Toast Lindsay Thomas Announces Retirement

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Nickoo said:
Initial impact was shoulder to shoulder; but that is not the point. He intended to bump ignoring the ball therefore the duty of care he affords goes up coz his only intent was not to stop Scott getting the ball but to....

His second infringement against Henry same deal. Again no eyes for the ball. Was trying to.....


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The ball was within 5m. It is irrelevant that he ran past the ball and 'chose to bump'. You can either bump or you can't. AFL needs to make up its mind.
 

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Marat said:
Thomas has been persecuted for years and he will not survive these events. The AFL establishment talks a good game on Indigenous reconciliation but it’s narrow - they love the Martin Luther King type (Adam Goodes so lauded you are not even allowed to boo) and the good natured clown with a box full of tricks (little Eddie Betts) but give them a Thomas, with his surliness, physicality, and “cheating” ways and liberal pretensions are put to one side - that black boy is going to be put in his place and it will not be pretty
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Remember when the AFL had its first chance to try out its brand new suspension toy on Byron Pickett?
 
The media-led crucifixion of LT over his career has disgusted me more than anything in the sport. For a game that promotes the importance of mental health they certainly don't give a shit about Lindsay's mental state. Has he played for frees? Yes. Has he committed reputable acts? Yes. Has he been the worst at either? Not even close. It is blatant bullying and the gang-up mentality of the media needs to be called out and people like Luke Darcy, Dermott Brereton, Cameron Ling, Robert Walls and anyone else who has led the charge when it comes to painting LT in a horrible light should be disciplined.

When opposition fans booed him, I didn't like it, but accepted it because that's part of being in a crowd at footy. Small forwards from any team have a knack for getting under the skin. But to use your spot in the media to continuously catastrophise everything that LT does because it's the popular thing to do is disgusting and nothing less.

FWIW, I believe LT deserves a week (and I'm shattered, as I wanted to see him play against the Roos next week), but the over the top reactions and malice in some people's analysis of the bump should not be tolerated. People need to stand up and good on Carey and Brown for doing this. I am so passionate about this, as someone battling with mental health issues myself, it makes me sick to witness.

I was upset when LT was delisted, but I'm so glad that more people from another fanbase are being exposed to the direct bullshit that this bloke cops and are vocally speaking up about it.

TL:DR Media are bullies.

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I have absolutely no problem with Thomas getting a suspension for this act. The problem I have, and have had for some time, is the way in which the MRP system can and is manipulated. Leaving this part of the system to the discretion of a panel, let alone a panel of one, is very easily corrupted. This is even clearer when you see Christian's crafting to keep Burton from penalty, while sending Thomas straight to the tribunal (with the threat of a harsher penalty than should be applied).

The only answer is to abolish the MRP in its current form. It is transparently corruptable.

I would also suggest that where a player has been reported on the field, the official media should be stopped from editorialising on the incident. The blatant lobbying for a penalty in this case has been disgusting.
 
TeeKray said:
Nothing to do with frustration at the team's performance, I had the same opinion when he played for North Melbourne.

When Hodge or Lewis snipe opponents they are 'tough men that play on the edge'. When Shuey or Selwood duck they are 'tough ball players who go in harder and lower than everyone else'. When Thomas does these things he's a weak prick and a diver. This has been ongoing for literally a decade, it didn't just start on the weekend.

The treatment he gets from the media, opposition supporters, umpires and the tribunal is downright disgraceful and well out of whack with whatever weaknesses people perceive in his on field actions. You can attribute it to whatever you like. I know what I'm attributing it to.
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Remember the Adam Goodes booing fiasco? I’m not exactly president of the Adam Goodes fan club myself, but no chance in hell that a white guy would have copped the same treatment that he copped for the same on-field indiscretions.

El_Scorcho said:
It's excellent to see a couple of Victorian football identities standing up for reason in relation to an incident involving a Port player. Carey and Brown were spot on.

Ling is a long term confirmed campaigner and the fact that Geelong was involved means he should be barred from commenting on the matter.
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Cameron Ling should be barred from commenting on any matter for any reason. A magic 8 ball would provide more consistent and nuanced insight.
 
