Vic Lidia Thorpe: Not the subject for every thread!

[Gethelred]

Seeing as Lidia discussion is cropping up across multiple threads, let's have us a thread for people who want to discuss her contribution to Australian politics.

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[Sphynx]

Nobody should be subjected to the kind of harassment that she received in her place of work.

Thanks captain obvious.

She's made claims of sexual assault, not limited to "aggressive propositioning", inappropriate touching and what basically amounts to stalking.

These are serious accusations.

If her accusations are true, Van shouldn't last to the end of the day.


Alternatively, if she's made this up, or even just exaggerated it, she's just said to Lisa Wilkinson "hold my beer" and torpedoed the Voice vote at the same time.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Yep, no problems.

We need to get to the bottom of her determinisation of "inappropriate touching" though.

The fact she has to qualify it with "to me it was sexual assault" insinuates to others who have heard these accusations, it wasn't.

Van has stated the only time he touched her was when he shook her hand. He's admitted that the complaints were surrounding accusations of him following her into the chambers.

Again, I will believe her when someone presents all the evidence to me.

She has too big of a history of fabricating outlandish accusations for her own headlines and political gain.

As I said, either Van or Thorpe need to be run out of Parliament. One of them is lying.

So you believe the known liars at Newscorp, on what they write about Lidia?

 

[Sphynx]

So you believe the known liars at Newscorp, about what they write about Lidia?

No, I'm taking the logical approach in this political climate.

I'm not believing anyone yet.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

No, I'm taking the logical approach in this political climate.

I'm not believing anyone yet.

You said she had a history of fabricating accusations. Who told you that?

 

[HairyO]

She's giving a statement today. Maybe we should wait and see what she says before rushing to judgement.

She is saying she feels unsafe because sometimes unnamed men corner her in stairwells. Then puts on some fake tears.

Seems a fair way from "Van sexually assaulted me"... dont you think?

I assume you lot are going to accept everything she has said as true, despite her not naming anyone - which she is free to do as long as she can prove it. She also said she isnt going to make any police complaints.

She needs to be sanctioned by the Senate.

 

[Gethelred]

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe says she was racially profiled by Virgin Australia staff at Canberra Airport - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

Accused Virgin Airlines of racially profiling her.

Lidia Thorpe to lodge racism claim against Greens party with Human Rights Commission | Lidia Thorpe | The Guardian

Independent senator also foreshadowed abstaining from Senate vote on Indigenous voice referendum in interview with ABC

amp.theguardian.com

Lidia Thorpe to lodge racism claim against Greens party with Human Rights Commission

Mardi Gras 2023: Premier calls senator Thorpe 'a disgrace' after temporarily halting Madi Gras parade

Premier calls senator Lidia Thorpe ‘a disgrace’ after temporarily halting Mardi Gras parade

Lidia Thorpe banned from Melbourne strip club for life after 3am fracas

A Brunswick strip club has banned the independent senator after she was filmed yelling profanities at a group of men outside the venue on Sunday.

amp.theage.com.au

Independent senator Lidia Thorpe has been banned for life from a strip club in Melbourne’s inner north after she was filmed yelling profanities at a group of men outside the venue in the early hours of Sunday morning.

Leaked email reveals Greens staffer ‘scared and in shock’ after Lidia Thorpe’s ‘truly awful’ outburst

In the email, the senator’s former chief of staff apologised to Aboriginal elders for a meeting in June 2021, describing Thorpe’s conduct as “appalling”.

amp.smh.com.au

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe’s former chief of staff says he was scared and appalled by her outburst in a meeting with two Indigenous community leaders at Parliament House last year, describing her behaviour among the most unprofessional conduct he has ever witnessed.

Thorpe to face probe over relationship with ex-bikie boss

The Greens senator said she would refer herself to the privileges committee over links with an ex-Rebels bikie gang president.

www.afr.com

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe faces a parliamentary review over her secret relationship with the former president of a motorcycle gang and has promised to co-operate with an inquiry.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/lidia-thorpe-has-accused-the-greens-of-bullying-and-the-lnp-and-alp-of-sexual-assault/news-story/37a6f0def013d1ee426348ddf027952c?amp

Lidia Thorpe has accused the Greens of bullying and the LNP and ALP of sexual assault

Not exactly the resume of a stable and honest person. I don't know if you have ever dealt with any of these BPD types in real life but unfortunately they don't like it when they don't get to feel like the biggest victim in the room.

FK, do we know as fact that Lidia Thorpe has Bipolar disorder?

And if we don't, do you really want to assume it?

 

[Donakebab]

Peter Dutton has announced David Van will no longer sit in the Liberal party room following additional allegations being raised with him overnight.

But of course Lidia Thorpe is just a liar...

 

[Gethelred]

Who is saying that?

If you're not saying it, you're certainly insinuating it.

