Locking the AFL Finals Timeslots

Should Finals Timeslots be locked, and Teams allowed to play at their home grounds?


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Is it time to, or even a good idea to, lock the timeslots for the nine Finals each year?
What I mean is - The AFL have, over time, used many different reasonings to justify scheduling of Finals, particularly in the first week. Things like
(a) ensuring a "big" matchup on Friday night to kick things off
(b) the "need" to play a Thursday night game
(c) Subiaco/ANZ hosting a Wallabies Test and/or having to schedule Sydney Finals around the NRL
(d) multiple games hosted by Victorian teams needing to be played on separate days so that they don't have to play them at Etihad and owe the MCG another game the next year.
Just a few; there are probably more.

I would propose that the AFL locks all nine matches to set timeslots, slightly adjustable for time-zones, and the Saturday match of week 3 (Prelim Final week) be "floating" enough that the AFL can ensure the away team sleeps in their own bed that night, should they wish to do so, to assist in preparation for the GF if they've progressed (as they do currently).

MY PROPOSED SCHEDULE:
WEEK ONE
Fri Night - 2nd Qualifying Final
Sat Afternoon - 2nd Elimination Final
Sat Night - 1st Qualifying Final
Sun Afternoon - 1st Elimination Final

WEEK TWO
Fri Night - 2nd Semi Final
(Loser 2QF 7-day break, Winner 2EF 6-day break)
Sat Night - 1st Semi Final (Loser 1QF 7-day break, Winner 1EF 6-day break)

WEEK THREE
Fri Night - 1st Preliminary Final
(Winner 1PF 13-day break, Winner 2SF 7-day break)
Sat floating - 2nd Preliminary Final (Winner 2PF 15-day break, Winner 1SF 7-day break)

The only major breaks discrepancy is the two QF winners, but with the whole week off in the middle I think that's pretty much a non-issue.

Doing so would ensure a couple of things:
(1) Clubs, Supporters, Venues etc know when matches will be played based on where they finish and the potential results. Eg if you finish 2nd you play this timeslot, if you lose that game your Semi is in that timeslot.
(2) Can ensure equity of breaks between matches for clubs in similar positions on the ladder.

It would require a buy-in from all major venues to be free at all required timeslots, and to possibly host two matches in one day on Saturday of week 1 (say if Port finished 6th and Adelaide finished 1st, there'd be a PA home EF followed by a Crows home QF). This should be logistically possible with planning, and an earlier start to the 2EF.

Further I would propose giving all teams the opportunity to play their home finals at their home venue, with triggers in place to allow the AFL to "upsize" the match to a larger venue where available if the anticipated crowd exceeds certain levels, and subject to the new venue not being the home ground of the away team - EG Western Bulldogs play home finals at Etihad, if a match against St Kilda is anticipated could draw 70,000 at the MCG then it is moved. If it's against Collingwood it isn't as then Collingwood would have the home-ground advantage. Some kind of balance between maximising crowds and giving teams HGA. Similar in NSW and QLD where Giants or Suns games could move to the SCG or Gabba if anticipated crowds warrant, provided the match isn't against Sydney or Brisbane respectively. I think this is somewhat the case already for QLD and NSW clubs, but it should be implemented for non-MCG Vic teams too.

The AFL does have an agreement that a rolling 10 matches over a 5-year period (excluding GFs) are played at the MCG but given there are 7 "MCG tenant" clubs, or clubs who play more than 4 home games there a year (eg Carlton/Essendon) I don't see this being threatened, especially once a few "upsizes" are added for, say, North v St Kilda Prelim Finals.

TL;DR
Finals should be locked into timeslots to ensure equal breaks and help everyone plan as they'd know when the matches would be.
Clubs should get home-ground advantage or at a minimum neutral-venue by playing at their home ground and "upsizing" to larger venues should anticipated crowds warrant, subject to not giving the HGA to the away team.
 
The home ground thing will never happen.
They're not playing North/Saints/Bulldogs/Ess/Carlton vs another Melbourne team at Etihad, especially if there were no other games on in Melbourne that weekend. Similar for Geelong, they're not playing Melbourne clubs or popular Interstate teams down there.

The MCG contract also says prelims in Victoria have to be at the G.
 
We actually copped that 3 years ago when we had to play at the MCG against the Crows which we play at twice a year if we’re lucky. We just lost. Could have been different at Etihad??? but no complaints, I reckon MCG is the way to go. It still the fans game, or at least should be.
 

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The home ground thing will never happen.
They're not playing North/Saints/Bulldogs/Ess/Carlton vs another Melbourne team at Etihad, especially if there were no other games on in Melbourne that weekend. Similar for Geelong, they're not playing Melbourne clubs or popular Interstate teams down there.

