Speculation Liam Baker

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Morro said:
Funny way to spell soft ;)
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Far from that. got his head taken off in a match against your mob last year putting himself on the line.
Morro said:
You've upset me now.
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Obeanie1 said:
Wrong.

Even when he was younger and in better form he isnt a top 6 player in any team. Was he top 6 in the Tigers flag years? No.

Thats the point. Not then and certainly not now.

In the form he currently is in he isnt top 15 and is borderline getting dropped, that is how poor his recent is from the last few games.

Feel free to name any team Baker is a top 6 player in. ANY. And the rest of us will name a mInimum of six players ahead of him.

At the Eagles its Allen, McGovern, Barrass, Yeo, Reid and Waterman. That doesnt even include Duggan, Ryan, Cripps and Kelly. Thats 10.

You and your mates here are totally overrating Baker.
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We're you getting your theory he has to be in the top 6 player in any team to get a good pick thats flawed theory. Baker would walk in every side in the competition regardless top 6 or not.
 
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Obeanie1 said:
Never a waste of time engaging and learning from other peoples perspectives.

Feel free to name a club where Baker would sit in the top 6 players.

No wishy washy BS comments. Put up an arguement. Not a baseless fan opinion.

Im guessing you wont because you know the more detailed the discussion gets the less logical you sound.
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Your putting a argument lol based on 2 games that's baseless. Go to any recruitment team in the competition and ask them how the process is. They watch a player over seasons and alot of games I think you need to cut the bs talk.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Wrong.

Even when he was younger and in better form he isnt a top 6 player in any team. Was he top 6 in the Tigers flag years? No.

Thats the point. Not then and certainly not now.

In the form he currently is in he isnt top 15 and is borderline getting dropped, that is how poor his recent is from the last few games.

Feel free to name any team Baker is a top 6 player in. ANY. And the rest of us will name a mInimum of six players ahead of him.

At the Eagles its Allen, McGovern, Barrass, Yeo, Reid and Waterman. That doesnt even include Duggan, Ryan, Cripps and Kelly. Thats 10.

You and your mates here are totally overrating Baker.
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If McGovern, Barrass, Yeo, Reid , Waterman, Duggan, Ryan, Cripps and Kelly were playing at any high level, you wouldnt be bottom 3 in the last 3yrs and your coach wouldnt be sacked. Please over the last 3 years Baker has played better than all these guys, he has turned games by playing mid/scoring goals & he is the leader you dont have !!
 
Why would serong and Brayshaw want to meet up with a short ass thats 27 and wont even make any difference to freo
they must be mad ....................... and to pay him so much cash

Cant wait for this bloke to become the next champion after he gets traded
 
tiger_tough said:
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Stylo said:
Baker might not be "top 6 player" but IMO it's partly because he's a jack of all trades, a utility which is a valuable thing in itself, but doesn't elevate him clearly above others who are more specialised.

But anyway list managers don't give a crap about how football pundits power rank players against eachother on internet forums... list managers care about bringing in players that enhance their list by filling a skill/leadership gap, complementing the existing list and making others better around them. Baker brings those qualities to any side.

I hope we keep him personally.
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Fair. :thumbsu:
 
db26 said:
Your putting a argument lol based on 2 games that's baseless. Go to any recruitment team in the competition and ask them how the process is. They watch a player over seasons and alot of games I think you need to cut the bs talk.
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Wrong. And its very easy to prove you are wrong.

His last two games have nothing to do with my ratings on Baker. Nothing.

Ive been consistantly saying the same thing for months. Not just the last two weeks.

So how does his poor form from the last two weeks change my veiw from two months ago? It cant, time doesnt work that way my friend.

We have all watched Baker over the years. He is a solid role player who has a big game now and again but he isnt the cornerstone of any clubs rebuild. He is a nice player to have without using valuable draft picks. Or splitting draft picks that land potential generational talent.

Been saying the same thing for months.