Schulzenfest said:
Cameron Ling should be barred from commenting on any matter for any reason.
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Whatever Ling has in the way of talent or appeal as a commentator is lost on me. The inherent Geelong bias was too tempting for
him not to rise above. His vacant broad grin, guffawing and all round ability to say nothing of interest gets me shaking my head
and reaching for the mute button. If there's one thing more tiresome than an idiot it's an idiot with a microphone.
 
YOU'RE ****ING ALLOWED TO NOT PLAY THE BALL IT'S CALLED A ****ING SHEPARD. In a marking contest its called 'using your body'.

It's literally like, how you play the game. There's absolutely nothing that says you can't bump someone out of the way to get the ball afterwards. Thomas might have hit him high, and will be punished, but this bullshit about the right and moral and gentlemanly way to play within the rules just does my head in.

Also, did Thomas actually contact Selwoods head or his raised forearm?
 
MrMeaner said:
I have absolutely no problem with Thomas getting a suspension for this act. The problem I have, and have had for some time, is the way in which the MRP system can and is manipulated. Leaving this part of the system to the discretion of a panel, let alone a panel of one, is very easily corrupted. This is even clearer when you see Christian's crafting to keep Burton from penalty, while sending Thomas straight to the tribunal (with the threat of a harsher penalty than should be applied).

The only answer is to abolish the MRP in its current form. It is transparently corruptable.

I would also suggest that where a player has been reported on the field, the official media should be stopped from editorialising on the incident. The blatant lobbying for a penalty in this case has been disgusting.
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The Burton explanation was amazing. Christian said Burton couldn't have foreseen accidental head contact when he chose to bump. Well neither could Robbie Gray have foreseen accidental shoulder contact then. Or even Richard Douglas (I still don't know how he contacted Merrett's head).

Apparently the head isn't a potentially damaging body part like the shoulder. The term Liverpool Kiss is a complete misnomer.
 

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edgie said:
Shame they cut the clip before Carey added 'but because it's Hawthorn...'
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Interesting that they think he is questioning the individual integrity of Michael Christian.

He wasn’t, and isn’t. He is pointing out an environmental bias.
 
Ford Fairlane said:
The Burton explanation was amazing. Christian said Burton couldn't have foreseen accidental head contact when he chose to bump. Well neither could Robbie Gray have foreseen accidental shoulder contact then. Or even Richard Douglas (I still don't know how he contacted Merrett's head).

Apparently the head isn't a potentially damaging body part like the shoulder. The term Liverpool Kiss is a complete misnomer.
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Yep. That was extraordinary.
 
I haven't read back on the whole thread, but simple question, did Lindsay actually make contact with the head of Scott Selwood in the first bump? The only replay they had of it on AFL app, shows no head contact. I'm guessing there is probably another angle out there I haven't seen yet
 
Coobk001 said:
I haven't read back on the whole thread, but simple question, did Lindsay actually make contact with the head of Scott Selwood in the first bump? The only replay they had of it on AFL app, shows no head contact. I'm guessing there is probably another angle out there I haven't seen yet
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Forearm/elbow first then shoulder then head all very quickly. Its why Christian said its not intentional as you are allowed to bump when the ball is less than 5m away, which it was, but if you make head high contact, you pay a price.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Forearm/elbow first then shoulder then head all very quickly. Its why Christian said its not intentional as you are allowed to bump when the ball is less than 5m away, which it was, but if you make head high contact, you pay a price.
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It should be treated exactly the same as Richard Douglas on Zac Merrett.
 
MrPortAdelaide said:
Give Lindsay some credit, he wasnt gonna play again this week but to take out both of the ferret Selwood's in one match needs some congratulations, if only some other players showed some aggression we mightn't be a soft lot of you know what
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We where shit last Saturday night.

But we weren't soft.
 
DaTBird187 said:
It should be treated exactly the same as Richard Douglas on Zac Merrett.
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Again, this is exactly right. There can’t have been less impact in the Douglas bump as he was running full pace at him. Both players knocked out, both players able to get up and walk off, not stretchered off. One player hung out to dry by the media and therefore gets given a doctored impact grading as they aren’t happy with only a 2 game suspension because of ‘the look’ of the incident and who was involved. And as far as the afl operations officer saying that he ‘chose to make head contact’, that should be enough to get it thrown out immediately because the grading states clearly that it was careless and not intentional. How can he be making comments like this in the media? To me this shows they had a desired outcome and manipulated it to get there.
 
Giant Roo put this little all angle montage together for people who are still asking about where he hit Selwood first.

 

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