Luke Ball's performance against St Kilda

[The Fireman]

LOL!


Yep... exactly.

February is for blowing out cobwebs. Just ask the Cats and Crows. But of course, Collingwood was the only side taking it seriously, right Jeff? And the Saints were taking it the least seriously, right Jeff?

Let's hear it for the February champions.

I detect some bitterness , I am 100% certain you're arse was validating tram tickets when Schneider was having the final shot for goal and you were hoping to the football gods he missed, If you tell me otherwise I will call you a liar sir.

PS I'm also tipping the dog and missus may have been in for some detrimental physical activities in the aftermath.

 

[JeffDunne]

LOL!

So humour me, what quality were you missing?

Note, I did say "quality".

Let's hear it for the February champions.

Collingwood had the off-season awards sewn up when they got Luke Ball for nothing.

Well, pick 30 and $500K type "nothing" . . .

 

[HFF]

LOL. Friday didn't teach you anything re: quantity vs quality?

FWIW, Luke went missing when his coach had the nerve to force him to address some of the short-comings in his game. Rather than be a man - like Milne and Dal Santo were - Luke cracked the sads and took the easy option. Should fit in well with Didak, Medhurst, Thomas, Davis, etc.

Keep telling yourself that Jeff if that's what helps you sleep at night.

By season's end, Rossy Lyon will still be looking like a gaping a**hole.

 

[JeffDunne]

These . . . um . . . "people" . . . seem to be taking it seriously.

Actually, come to think of it, that's probably how they act on any given day.

 

[The Fireman]

Keep telling yourself that Jeff if that's what helps you sleep at night.

By season's end, Rossy Lyon will still be looking like a gaping a**hole.

After we have dispatched you from the finals again? If you make it.
PS Your nic gives you an air of negative cred, may be worth changing it.

 

[JeffDunne]

By season's end, Rossy Lyon will still be looking like a gaping a**hole.

He may very well but it won't be because of Collingwood or Luke Ball.

I love the way Collingwood always talk up the Greening episode whenever we play them . . . "never forget" I think is the catch-cry . . . the more important the game, the more likely they are to fall flat on their arses when the game is actually played. Try actually backing up the bullshit for once.

Fancy too, coming from "dalethomas13".

Dale Thomas . . . now there's a 100 reasons alone why you needed Luke Ball.

 

[Katherine Amateurs]

Luke Ball played better than Andrew Lovett

 

[JeffDunne]

Luke Ball played better than Andrew Lovett

So did Dale Thomas.

Just.

 

[hellfire]

I detect some bitterness , I am 100% certain you're arse was validating tram tickets when Schneider was having the final shot for goal and you were hoping to the football gods he missed, If you tell me otherwise I will call you a liar sir.

PS I'm also tipping the dog and missus may have been in for some detrimental physical activities in the aftermath.

Oh how clever you are! I'm surprised you didn't throw out the "you're a Collingwood supporter, so you probably couldn't afford a tram ticket". Well, you were looking clever until you said "you're" instead of "your". Grade 4 stuff. Actually the missus was there with me, and my reaction was "shit, now I won't get to see us play next week".

So humour me, what quality were you missing?

Note, I did say "quality".

Collingwood had the off-season awards sewn up when they got Luke Ball for nothing.

Well, pick 30 and $500K type "nothing" . . .

Spot on. What a bargain.

Quality, as in players from our best 22: Our leading goal-kicker from 2009 [by a long way], our leading clearance winner from 2009, our number 1 ruckman from 2009, our second highest scoring small forward from 2009, and a good medium defender. Not a lot of quality missing, but it's far from a full strength side. Oh and our AA-worthy full-back only played a quarter and a half, and our up-and-coming star midfielder only played a half.

And if you really need confirmation that we take the NAB Cup so seriously... the fact that we let our assistant coaches take the reigns sums it up.

 

[The Fireman]

Oh how clever you are! I'm surprised you didn't throw out the "you're a Collingwood supporter, so you probably couldn't afford a tram ticket". Well, you were looking clever until you said "you're" instead of "your". Grade 4 stuff. Actually the missus was there with me, and my reaction was "shit, now I won't get to see us play next week".

I have been pulled up for the misuse of a word by a Collingwood supporter, the shame oh the shame. Before I go to the back yard and give myself a severe belting with a fence paling I will take this opportunity to call you a liar

 

[krusden]

These . . . um . . . "people" . . . seem to be taking it seriously.


Actually, come to think of it, that's probably how they act on any given day.

that was a disgraceful picture.

well done pies cheer squad.

class.

 

[Falchoon]

And if you really need confirmation that we take the NAB Cup so seriously... the fact that we let our assistant coaches take the reigns sums it up.

true

Collingwood have already decided he's not fit to be their senior coach.

 

[Alpha Male]

Quality, as in players from our best 22: Our leading goal-kicker from 2009 Anthony [by a long way], our leading clearance winner from 2009 O'Bree? I though Ball was recruited to replace him?, our number 1 ruckman from 2009 Fraser is barely a ruckman , our second highest scoring small forward from 2009 Dick? Not the best nomination... Raph Clarke anyone??, and a good medium defender Goldsack? Hardly a game breaker.... Not a lot of quality missing, but it's far from a full strength side. Oh and our AA-worthy full-back only played a quarter and a half, and our up-and-coming star midfielder only played a half.

And if you really need confirmation that we take the NAB Cup so seriously... the fact that we let our assistant coaches take the reigns sums it up.

You do realise of course that Leigh Tudor was coaching the Saints? Senior coaching didn't come into play. It was mostly about the cattle on the park.

