Vic Lidia Thorpe: Not the subject for every thread!

[Gethelred]

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[FireKrakouer]

So, which of these did she lie about?

This is just stuff she's done. To be honest, this might be the type of behaviour one might expect from a victim of an assault. Or it might just be lots of grandstanding. But it doesn't show a history of lying.

That she felt racially profiled?

It's like the old saying m8, "if you think everyone around you is the problem, it is probably you who is the problem". Like hypothetically if you lived on a street and thought one of your neighbours was an a-hole and the rest of the street agreed with you, then sure that person is probably an a-hole. But if you live on that street and think everyone else who lives on it is an a-hole, then it is probably you who is the problem.

Similarly, if you can't catch a flight, attend Mardi Gras, or visit a strip club without completely karen-ing out, then maybe it isn't everyone else being toxic and you should look within.

Glad to help.

Yet you would take a bullet for Trump

No need to fabricate some whataboutism when you don't have an argument. No shame in just bowing out!

 

[Dirty_banchez]

The claims need to be investigated. It is a ****ing mess of a situation.

 

[Sphynx]

Well, Lidia is certainly going to test the theory stated a few thousand times in the Higgins thread that woman never make up these types of accusations.

If Lidia makes the accusation outside of Parliamentary privilege, I will start taking it seriously.

Until then, it's akin to a keyboard warrior on twitter.

 

[Gough]

Full statement.

 

[Sphynx]

There's a massive difference between "made me feel unsafe" and an accusation of sexual assault. She doesn't get to define it either.

Anyway, here's to the next few hundred pages....

Regardless of whether she wants to take this further with the police, there now needs to be an inquiry as to the truth of it. Especially as to which of the two has just lied to the public about acts within Parliament house in the last few hours. One of the two's political career needs to end immediately.

I'm interested in the response to the following. "To me that was sexual assault. And the government at the time recognised it as such."

Also, interestingly, she never named Van in that statement, advice from her lawyer I'd suggest.

 

[Sun Ra]

Lidia Thorpe - KABOOM !!!

Senator removed from party room – as it happened

This blog is now closed.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I for one can’t believe that a senator who makes growling noises when female senators speak may have assaulted someone.

 

[Sphynx]

I for one can’t believe that a senator who makes growling noises when female senators speak may have assaulted someone.

I for one can't believe that a Senator who has continually been proven as a blatant liar and has labelled people racists with no proof, claimed she has been assaulted (on camera) by members of the public, police etc by merely brushing arms with her would make up an assault claim (which she's already trying to redefine...)

I for one can't really believe a Senator who went toe to toe outside a strip club with 8 white males not a month ago, has assaulted Police in protests, is essentially the most notorious attack dog in federal politics at the minute felt so intimidated by a stairwell encounter with David Van that she needed to be escorted around the building?


Girl of cried wolf applies to Lidia from my perspective.

 

[Saint]

There's a massive difference between "made me feel unsafe" and an accusation of sexual assault. She doesn't get to define it either.

Anyway, here's to the next few hundred pages....

Regardless of whether she wants to take this further with the police, there now needs to be an inquiry as to the truth of it. Especially as to which of the two has just lied to the public about acts within Parliament house in the last few hours. One of the two's political career needs to end immediately.

I'm interested in the response to the following. "To me that was sexual assault. And the government at the time recognised it as such."

Also, interestingly, she never named Van in that statement, advice from her lawyer I'd suggest.

I clipped it out for you, as you're obviously struggling to grasp this concept. Read it, then read it again and again until your brain tries to comprehend it.

It's clear that she thinks the PM knew, that she communicated with a lot of people about it (including numerous Libs) and that the person's office was moved. And we know that Van's office was moved.

The fact that Morrison says he can't remember it happening is probably the most damning statement. You know you're stuffed when Morrison is pretending he can't remember something which obviously happened and he clearly remembers.

 

[Sphynx]

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I clipped it out for you, as you're obviously struggling to grasp this concept. Read it, then read it again and again until your brain tries to comprehend it.

It's clear that she thinks the PM knew, that she communicated with a lot of people about it (including numerous Libs) and that the person's office was moved. And we know that Van's office was moved.

The fact that Morrison says he can't remember it happening is probably the most damning statement. You know you're stuffed when Morrison is pretending he can't remember something which obviously happened and he clearly remembers.

I'll believe her when there's an independent inquiry that has determined the facts. Including evidence from everyone she has implicated today.

I'm not taking anything Lidia Thorpe says in a statement as gospel, sorry.

She's a pathological liar.

 

[Saint]

I'll believe her when there's an independent inquiry that has determined the facts. Including evidence from everyone she has implicated today.

I'm not taking anything Lidia Thorpe says in a statement as gospel, sorry.

She's a pathological liar.

When did she lie? I reckon that would be a pretty big story if she's been previously caught out in a lie!

 

[Gralin]

There's a massive difference between "made me feel unsafe" and an accusation of sexual assault. She doesn't get to define it either.

Anyway, here's to the next few hundred pages....

