Game Day LIVE - AFL 2023 Draftwatch for the WB

[Bulldogs85]

Possibly to get ahead of a Lual bid?

Could be it would be a great draft if we also got Lual

 

[stefoid]

but if there is a bid on lual at 40+ we get to match, so to get ahead of a lual bid, we have to get a pick in the 30s?

 

[Sentinel]

but if there is a bid on lual at 40+ we get to match, so to get ahead of a lual bid, we have to get a pick in the 30s?

• We can match with a later pick if the bid comes after pick 43 (and use 43 on another player).
• If a club bids on him with pick 41 or 42 we'd need to use pick 43 to match - that's a risk.
• Any club selecting him with pick 30-40 secures him with no bid match possible. We'd get another player with pick 43.

 

[doggies ftw]

Theres some pretty good players left on the board, we might just get our man here in Lual after all. Very even draft

 

[ossie_21]

Hopeful Lual slides, but not confident. Thinking with our current picks in the 40’s that 1 would be used for Mannagh, considering someone said he’d done a medical with us

 

[dogwatch]

45, 47, 58 & 81.

I suspect we’ll use the first two to try and move up into the top 40, take an unknown with 58 and maybe upgrade a player with the last pick?

It's hard to tell. The AFL has made it so complex that even they don't appear able to keep up.

Those four picks are what the AFL Draft tracker currently says (actually it says 87, not 81 but we probably won't use that one anyway) but as somebody asked last night what happened to the two picks we had at around 60? There's only one left.

Ash reported last night that we'd swapped 48 & 61 for pick 43 from the Swans. That would make sense and explain what happened to our second pick around 60. However the AFL tracker doesn't show us with any new picks in the 40s. If they hadn't yet posted the results of the reported pick trade you'd expect to see the Swans with pick 43 but they have nothing in the 40s. Lore's draft tracker shows the same as the AFL's tracker.

Yet on the WB website today they say this:

Later in the first round of the Draft, the Bulldogs completed a trade with Sydney to improve their position, sending selections 48 and 61 to the Swans and receiving pick 43 in return.


The Draft continues at Marvel Stadium on Tuesday night with rounds two onwards, with the Bulldogs currently holding selections 45, 47, 58 and 87.

That's two conflicting statements in consecutive paragraphs. Unless somehow our new pick 43 and our old pick 45 went backwards two spots while our pick 60 came forward two spots. It's a long shot but I guess that might just be possible if the 24#Cleary (Swans) and 26#Graham (Suns) bids were matched with picks from between 46 and 59.

Confusion reigns.

 

[doggies ftw]

It's hard to tell. The AFL has made it so complex that even they don't appear able to keep up.

Those four picks are what the AFL Draft tracker currently says (actually it says 87, not 81 but we probably won't use that one anyway) but as somebody asked last night what happened to the two picks we had at around 60? There's only one left.

Ash reported last night that we'd swapped 48 & 61 for pick 43 from the Swans. That would make sense and explain what happened to our second pick around 60. However the AFL tracker doesn't show us with any new picks in the 40s. If they hadn't yet posted the results of the reported pick trade you'd expect to see the Swans with pick 43 but they have nothing in the 40s. Lore's draft tracker shows the same as the AFL's tracker.

Yet on the WB website today they say this:


That's two conflicting statements in consecutive paragraphs. Unless somehow our new pick 43 and our old pick 45 went backwards two spots while our pick 60 came forward two spots. It's a long shot but I guess that might just be possible if the 24#Cleary (Swans) and 26#Graham (Suns) bids were matched with picks from between 46 and 59.

Confusion reigns.

Yeah I’ve been trying to work this out DW, and it’s the one trade that’s not even shown in the trade tracker too

I think your last comment must be spot on though, that our two picks have gone back 2 spots because of the picks Swans & Suns used to match bids - that’s the only thing that makes sense

 

[Golden_6]

Interesting that Sanders manager had 4 draftees in the top 6 so essentially knew the order of the top end. It appears we would have known that it was Sanders would be available at our pick for a fair while.

 

[hujsh]

It's hard to tell. The AFL has made it so complex that even they don't appear able to keep up.

Those four picks are what the AFL Draft tracker currently says (actually it says 87, not 81 but we probably won't use that one anyway) but as somebody asked last night what happened to the two picks we had at around 60? There's only one left.

Ash reported last night that we'd swapped 48 & 61 for pick 43 from the Swans. That would make sense and explain what happened to our second pick around 60. However the AFL tracker doesn't show us with any new picks in the 40s. If they hadn't yet posted the results of the reported pick trade you'd expect to see the Swans with pick 43 but they have nothing in the 40s. Lore's draft tracker shows the same as the AFL's tracker.

Yet on the WB website today they say this:


That's two conflicting statements in consecutive paragraphs. Unless somehow our new pick 43 and our old pick 45 went backwards two spots while our pick 60 came forward two spots. It's a long shot but I guess that might just be possible if the 24#Cleary (Swans) and 26#Graham (Suns) bids were matched with picks from between 46 and 59.

Confusion reigns.

