Seems alot of these kids are playing out of thier depth in positions they are not used to, you are right it is the coaching staff that have got in thier heads that these kids can play to this crap game style..
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Seems alot of these kids are playing out of thier depth in positions they are not used to, you are right it is the coaching staff that have got in thier heads that these kids can play to this crap game style..
I don't think you understand - if he didn't do it last weekend, it never happened, and never will happen. Secondly, he's been around too long and had his chance, this prick doesn't deserve to get to 20 games, we'd be way higher without him, might as well play the kids now.
WTF????????????? He's a kid who was drafted as a 17yr old. He's barely 20. Ridiculous...
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Sarcasm - Sorry, I was talking about Bigfooty logic, not my logic or reality. I was taking the piss out of those saying he's no good.
See above, obviously didn't get my sarcasm. Ridiculous indeed - that's my point, and some are questioning him.
Goo not going anywhere. Clarko favourite and designated kicker/qtr back.
Not sure why all the man love for Dowler. When I watch him at Box Hill he looks like a giraffe on roller skates.
Dowler needs to be used as bait to help us attract a key young defender.
Gilham Gibbo and Stratton with a rock ape beside them and we are business.
No place for Moss unfortunately. Is a favourite back in W.A and highly rated. Might get a gig with the Coasters.
Morton doesnt have the skills for AFL. Good honest plodder. I really thought Hawthorn would try and develop him as a tagger as he has a pretty big engine.
Gonesky-Morton, Moss, Murphy, Bailey
Bait-Dowler Osborne Bateman to entice a rock ape.
Freo might look at a 30 year old Bateman to return home and help them for a couple of years on that fast deck at Subi.
Ossie will be looked at hard by Gold Coast as a freebie.
Not sure why all the man love for Dowler. When I watch him at Box Hill he looks like a giraffe on roller skates.
Dowler needs to be used as bait to help us attract a key young defender.
Gilham Gibbo and Stratton with a rock ape beside them and we are business.
No place for Moss unfortunately. Is a favourite back in W.A and highly rated. Might get a gig with the Coasters.
Morton doesnt have the skills for AFL. Good honest plodder. I really thought Hawthorn would try and develop him as a tagger as he has a pretty big engine.
Gonesky-Morton, Moss, Murphy, Bailey
Bait-Dowler Osborne Bateman to entice a rock ape.
Freo might look at a 30 year old Bateman to return home and help them for a couple of years on that fast deck at Subi.
Ossie will be looked at hard by Gold Coast as a freebie.
I agree with most of your calls DJ, but in regards to Guerra I say this -
Guerra supply's strength and versatility.........and for the life of me I cannot believe that we would delist a player that still strikes fear into the opposition for his attack on the pill for a player as soft as Suckers (ATM) and WX who is not soft but doesn't impose himself on a contest like the Goo...
Thats my view, we are friggin soft now and you want to soften it up further
Guerra supply's strength and versatility.........and for the life of me I cannot believe that we would delist a player that still strikes fear into the opposition for his attack on the pill for a player as soft as Suckers (ATM) and WX who is not soft but doesn't impose himself on a contest like the Goo...
Thats my view, we are friggin soft now and you want to soften it up further
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Someone get rid off this thread! Its abit early to talk about this even though i want Morton and Murphy gone! I would stop judging our players now wait til near the end of the year! I can't believe u would already bring this up!
There are some seriously stupid calls in this thread, but the worst would have to be GoHawks call to delist Taylor.
Sorry Gohawks, I like a lot of what you do, but that is possibly the dumbest suggestion on this site this year (and that includes sacking Clarko 2 weeks ago as some were suggesting).
(If I've misunderstood your post, I apologise - some good stuff in the rest of what you wrote)
Dannyj - thanks for the well thought-out and structured analysis. I kinda agree with Big Moose though. Seems a little bit early to making these calls, but hey, its a free world, and you've done a great job of structuring your post.
Sorry Gohawks, I like a lot of what you do, but that is possibly the dumbest suggestion on this site this year (and that includes sacking Clarko 2 weeks ago as some were suggesting).
(If I've misunderstood your post, I apologise - some good stuff in the rest of what you wrote)
Dannyj - thanks for the well thought-out and structured analysis. I kinda agree with Big Moose though. Seems a little bit early to making these calls, but hey, its a free world, and you've done a great job of structuring your post.
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I agree with most of your calls DJ, but in regards to Guerra I say this -
Guerra supply's strength and versatility.........and for the life of me I cannot believe that we would delist a player that still strikes fear into the opposition for his attack on the pill for a player as soft as Suckers (ATM) and WX who is not soft but doesn't impose himself on a contest like the Goo...