So I will ask you to stop the BS here.;):thumbsu:
 
jthanos said:
If McGovern, Barrass, Yeo, Reid , Waterman, Duggan, Ryan, Cripps and Kelly were playing at any high level, you wouldnt be bottom 3 in the last 3yrs and your coach wouldnt be sacked. Please over the last 3 years Baker has played better than all these guys, he has turned games by playing mid/scoring goals & he is the leader you dont have !!
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Lol. Ok.

McGovern isnt much of a leader? He just drove from Melbourne to Perth with a punctured lung to get back and support the coach, players and club. He played in a GF with fractured ribs and started the winning play in the final minutes. No leadership qualities there?

Waterman just had 16 stitches to the back of his knee from studs raking him. Came back on and played out that game. Needed to be restitched. Mid week. Has played the next two games not at 100%. No leadership qualities there?

Reid in his 1st season. Not sure how he could have helped 3 seasons ago?

Sacking the coach 12 months ago would have cost over $5 million in soft cap tax and the preferred replacement wasnt available. Instead of doing what the media and external nuffies wanted the club held off for 12 months. That is leadership.

Any other silly comments?
 
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Freomaniac said:
If Liam Baker was on his 8th season, what would be the compo pick? Band 1 which is essentially a top 5 pick or band 2 which is around early 2nd which is pick 21 or 22?
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Depends on the money and term being offered, the word is 5 years which is believable, the $$$, who knows. The only mention of money that carried any weight (IMO) was when Cotch suggested it was crazy money being offered out of the West. No mention of who, or what crazy money is.
 
Liam Baker’s football future lies in the hands of West Coast’s big draft call.
To split, or not to split.

Whether to take the best possible player with the earliest available pick (draft selection three), or to turn that selection into two later first-round selections to help secure the Baker trade.

It is an intriguing scenario complicated by the extraordinary evenness of the top-10 picks, by the club’s own recent draft history and by Baker’s keenness to find himself in Eagles colours.

With six home-and-away games left in Richmond’s season this much is clear.

If he does leave – and Western Australian-based clubs believe he will – then he does not want to see Richmond screwed over in any trade deal. He has made that clear to his WA pursuers.

So no pre-season draft shenanigans, no ambit claims to get him for a late second-rounder, just a quality pick going back in return for the Richmond vice-captain.

And while the Herald Sun has reported the former Eagles fan would like to get to West Coast, the Dockers believe they are in the race – and are a much better fit.

They would offer a five-year deal for Baker, who will turn 27 in January, and are desperate for more half-forward class to help hit-up Jye Amiss and Josh Treacy with those hard leads from the square. And with picks seven, 10 and 14, the Dockers are perfectly placed to hand over an elite pick.

West Coast will need to study the history of pick-splits and their own recent draft history to assess whether giving up a top-three pick is worth it, given their own premiership window seems so far off.

Last year, whether through total devotion to Harley Reid or just indecision about trading that pick, the Eagles took the best player in the draft. He seems a generational talent.

In the 2022 national draft, they passed-up pick 2 and Willie Rioli for two later selections (and a future second and third-round draft pick).

Those players were locals Reuben Ginbey and Elijah Hewett.


The No. 2 pick became Harry Sheezel who, quite simply, is a breathtaking talent.

The Eagles were worried about the flight risk, but this year Ginbey has regressed – by Champion Data rankings at least: below-average for disposals, contested possessions, clearances and metres-gained, and poor for scoreboard impact.

He is ranked 61st of the 75 midfielders to play eight or more games this year.

Hewett’s season has been a wipe-out through injury.

For a West Coast side with very few star prospects aged under 25, is taking 27-year-old Baker and a much later draft pick the way forward?

Fremantle will be desperately hoping the answer is no.

The history of pick swaps is mixed. Paul Roos still backs in the exchange that saw the Demons give up pick 2 (Josh Kelly) for pick 9 (Christian Salem) and Dom Tyson (and a later pick that secured Jayden Hunt), even though most of us would say the Giants won that day.

The Roos turned the No. 1 overall pick and the troublesome Jason Horne-Francis into Sheezel, George Wardlaw and a future Port Adelaide first-rounder that became project tall, Taylor Goad. Plenty of us wondered if they could have got more from that trade when it happened, but now every Roos fan would feel they won on that score.