Regardless of whether she wants to take this further with the police, there now needs to be an inquiry as to the truth of it. Especially as to which of the two has just lied to the public about acts within Parliament house in the last few hours. One of the two's political career needs to end immediately.

I'm interested in the response to the following. "To me that was sexual assault. And the government at the time recognised it as such."

Also, interestingly, she never named Van in that statement, advice from her lawyer I'd suggest.

I dont see anything in her statement that isn't covered by the governments own definition of what sexual assault is

Sexual assault and rape

Find out what to do if you are sexually assaulted or r*ped, including how to get medical help, and what support services are available.

www.healthdirect.gov.au

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I for one can't believe that a Senator who has continually been proven as a blatant liar and has labelled people racists with no proof, claimed she has been assaulted (on camera) by members of the public, police etc by merely brushing arms with her would make up an assault claim (which she's already trying to redefine...)

I for one can't really believe a Senator who went toe to toe outside a strip club with 8 white males not a month ago, has assaulted Police in protests, is essentially the most notorious attack dog in federal politics at the minute felt so intimidated by a stairwell encounter with David Van that she needed to be escorted around the building?


Girl of cried wolf applies to Lidia from my perspective.

He moved offices because he had complaints against him….

I for one will be eating popcorn as this plays out.

 

[Sphynx]

I dont see anything in her statement that isn't covered by the governments own definition of what sexual assault is

Sexual assault and rape

Find out what to do if you are sexually assaulted or r*ped, including how to get medical help, and what support services are available.

www.healthdirect.gov.au

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Yep, no problems.

We need to get to the bottom of her determinisation of "inappropriate touching" though.

The fact she has to qualify it with "to me it was sexual assault" insinuates to others who have heard these accusations, it wasn't.

Van has stated the only time he touched her was when he shook her hand. He's admitted that the complaints were surrounding accusations of him following her into the chambers.

Again, I will believe her when someone presents all the evidence to me.

She has too big of a history of fabricating outlandish accusations for her own headlines and political gain.

As I said, either Van or Thorpe need to be run out of Parliament. One of them is lying.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

She's a pathological liar.

Surely you must have many examples of her proven to be lying, then. Can you please list and detail them for us?

 

[faible]

We need to get to the bottom of her determinisation of "inappropriate touching" though.

The fact she has to qualify it with "to me it was sexual assault" insinuates to others who have heard these accusations, it wasn't.

A lot of people think only rape is sexual assault, which would be incorrect.

 

[Sphynx]

A lot of people think only rape is sexual assault, which would be incorrect.

Who is saying that?

 

[Gralin]

Yep, no problems.

We need to get to the bottom of her determinisation of "inappropriate touching" though.

The fact she has to qualify it with "to me it was sexual assault" insinuates to others who have heard these accusations, it wasn't.

Van has stated the only time he touched her was when he shook her hand. He's admitted that the complaints were surrounding accusations of him following her into the chambers.

Again, I will believe her when someone presents all the evidence to me.

She has too big of a history of fabricating outlandish accusations for her own headlines and political gain.

As I said, either Van or Thorpe need to be run out of Parliament. One of them is lying.

I know people on here love to make judgements about what happened to other people when they weren't there

but

you don't get to decide how someone else feels about something

what she said was different people have different undestandings of what sexual assault is, she then gave examples of what happened to her





said she considered it sexual assault, which the definition agrees with btw

so what are you really arguing?

 

[faible]

Who is saying that?

It's a general observation of things I've seen people say in person and online, a lot of the general population wouldn't think of things other than rape when sexual assault is mentioned. It's part of why the messaging around sexual assault has included examples of things other than rape, so that people are better educated that it's not just one thing.

 

[Gough]

If you remove the sexual aspect of the accusation it still sounds like she was the victim of a targeted campaign of harassment by members of the Morrison government. An entirely believable scenario considering what other women have said about their treatment during that time.

 

[Sphynx]

If you remove the sexual aspect of the accusation it still sounds like she was the victim of a targeted campaign of harassment by members of the Morrison government. An entirely believable scenario considering what other women have said about their treatment during that time.

Yes, but you can't remove the sexual aspect can you?

She's not just accused Van either.

She used the word "men". Plural.

 

[Gralin]

If you remove the sexual aspect of the accusation it still sounds like she was the victim of a targeted campaign of harassment by members of the Morrison government. An entirely believable scenario considering what other women have said about their treatment during that time.

don't do that

 

[Gough]

Yes, but you can't remove the sexual aspect can you?

Nobody should be subjected to the kind of harassment that she received in her place of work.

 

[Gralin]

Nobody should be subjected to the kind of harassment that she received in her place of work.

that's correct but we don't need to be doing the even if she wasn't sexually assaulted its still bad thing

 

[Gough]

that's correct but we don't need to be doing the even if she wasn't sexually assaulted its still bad thing

I'm just trying to highlight whatever has happened is unacceptable and that she's been subjected to disgraceful behavior towards. I personally believe her whole story.