Thats my view, we are friggin soft now and you want to soften it up further
I wouldn't delist Guerra. I would prefer to open up a position for Whitecross, I would trade Guerra if another club was interested. If not he has a one year contract on the table. I think he is too good to not be playing league football, Guerra, however I want BW to play and it is my thinking to trade Brent- who is underated as a player.
At the risk of repeating myself, I think its time we got Whitecross up and running in 2011 at BP/HBF as he has the potential to defend one on one with his versatility.
There are many people who rate Whitecross. There are many who don't. I think he has the potential to become an A-Grade player. I hope he becomes one. He has had a shocking pre-season yet still managed senior football which is a decent sign. I think he has great poise, good skills, and pretty good pace. Overall a Corey Enright/Nigel Lappin type is the thinking. Not as good, but that type of player hopefully.
For a premiership defence I will compare my backline to players being pivotal to premiership defences over the last few years.
Whitecross (as stated an Enright) Gibson (Leo Barry) Gilham (Tom Harley)
Birchall (Mackie and himself) Schoenmakers (Taylor Harry) Ladson (himself)
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I really don't like the "too early call". These players have been given great opportunity, Murphy (50 games), Morton (20 games)- and proven he isn't even that good at VFL (talking Morton).
There are always a few people who think its too early to talk about delistings at this stage of the season. Actually, alot. I respect that, but disagree with it. IMO its vindicated by the ladder position. We cant stand still and watch whats going on.
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So you want to trade Guerra but offer Matt Suckling another deal, DannyJ?
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I suppose the Taylor call could have more merit if Bailey comes back and stays injury free looking solid. Renouf has signed. Skipper proves he is good insurance as a third ruck option.
Then Lowden and Grinley prove they are "coming along nicely".
I still think Taylor has a place, however, if EVERYTHING else went right we would be in a good position ruck wise IMO.
Cheers for the appreciation, I do this type of analysis early in every season, especially in struggling years...2004 was my greatest in depth analysis and Clarkson probably came in and did 95% of what I wanted. I was so pumped with getting Clarko, he may need to just tweak his thoughts a little as he is making to many friends and not making tough tough calls which are required at AFL level.
All in all I will show faith in Clarkson under his current contract, he has earnt that right, but regardless of what occurs we should not re-sign the man until an in depth analysis of the 2009-2011 period is done. One would say he has some work to do.
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If no other club want Goo (which some people think may happen) I would quickly sign Guerra over Suckling.
However, my thinking is not having either in my 22 and Brent will be on say 280k per season, Matt 120k. With my list managment, I have taken into consideration the TPP.
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I reckon we can see Matt's ceiling now. Prefer Whitey to him tbh also.
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You have me pondering keeping Goo ahead of Suckers. I just have a feeling if this happens a few coaches will prefer the "solid" option in Goo ahead of BW whilst on the list, but I think BW could be better, but also more inconsistent. We will then be giving him games here and there and him never cementing a position. If we offload Goo it has to be Whitecross and we can stick with him, thus hopefully fulfilling his potential.
You could be right about Suckling. Doesn't seem to have many obvious traits that could see him improve to become the standard we all demand.
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that backline looks super pedestrian and lacking class. Needs some pace and a runner asap. GOnna need to sacrifice someone to get that. Hodge must play defense and need to recuit a pacy defender cos we got none
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We could trade Guerra for a pick in the 80's-90's.
Seems worthwhile.
A pick in the 80's eh? Granted he played in '69 but we all know he played until the end of '85 so I'd choose Lethal with my 80's pick from Goo
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Meh we were told this in 2008.
Reality is, if Schoenmakers can become a good defender, which looks good into his 2nd season if you ask me, we will be fine. Adding Gibson who is a great rebounder and a good defender. Imagine Gibson playing for us in 2008 or Saints in 2009. He would be bordeline AA. Harley and Maxwell got it. He has had to play for an ordinary side for the better part of his career. He is a quality player.
Whitecross has greater potential than Goo, if not we can keep Goo who still was pivotal to 2008 and is playing good football still. Gilham is a good third defender, 2007/08 replicate this.
Birchall is a good HBF. Ladson needs to find his feet again.
The only two ? are Schoey and Laddo. If the former becomes good, we have a good defence IMO.