The MCG contract also says prelims in Victoria have to be at the G.
Essendon/Carlton would be at the MCG as they do play a number of home games there.
I understand it could lock fans out but that's why we need to find a balance.
Playing Port v Richmond at Adelaide Oval locks out a heap of Richmond fans - the MCG is much bigger :p
WB playing 2 games a year @ MCG versus Collingwood playing like 15, they already potentially have to play an "away home GF" at the MCG against Richmond, why shouldn't they get a home final at their home ground the same as the Crows? Their final against the Crows at the MCG the other year only got about 60k anyway - play it at Etihad and give them the advantage of their familiar deck.
The MCG deal has been changed before in the interests of a fairer competition (which is what it is, first and foremost; the entertainment comes from the competition) when they removed the requirement for ALL prelims to be at the MCG, and when they made it the current 5-year rolling quota of matches, meaning that Adelaide v Collingwood is unlikely to be moved to the MCG. This could just be the next step, and the payoff is that they never schedule Hawthorn/Richmond/Collingwood home games at Etihad anymore. For example.
 
Essendon/Carlton would be at the MCG as they do play a number of home games there.
I understand it could lock fans out but that's why we need to find a balance.
Playing Port v Richmond at Adelaide Oval locks out a heap of Richmond fans - the MCG is much bigger :p
WB playing 2 games a year @ MCG versus Collingwood playing like 15, they already potentially have to play an "away home GF" at the MCG against Richmond, why shouldn't they get a home final at their home ground the same as the Crows? Their final against the Crows at the MCG the other year only got about 60k anyway - play it at Etihad and give them the advantage of their familiar deck.
The MCG deal has been changed before in the interests of a fairer competition (which is what it is, first and foremost; the entertainment comes from the competition) when they removed the requirement for ALL prelims to be at the MCG, and when they made it the current 5-year rolling quota of matches, meaning that Adelaide v Collingwood is unlikely to be moved to the MCG. This could just be the next step, and the payoff is that they never schedule Hawthorn/Richmond/Collingwood home games at Etihad anymore. For example.
Dumb idea
Any NSW matchup will be played at ANZ. Otherwise the clubs home grounds most likely.

The AFL will choose the ground in Victoria, tak7ng contracts, revenue and expected crowds into account.

SA and WA clubs will get home finals at their home ground, because it's the best option.

The sky is blue, move on
 
Their final against the Crows at the MCG the other year only got about 60k anyway - play it at Etihad and give them the advantage of their familiar deck.
Finals have never been about helping some team to have some familiar deck nonsense. You just play it as best for getting bigger crowd, generally. Hence it was at the G. Never going to fit 60K in Etihad. More Dogs fans and Crow fans got to see that final because it was at the G.
They stopped locking finals in at certain times and venues from early 90's. Before then you knew Elimination Final was at Waverley, Second Semi-Final was at Waverley and Preliminary Final was at Waverley. All other finals at MCG. Then they got more flexible with more expansion clubs for interstate so 1992 they played first final outside those venues in our life time. Eagles v Hawks in Qualifying Final from Perth. 1993 first time I saw a Preliminary Final at MCG. Also first time a final played under lights. Then 1994 they opened it up further by jumping to a final 8 with 4 finals in first week and 9 overall for whole series and 2 preliminary finals the week before the grand final. Locking in certain venues and times went with the 1980's. Even then they changed things up adding Sunday finals for first time in 1984. Before then you could have two finals on at same time in Melbourne. 150,000 fans split between MCG and Waverley at same time on a Saturday was fun times but now the scheduled is completely dominated by television rights. We barely even get a final in day time now. Forget expecting to have time and venues locked. We start with grand final at the G and work our way back from there.
 
Dumb idea
Any NSW matchup will be played at ANZ. Otherwise the clubs home grounds most likely.

The sky is blue, move on

Is ANZ Stadium still able to be used as an AFL ground??

When does the construction work start on making it permanently a rectangular stadium.
 
Is ANZ Stadium still able to be used as an AFL ground??

When does the construction work start on making it permanently a rectangular stadium.
Who knows
There's some serious politics at play.
Alliance is currently the Government priority, and it hasn't started. Not certain it will happen although it has been announced.
The AFL has no clout because neither of the AFL clubs want to play H/A there.
 
Dumb idea
Any NSW matchup will be played at ANZ. Otherwise the clubs home grounds most likely.

The AFL will choose the ground in Victoria, tak7ng contracts, revenue and expected crowds into account.

SA and WA clubs will get home finals at their home ground, because it's the best option.

The sky is blue, move on
So far GWS have played 2 of their 3 home finals at Spotless. The third was against Sydney.
ANZ is no longer an AFL venue and soon won't haven have the capability of holding it.
 
So far GWS have played 2 of their 3 home finals at Spotless. The third was against Sydney.
ANZ is no longer an AFL venue and soon won't haven have the capability of holding it.
No that's not true, and probably not relevant. Depending on the matchup there's a good chance we take any home final to Manuka this year anyway.
 
