhere near the best bowler in the world. He's not even the best bowler in the country. Hell, he'd be lucky to make the top 5
 
eth-dog said:
He's nowhere near the best bowler in the world. He's not even the best bowler in the country. Hell, he'd be lucky to make the top 5
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But is he in our best current XI?

You and I have gone through this before but I'd take him over Faulkner any day.

Or Coulter-Nile, Cutting, Hazlewood etc.
 
eth-dog said:
He's nowhere near the best bowler in the world. He's not even the best bowler in the country. Hell, he'd be lucky to make the top 5
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When he is at his best, he is unfaceable. South Africa (Smith, McKenzie, Amla, Kallis, de Villiers, Duminy, Boucher) couldn't negotiate his bowling. I think it included a spell of 5-2, am I right?

Ok, maybe best bowler in the world is a bit far fetched, he can bowled absolute crap sometimes, but boy when he is on, almost all batsman would want to be at the non-strikers.
 
The Reaper said:
But is he in our best current XI?

You and I have gone through this before but I'd take him over Faulkner any day.

Or Coulter-Nile, Cutting, Hazlewood etc.
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I agree about him being in the top 5 when he is on song............... But I think Eth is referring to blokes like Siddle, Harris, Starc, Pattinson, Bird etc.
 
The Reaper said:
But is he in our best current XI?

You and I have gone through this before but I'd take him over Faulkner any day.

Or Coulter-Nile, Cutting, Hazlewood etc.
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Nope. With him, Siddle and Harris all in the one side we have 1 bowler who can take the new pill.
Ashton Agar said:
When he is at his best, he is unfaceable. South Africa (Smith, McKenzie, Amla, Kallis, de Villiers, Duminy, Boucher) couldn't negotiate his bowling. I think it included a spell of 5-2, am I right?

Ok, maybe best bowler in the world is a bit far fetched, he can bowled absolute crap sometimes, but boy when he is on, almost all batsman would want to be at the non-strikers.
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He plays well in Perth, and bowls pies everywhere else. That's how I explain it
 
Ashton Agar said:
I agree about him being in the top 5 when he is on song............... But I think Eth is referring to blokes like Siddle, Harris, Starc, Pattinson, Bird etc.
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Starc, Pattinson and Bird aren't fit. They're irrelevant to test selection in Brisbane. Siddle and Harris will be selected if fit so they're irrelevant in choosing the third paceman

The only question about Johnson now is whether or not he is our best chocie as third paceman and his opposition in this is Faulkner, Coulter-Nile, Cutting, Bollinger, Hilfenhaus etc.
 
The Reaper said:
Starc, Pattinson and Bird aren't fit. They're irrelevant to test selection in Brisbane. Siddle and Harris will be selected if fit so they're irrelevant in choosing the third paceman

The only question about Johnson now is whether or not he is our best chocie as third paceman and his opposition in this is Faulkner, Coulter-Nile, Cutting, Bollinger, Hilfenhaus etc.
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Yeah, but he was referring to bowlers in Australia, available or not. :p
 
thorne89 said:
Would love to hear your reasoning behind this, is one of the most solid batsmen in the country. Not an 'epic fail' type.
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He was in pretty good form in County cricket, a hundred and a couple of 50's in the last 3 games. He will be hungry to stay in as long as he can, I think he'll have a good series. Not sure why anyone would think he will be an "epic fail"? He's been in fantastic form the last 12 months.
 
Pretty sure it will take some (more than one) MASSIVE scores for Inverarity to change his mind now.

Rogers
Warner
Watson
Clarke
Smith
Bailey
Haddin
Johnson
Harris
Siddle
Lyon

Will be the line up for the GABBA. By the time the 3rd test begins all 5 or 6 of the Shield games will be played and anyone of Marsh/Khawaja/Hughes/Voges/Klinger/White/Cosgrove etc would have had ample opportunity to smash down the door into the test side for Perth/Melb/Syd if one of Warner/Rogers/Bailey fails like so many here seem to be convinced will happen... I hope not. A solid top 6 for 5 straight tests will go a long way to finally winning the Ashes back.
 

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