 

[Sphynx]

Peter Dutton has announced David Van will no longer sit in the Liberal party room following additional allegations being raised with him overnight.

But of course Lidia Thorpe is just a liar...

Context is important.

"At the outset, I want to make clear, very clear that I'm not making any judgement on the veracity of the allegations or any individual's guilt or innocence. I make that very clear."

 

[Sphynx]

If you're not saying it, you're certainly insinuating it.

That sexual assault is rape?

Erm no.

 

[Stottzy]

Lidia Thorpe - KABOOM !!!

Senator removed from party room – as it happened

This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

When you need to explain to someone "what are crocodile tears?", just show them this video.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

When you need to explain to someone "what are crocodile tears?", just show them this video.

Lol.



When even Dutton is cutting you lose you might be done.

 

[Sphynx]

Van -

"Let me say this in the clearest possible terms, Senator Thorpe’s allegations are concocted from beginning to end. Nothing she has alleged against me is truthful.

I have acknowledged publicly that I moved offices after an allegation from Senator Thorpe that I made her feel uncomfortable. That was what was put to me. An allegation that I denied then and I deny today. I agreed to move offices to ensure the avoidance of this. No incident was alleged to her. And agreed to protect myself against her irrational concerns and ensure the effective and smooth running of the parliament. I do not wish this matter to stay in the Liberal party that I have fought so hard for, so I accept that I will no longer be sitting in the party room.

There should be and must be an investigation into these outrageous claims so that they can be proved to be false. I will fully cooperate with the investigators and answer any questions that they may have of me and Senator Thorpe should do the same."


Dutton -

"Obviously, there’s an independent process with the DPS, the parliamentary workplace support service, to get under way on my instruction.

My office last night and again today spoke with the PWSS, and they will conduct their considerations of these matters."

 

[Donakebab]

Context is important.

"At the outset, I want to make clear, very clear that I'm not making any judgement on the veracity of the allegations or any individual's guilt or innocence. I make that very clear."

If you can't read between the lines then there is no hope for you.

 

[Not Important]

gotta say i do feel uncomfortable at personal slurs of this nature being spread under the protection of parliamentary privilege.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

She is saying she feels unsafe because sometimes unnamed men corner her in stairwells. Then puts on some fake tears.

Seems a fair way from "Van sexually assaulted me"... dont you think?

She also said she had been on the receiving end of inappropriate touching. Did you just not hear that part, or are you deliberately leaving it out because you dislike her?

How can you be sure the tears are fake?

I assume you lot are going to accept everything she has said as true

Whereas you seem to have decided already that everything she says is false.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

gotta say i do feel uncomfortable at personal slurs of this nature being spread under the protection of parliamentary privilege.

Nah. Parliamentarian on parliamentarian violence is fine. Have an issue if a parliamentarian uses it too attack someone outside of parliament who can’t respond

 

[Sphynx]

If you can't read between the lines then there is no hope for you.

That a politician is stood down pending a historical sexual assault claim inside the halls of PH, against another sitting member of the senate?

Yeah, I think I'll wait before making any determinations of guilt.

 

[Sphynx]

She also said she had been on the receiving end of inappropriate touching. Did you just not hear that part, or are you deliberately leaving it out because you dislike her?

How can you be sure the tears are fake?


Whereas you seem to have decided already that everything she says is false.

And Stalking.

And Proposition.


Some serious accusations.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Yeah, I think I'll wait before making any determinations of guilt.

Gee whiz, didn't you already determine an hour ago that Thorpe is lying?

 

[Gralin]

Further allegations you say

 

[Happy Mastenator]

That a politician is stood down pending a historical sexual assault claim inside the halls of PH, against another sitting member of the senate?

Yeah, I think I'll wait before making any determinations of guilt.

What about how a bunch of people apparently went and told Dutton that he’s a creepy ****er who has been harassing people in parliament?

 

[Dirty_banchez]

What is going on in Canberra? This sordid affair needs an independent, transparent investigation.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

I know people on here love to make judgements about what happened to other people when they weren't there

but

you don't get to decide how someone else feels about something

what she said was different people have different undestandings of what sexual assault is, she then gave examples of what happened to her



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said she considered it sexual assault, which the definition agrees with btw

so what are you really arguing?

More questions need to be asked or brought to light if they already have been.

What does she mean by she "was followed"? What were the circumstances at the time?
How was she "aggresively propositioned"? What was said exactly? Does she have any witnesses?
How was she "inappropriately touched"? Are there any witnesses?

What she "feels" doesn't necessarily mean an offense has been committed by law.

 

[kalex6251]

lurch advised of 'further allegations' re vans behaviour overnight and this morning - are these limited to events that led to vans office change ...... or are there other allegations now in play

and what was van saying in relation to 'the lawyer' at the end his his senate explanation?