Before anyone else says it, I know the history, when matches used to be locked at venues, and I know what the status quo is.
I'm asking for discussion about options. I don't think it's quite the right balance between revenue/crowds and an equitable competition yet - especially not for a playoff series.

What are thoughts on locking the timeslots? Everything seems to be about the venues.
 

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Essendon/Carlton would be at the MCG as they do play a number of home games there.
I understand it could lock fans out but that's why we need to find a balance.
I understand what you are saying about fairness but it won't happen.
They won't play something like North/Saints/Bulldogs v Richmond/Collingwood/Essendon etc at Etihad, especially if it's the only game in Melbourne.
They won't play big games at Geelong, their QF last year was a lock out with 95k at the G.
They G is the home of football and is where most people want to go, it has been this way for a hundred years.

The MCG deal has been changed before in the interests of a fairer competition (which is what it is, first and foremost; the entertainment comes from the competition) when they removed the requirement for ALL prelims to be at the MCG, and when they made it the current 5-year rolling quota of matches, meaning that Adelaide v Collingwood is unlikely to be moved to the MCG. This could just be the next step, and the payoff is that they never schedule Hawthorn/Richmond/Collingwood home games at Etihad anymore. For example.
Yes things can change but as you say there needs to be a pay back.
When the MCG conceded the prelim, they locked in extra games during the season including 14 Collingwood games, taking it to 2 a week for the season. They can't really lock in any more unless they take them off Etihad (which the AFL owns and won't want to lose games from especially with all the money that's about to be spent on it) or they cancel all the Tassie arrangements. More than 2 games a week also becomes an issue for the playing surface in Winter. They also were given a guarantee that all prelims in Vic are at the G. They were also guaranteed 10 finals over a 5 year period not counting the GF. The only extra thing they can give is extend the GF contract even further.
 
That's not quite how this works unless you're the CEO of the AFL. Why not lock timeslots?
Because as soon as you fix something a situation pops up where it is unsuitable.
Best to leave things flexible.
Remember in 2013 when Geelong opened their new grandstand the AFL said no you still won't be getting any finals? Then at the end of the season they had the problem of 4 finals in Melbourne in week 1 so they changed their mind and said okay because the G can only have 3 games and you have the lowest drawing game you can have a final.
 
The AFL won't want to.

My best guess of the finals setup this year, with finishing positions from the Squiggle and the higher teams winning.

Week 1
Thursday night: West Coast (2) v Collingwood (3)
Friday night: Richmond (1) v GWS (4)
Saturday afternoon: Melbourne (5) v Hawthorn (8)
Sunday: Geelong (6) v Port Adelaide (7) - this would be Saturday night if there wasn't two EFs in Melbourne, or if it could be played in Geelong.

Week 2
Friday night: Collingwood (8 day break) v Melbourne (6 day break)
Saturday night: GWS (7 day break) v Geelong (6/7 day break)

Week 3

Friday: Richmond v Collingwood
Saturday twighlight: West Coast v GWS
 
Because as soon as you fix something a situation pops up where it is unsuitable.
Best to leave things flexible.
Remember in 2013 when Geelong opened their new grandstand the AFL said no you still won't be getting any finals? Then at the end of the season they had the problem of 4 finals in Melbourne in week 1 so they changed their mind and said okay because the G can only have 3 games and you have the lowest drawing game you can have a final.
Locking finals to timeslots wouldn't do that though. If two at the same day on the Sat then play one early afternoon to allow turnaround time. Same coulda been done in 2013 with that Geelong game. All the venues would need to be onboard and given AFL is the major September tenant of all 9 main venues that could potentially host finals I don't see why they wouldn't want to be.
 
Locking finals to timeslots wouldn't do that though. If two at the same day on the Sat then play one early afternoon to allow turnaround time. Same coulda been done in 2013 with that Geelong game. All the venues would need to be onboard and given AFL is the major September tenant of all 9 main venues that could potentially host finals I don't see why they wouldn't want to be.
There are a million different things that can happen that change things.
They looked at having 2 games at the G on Saturday that year and said it was too hard given there was also one Friday night and Sunday.
No need to lock anything in advance, just work out what's best at the time.
 
The AFL won't want to.

My best guess of the finals setup this year, with finishing positions from the Squiggle and the higher teams winning.

Week 1
Thursday night: West Coast (2) v Collingwood (3)
Friday night: Richmond (1) v GWS (4)
Saturday afternoon: Melbourne (5) v Hawthorn (8)
Sunday: Geelong (6) v Port Adelaide (7) - this would be Saturday night if there wasn't two EFs in Melbourne, or if it could be played in Geelong.

Week 2
Friday night: Collingwood (8 day break) v Melbourne (6 day break)
Saturday night: GWS (7 day break) v Geelong (6/7 day break)

Week 3

Friday: Richmond v Collingwood
Saturday twighlight: West Coast v GWS
Can't see the AFL playing Melb v Haw as a day game when the Saturday night is there
 

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