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A pick in the 80's eh? Granted he played in '69 but we all know he played until the end of '85 so I'd choose Lethal with my 80's pick from Goo
Granted you can't go wrong with Lethal - the greatest - and it's an exemplary choice o wise one. Admittedly though, i am leaning towards Langford from the 80's crop, considering our current predicament, and god knows our ruckman were average then anyway.
big bodied defenders and more big bodied defenders.the way i see it,bucky recruited the 2 big forwards and pelchen,for reasons unknown then recuited 2 more in thorpe and dowler,both pick 6..........now obviously croad s injury was unexpected,but he was the oldest of our kp players by some margin and one would assume that he would be the first needing replacement.as good as gilham is,it was also plausable to believe that he is best suited to being the third defensive tall,given his height and weight.with our kp forwards being young and very good i think it has been a massive oversight by pelchen.those 2 low picks(thorp dowler)are gone but with franlin and roughead both being 23,there is time to rectify it.but it might have cost us a flag already.history shows if you get your spine right and your defence right,you will challenge for flags.get it wrong and you won,t.believe it or not,i think our squad is very,very good.even our ruck problem might be a strength in 2 years time.i like lisle,but looks a forward as does dowler.shoenmakers should be great but no one knows for sure.get 4 big defenders over the next 2 years and hope at least one turns out ok would be the direction i would go.if 2 turn out good,even better.everywhere else we look good,just low on confidence.........wouldn,t mind seeing bucky get his old job back at the expense of pelchen either(i,m right footed,so i might be bias)
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WH - no you did not misunderstand, i did say 'delist' taylor.
Why?
Currently we have:
Renouf
Taylor
Bailey
Lowden
Grimley
Skipper (rookie)
That is 6 ruckman and 5 on the main list. 5 is too many for me, and i hope someone can compare 5 to other clubs.
Taylor would have been delisted last year if it were not for Bailey's knee.
So if Bailey gets through the year ok, then Taylor's 1 year contract will not be renewed.
We will then have:
Renouf - 4th season
Bailey - 5th or 6th
Lowden - 3rd
Grimley - 2nd
on the main list
and Skipper and potentially taylor as mature aged rookies.
To me WH everyone is entitled to thier opinion, however, from a self assessment, there seems a lot of logic in this analysis, and to me the dumbest post of the year...then let it be.
Do you agree?
This thread is nonsensical!
While our prospects for the remainder of 2010 do not look positive based on what we have produced to date, it must be remembered that we are only up to round 8.
Come this weekend against the Blues, there may be a season defining moment that turns everything around. I would at the very least wait until the half way mark before making outlandish trade statements!
Guerra - he is a soldier. He puts everything into every contest. I've never seen him give less than 100%... but he is getting on!
Whitecross - lazy. I do not believe that he has ever given more than 70%.
Murphy - he is not a key position player. His movement and body reminds me of Andy Gowers who was tried unsuccessfully as a key position player. They threw him onto the wing and he became a star!
I think we have the team, however the positions of some of the players need to be questioned.
My team:
Gibson Shoey Gilham
Birchall Roughy Brown
Renouf Sewell Peterson
Hodge Mitchell Lewis
Bateman Franklin Burgoyne
Murphy Dowler Rioli
Int: Bailey, Guerra, Young, Ozzy
While our prospects for the remainder of 2010 do not look positive based on what we have produced to date, it must be remembered that we are only up to round 8.
Come this weekend against the Blues, there may be a season defining moment that turns everything around. I would at the very least wait until the half way mark before making outlandish trade statements!
Guerra - he is a soldier. He puts everything into every contest. I've never seen him give less than 100%... but he is getting on!
Whitecross - lazy. I do not believe that he has ever given more than 70%.
Murphy - he is not a key position player. His movement and body reminds me of Andy Gowers who was tried unsuccessfully as a key position player. They threw him onto the wing and he became a star!
I think we have the team, however the positions of some of the players need to be questioned.
My team:
Gibson Shoey Gilham
Birchall Roughy Brown
Renouf Sewell Peterson
Hodge Mitchell Lewis
Bateman Franklin Burgoyne
Murphy Dowler Rioli
Int: Bailey, Guerra, Young, Ozzy
A key part of the hawthorn 2008 flag winning team was the experienced heads on the bench. Crawford and Dew. Players such as Goo and Ossie are too valuable for us in the next few years to simply discard. Sure, maybe in 12 months BW will develop into a decent BP, but when he gets injured or needs a rest who replaces him? The next underdeveloped kid that we draft?
Look guys we have not played well thus far this year, especially given the preseason hype. Lets just calm down and bring back this thread later in the year. Whilst it's clear some players have not lived up to expectation the last thing we want to do is delist everyone.
The thing that blew me away was getting rid of Guerra?? Are you kidding? If your worried about the development of Whitecross move Guerra somewhere else. He is valuable to our side.
The thing that blew me away was getting rid of Guerra?? Are you kidding? If your worried about the development of Whitecross move Guerra somewhere else. He is valuable to our side.
How's that stack up against collingwoods depth.
We got by without in 2008 but we wont do it again. no point hoping.
Also the OP has not considered who is out of contract etc
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