In terms of players missing; Our 2 best midfielders (Hayes and Dal Santo) Our best ruckman (Gardiner) Our best midsized defender (Dempster) Our best defensive pressure forward (McQualter) and a very good rebounding defender (Gram) all missed too. Raph Clarke also dragged our team into the Grand Final with his last qtr efforts in the prelim and he didn't play either. Not to mention that Goddard, Montagna and Kosi all had dirty nights.

Obviously though you weren't taking the game seriously and are just saving all your energy for the season proper

 

[JeffDunne]

Spot on. What a bargain.

And here was me thinking Collingwood considered pick 30 fair compensation.

Now it's a bargain?

 

[hellfire]

You do realise of course that Leigh Tudor was coaching the Saints? Senior coaching didn't come into play. It was mostly about the cattle on the park.

In terms of players missing; Our 2 best midfielders (Hayes and Dal Santo) Our best ruckman (Gardiner) Our best midsized defender (Dempster) Our best defensive pressure forward (McQualter) and a very good rebounding defender (Gram) all missed too. Raph Clarke also dragged our team into the Grand Final with his last qtr efforts in the prelim and he didn't play either. Not to mention that Goddard, Montagna and Kosi all had dirty nights.

Obviously though you weren't taking the game seriously and are just saving all your energy for the season proper

Oh lord.

I was never comparing who had more quality out, I was merely pointing out that we were not at full-strength, which had been suggested. I'm well aware that the Saints were missing players. Same goes with the coaching comment, I was pointing out that we were not taking it seriously, just like everybody doesn't! NAB Cup. Bottom line.

And FWIW, those five guys are in our best 22... your perception of their worth is irrelevant. But I'll stress it again, it's not an excuse, I was just responding to the comment that we had a full-strength side.

And if you are using "dirty nights"... then I'll get the list of Pies players out...

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

And here was me thinking Collingwood considered pick 30 fair compensation.

Now it's a bargain?

Its a bargain that we didnt have to give pick 30 to a premiership challenger, and in fact that they gave Luke Ball to us instead.

 

[didaka]

Seems like a good time to get over it and move on seen it's now Tuesday.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

LOL. And to think you probably believe you don't care..

I dont care. I really dont. I would have liked to see the Pies win Round one (against anybody) just so I get to see them on telly one more time before the real stuff starts, but apart from that it doesnt matter one dolt as long as its a good enough performance and there are no injuries.

Luke Ball's superior goal average at Collingwood was a throwaway line. You know that.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I dont care. I really dont. I would have liked to see the Pies win Round one (against anybody) just so I get to see them on telly one more time before the real stuff starts, but apart from that it doesnt matter one dolt as long as its a good enough performance and there are no injuries.

Luke Ball's superior goal average at Collingwood was a throwaway line. You know that.

Stop being the voice of reason Timmy, I'm too used to getting caught up in arguments with you.

 

[ChrisL#12]

Though ball was good - his stoppage work was quite good.

Good to see he has some power back in his kicking - though it'll never be what it once was.

As an aside - I am convinced that Milne isn't best 22 for St Kilda. Sure he can snag a seagull or two - but he is a liability in that team

Is your head screwed on right? Milne was great. I don't think you even watched the game, did you?

 

[Hammers_Saints]

He played better in the GF.

This is rubbish.

In the grand final he had 23 touches I think, and all but 4 of them were ineffective.

Just shows you how misleading stats can be

 

[The Panther]

This is rubbish.

In the grand final he had 23 touches I think, and all but 4 of them were ineffective.

Just shows you how misleading stats can be

Statistics / Efficiency ratings are biased against inside midfielders, extractor types.

Armitage, who was meant to have been far superior to Ball, had a mid 50% efficiency rating.

I counted at least 4 goals in the GF where Ball was the main player within the forward movement.

 

[Alpha Male]

Oh lord.

I was never comparing who had more quality out, I was merely pointing out that we were not at full-strength, which had been suggested. I'm well aware that the Saints were missing players. Same goes with the coaching comment, I was pointing out that we were not taking it seriously, just like everybody doesn't! NAB Cup. Bottom line.

And FWIW, those five guys are in our best 22... your perception of their worth is irrelevant. But I'll stress it again, it's not an excuse, I was just responding to the comment that we had a full-strength side.

And if you are using "dirty nights"... then I'll get the list of Pies players out...

My mistake. I took your post to be one of "we didn't care because it's only NAB cup"

I think dirty nights count. Being beaten by you opponent doesn't though. I'm not sure who played on Montagna and Goddard??

All just a bit of hit n giggle this time of year mate Honestly though those outs aren't exactly top line players.

 

[doppleganger]

Ball played his role.

Against the saints in 2009 the pies were smashed in the ruck, couldn't get their hands on the pill, lost the contested possession count and were smashed in the inside 50s.

Pretty sure the pies improved all areas and would have won the scratch match if the 9 point rule wasn't in play.

Ball and Jolly already highlighted they will go a long way to fixing the pies major weakness of 2009.......up to the rest of the lads to see if they are good enough.

Not sure what pick 29 in the draft did in the opening nab cup game?

 

[kosifantutti]

Statistics / Efficiency ratings are biased against inside midfielders, extractor types.

Armitage, who was meant to have been far superior to Ball, had a mid 50% efficiency rating.

I counted at least 4 goals in the GF where Ball was the main player within the forward movement.

Efficiency ratings are biased against those that can't kick.

58% is not mid 50's and is significantly better than 45%

And what is it about Collingwood supporters just making up rubbish and expecting people to swallow it. Luke Ball had minor involvement in one goal in the Grand Final. He kicked the ball forward to a one on three contest. Riewoldt was the one. Cats punched clear, Ray picked up kicked to Schneider for a goal.

Yes, I can bring myself to watch the grand final. Maybe you'll be able to watch the first round of the NAB Cup one day