Yeah you found the answer. Bid on players push all picks back (noticeable with the two picks in the 40s), used picks for points bring other picks forward (the pick in the 60s) and then the change from bids also push some picks back (the pick in the 80s). So it's a complicated hodgepodge to track

 

[Dav1d]

I expect Lual to be gone just before the 40s, would be on theme with the draft

 

[doggy_dog]

Perfect night would be Freijah, Mannagh/other small forward, match Lual after that, then Lachlan Smith/Visentini rookie tomorrow. I can dream

 

[dogwatch]

When exactly does a Lual bid become matchable?

At pick 40 or at pick 41?

It might matter! It'd be nervous times if it came down to that.

 

[ossie_21]

Because with the number of bids, trades etc that now extend every other draft pick the entire thing would run past midnight if done on a single evening. 60 picks at 5 minutes each is 5 hours, plus another hour for clubs taking their full 5 minutes to decide to place a bid they were always going to do which restarts the clock again. The AFL seeming to ensure each pick uses the full time allowance doesn't help - eg why do we need 5 minutes for the first draft pick?

The top 10 could realistically be over in about 15 minutes but instead takes about 90 minutes.

Well, true…but needing the full 5 minutes in some selections is stupid. Pick trading is the main culprit as teams may need to consider offers, but every team should have a list of 60 odd players in order and scratch them off as they are taken, then they just take the next name.

The draft could be over in 20 minutes and the sooner everyone can get on the beers.

 

[dergert]

If McAuliffe is available with at our pick it'd be hard not to look at him. Even if Lual is there

 

[Dav1d]

With Collard off the board do the Eagles look at Mitch Edwards next as another local boy? Or someone like Sanchez ..

Ollie Murphy is still on the board, who has room or the need for a developing key defender between our next pick?

Who can afford to task a risk on Schoenmaker?

Cooper Simpson prior to the early injury looked like he'd be heading in the first round as well, is his value too good to pass up in the second round?

Still have Archer Reid on the board if you’re in the market for another developing Ruck

 

[Sentinel]

If McAuliffe is available with at our pick it'd be hard not to look at him. Even if Lual is there

If both are still on the board at pick 43 and we want them both, you use the pick on the non-NGA player then have the ability to match a bid for Lual when it comes, even if that is the next pick.

 

[dergert]

If both are still on the board at pick 43 and we want them both, you use the pick on the non-NGA player then match a bid for Lual when it comes.

Duh. I'm an idiot. I'm just going to stop now.

I thought we had a pick before 40

 

[dogwatch]

Talked about prospects still on the board, in no special order:

Ollie Murphy
Luamon Lual
Joel Freijah
Josh Chatfield (late pick or rookie option)
Kade De La Rue (a late birthday type, turned 18 last SUnday)
Jack Delean
Mutaz El Nour (rookie?)
Kristian Ferronato
Oscar Hine-Baston
Tew Jiath
Brayden Laplanche
Kane McAuliffe
Logan Morris
Tarkyn O'Leary (winger, won the Draft time trial)
Nathan Philactides
Archer Reid
Michael Rudd
Arie Schoenmaker
Lachlan Smith
George Stevens
Vigo Visentini
Billy Wilson

Plus some others that have been mentioned occasionally - Hall, O'Driscoll, Pike, Shipp etc.

I'll not pretend to be any sort of draft guru. I don't know much about most of these but I'm attracted to the likes of Murphy, Lual, Philactides, McAuliffe, Wilson, Freijah, de la Rue, O'Leary and some others perhaps.

The point being that there are 15 picks before our next pick and even if all my favourites are gone there is bound to be someone of interest still left when it's our turn.

In some ways tonight's second phase of the draft is much more interesting and unpredictable than the over-hyped top end that we had to suffer last night.

 

[dergert]

This Hine Batson fella sounds good too

 

[TiAn_]

With Collard off the board do the Eagles look at Mitch Edwards next as another local boy? Or someone like Sanchez ..

Ollie Murphy is still on the board, who has room or the need for a developing key defender between our next pick?

Who can afford to task a risk on Schoenmaker?

Cooper Simpson prior to the early injury looked like he'd be heading in the first round as well, is his value too good to pass up in the second round?

Still have Archer Reid on the board if you’re in the market for another developing Ruck

Haven’t seen much of him, but Cooper Simpson would seem to be a good fit for us.

 

[Dav1d]

Haven’t seen much of him, but Cooper Simpson would seem to be a good fit for us.

You also have Archie Roberts and Callinan, plenty others I’m missing to. Should be someone of good value to us even if we do miss out on Lual

 

[dergert]

Any decent key defenders left? Apart from Ollie Murphy

 

[Dav1d]

Any decent key defenders left? Apart from Ollie Murphy

Zane Zakostelsky
Was tipped as bit of a bolter
Fremantle apparently are keen

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I hope they're shorter. 5 minutes for the first round is completely unnecessary but the AFL obviously does it for the amazing suspense and spectacle. The entire draft should be 3 minutes per pick in my opinion, which would mean we'd be all done in the time taken to complete the first round last night (2.5 hours).

Rookie draft is 3pm tomorrow, alongside the preseason draft which for some reason still exists.

They'll never do that because they want to give teams time to make trades on the fly. To be honest I find that the most exciting part. Well second to who we will pick obviously, but a lot of the time that is fairly predictable anyway.

 

[doggies ftw]

I want Lual and De la Rue, a winger & HF to go with a tall & inside mid