St Kilda traded out pick 6 in the 2019 national draft to secure selections for Dougal Howard and Bradley Hill, missing on players including Hayden Young, Caleb Serong, Kysaiah Pickett, Will Day, Miles Bergman, Cody Weightman and Sam De Koning.

Gold Coast traded pick 2 for Lachie Weller and a late pick in 2017, but got Charlie Ballard with that pick.

And in 2016, the Dockers traded from three down to the Giants’ pick seven to get the late Cam McCarthy in a trade, but pick 3 became Hugh McCluggage to their selection (Griffin Logue).

In recent years, Melbourne traded up three spots to secure Clayton Oliver and the Giants traded up to take Lachie Ash.

So in theory, trading down from a very early pick is fraught with danger, but this year’s draft is a crapshoot.

The likely No. 1 pick entering the U18 championships, Josh Smillie had a quiet carnival.

There are a stack of elite mids (Smillie, Jagga Smith, Levi Ashcroft, Finn O’Sullivan, Sid Draper, Harvey Langford) a dashing intercept halfback (Toby Travaglia), a 194cm key position interceptor (Luke Trainor), and even a WA mid on the rise in 191cm Bo Allan.

Eagles co-captain Oscar Allan is 25 – with 27 current Eagles younger than him – but only Reid standing out as a matchwinner, while the club has hopes for Campbell Chesser, Rhett Bazzo, Ginbey and Hewett.

But on the AFL’s relative ratings, which compare a player’s expected output by age and position, Reid is up 44 per cent on expected return, Ginbey is down one per cent. Then Ryan Maric is down 37 per cent, Chesser 25 per cent, Jack Williams 19 per cent, Brady Hough 26 per cent, Luke Edwards 54 per cent, Tyler Brockman 30 per cent, Jack Petrucelle 27 per cent.

So the Eagles badly need star power, which is most-readily available in the top few picks.

They also know that – in an improving team – Baker can do what he has at Richmond: fill holes, play some midfield and shore up areas of concern.

The problem is whether securing him will see them missing out on another Harry Sheezel.

Or in a deep draft, will it allow them to snare Baker and take the player they wanted all along, Bo Allan?
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Jen2310 said:
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If he does leave – and Western Australian-based clubs believe he will – then he does not want to see Richmond screwed over in any trade deal. He has made that clear to his WA pursuers.

So no pre-season draft shenanigans, no ambit claims to get him for a late second-rounder, just a quality pick going back in return for the Richmond vice-captain.

And while the Herald Sun has reported the former Eagles fan would like to get to West Coast, the Dockers believe they are in the race – and are a much better fit.

They would offer a five-year deal for Baker, who will turn 27 in January, and are desperate for more half-forward class to help hit-up Jye Amiss and Josh Treacy with those hard leads from the square. And with picks seven, 10 and 14, the Dockers are perfectly placed to hand over an elite pick.

Everything will work out, as I have predicted months ago
 
blaisee said:
If he does leave – and Western Australian-based clubs believe he will – then he does not want to see Richmond screwed over in any trade deal. He has made that clear to his WA pursuers.

So no pre-season draft shenanigans, no ambit claims to get him for a late second-rounder, just a quality pick going back in return for the Richmond vice-captain.

And while the Herald Sun has reported the former Eagles fan would like to get to West Coast, the Dockers believe they are in the race – and are a much better fit.

They would offer a five-year deal for Baker, who will turn 27 in January, and are desperate for more half-forward class to help hit-up Jye Amiss and Josh Treacy with those hard leads from the square. And with picks seven, 10 and 14, the Dockers are perfectly placed to hand over an elite pick.

Everything will work out, as I have predicted months ago
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Interesting the WC fans in particular who came after me after I told them he had made exactly the request as per the article.
 
Will be keeping my fingers crossed he wear purple if he comes home.

Don’t wont him at West Coast, will cost to much in draft capital.
Would not be a wise use of a decent pick.
 

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