List Mgmt. Luke Jackson - Yay or Nay?

[WaywardSonSon]

Geez, if we’re eating him and spitting him out now, can you imagine what the West will do to him if he underperforms?

Probably something about as classy as this...

 

[EastcoastDocker]

Getting cold feet worse than Julia Roberts in runaway bride

 

[freo1997]

Geez, if we’re eating him and spitting him out now, can you imagine what the West will do to him if he underperforms?

Exactly I pointed this out the other day. He will be targeted not for his off field stuff, but on field ability.

 

[Electronic_Renaissance]

Man, getting a scapegoat name before even joining the club, yeesh...

But in all seriousness, there has to be a way to shield ourselves here, honest conversations need to be had. I still want him, but on a wage commensurate to his actual output, not best case scenario output

That is it. I want him. But he is 20 years old and I don't want to give him some ridiculous contract based on some potential he may have in 5 years time.

Plus whatever players we'd have to give up.

If he wants to come here, good. Sign him up for a reasonable contract that also doesn't involve giving too much away player or trade wise and let him earn his stripes. Then we'll talk big dollars.

If he's not interested then we'll know where his heart lies. I've seen too many of these deals fall through recently. Dockers or otherwise.

Despite what happened over the last two weeks he also plays in a great team, we all know how that can make a player seem better than they are.

Get him, but be reasonable or just walk away.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

That is it. I want him. But he is 20 years old and I don't want to give him some ridiculous contract based on some potential he may have in 5 years time.

Plus whatever players we'd have to give up.

If he wants to come here, good. Sign him up for a reasonable contract that also doesn't involve giving too much away player or trade wise and let him earn his stripes. Then we'll talk big dollars.

If he's not interested then we'll knew where his heart lies. I've seen too many of these deals fall through recently. Dockers or otherwise.

Despite what happened over the last two weeks he also plays in a great team, we all know how that can make a player seem better than they are.

Get him, but be reasonable or just walk away.

Hell, I'd be ok with some ridiculous bonuses for like top 5 BnF, AA squad or Brownlow finishes but at the moment he's a 500k a year player, MAYBE. I'd even be ok paying 100k "change clubs tax" and pay 600k but more than that and it has Grundy level albatross potential.

 

[Electronic_Renaissance]

Hell, I'd be ok with some ridiculous bonuses for like top 5 BnF, AA squad or Brownlow finishes but at the moment he's a 500k a year player, MAYBE. I'd even be ok paying 100k "change clubs tax" and pay 600k but more than that and it has Grundy level albatross potential.

 

[Descent]

Needs a big preseason running with Andy and Caleb. Had an almost game tonight with a few great moments early. His entire side looked ordinary in the second half – I wouldn’t want Clayton Oliver

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if we were basing our recruiting decisions on the second half of that game.

 

[freo1997]

Needs a big preseason running with Andy and Caleb. Had an almost game tonight with a few great moments early. His entire side looked ordinary in the second half – I wouldn’t want Clayton Oliver if we were basing our recruiting decisions on the second half of that game.

campaigner can’t take a mark.

 

[mike91]

Needs a big preseason running with Andy and Caleb. Had an almost game tonight with a few great moments early. His entire side looked ordinary in the second half – I wouldn’t want Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

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Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

if we were basing our recruiting decisions on the second half of that game.

Fair.....but, his whole season has been crap. Oliver might win a brownlow.

People aren't overreacting over one game, they're reacting over a very, very ordinary season with two pathetic finals performances

 

[FreoRicci]

Needs a big preseason running with Andy and Caleb. Had an almost game tonight with a few great moments early. His entire side looked ordinary in the second half – I wouldn’t want Clayton Oliver if we were basing our recruiting decisions on the second half of that game.

We’re going to get ripped off. A few first rounders. A verbal agreement isn’t a written agreement.
It’ll be a shitty look if 3 or 4 players go and Jackson comes in with a fat contract. He’s a basketball player trying to work out how to play AFL ffs

 

[Ge3ks]

His entire side looked ordinary in the second half – I wouldn’t want Clayton Oliver if we were basing our recruiting decisions on the second half of that game

This. A visiting alien would assume Max Gawn is rubbish, too.

Still yay.

 

[Electronic_Renaissance]

We’re going to get ripped off. A few first rounders. A verbal agreement isn’t a written agreement.
It’ll be a shitty look if 3 or 4 players go and Jackson comes in with a fat contract. He’s a basketball player trying to work out how to play AFL ffs

What you have written is what I fear. This is new Fremantle. It has worked great so far, I don't want to sell the farm for one player.

 

[Descent]

Okay, so this is the new vent thread? I’m doing a lot of bookmarking tonight.

 

[King Tenz]

I reckon we're all underplaying the knee injury that he's been playing through most of the season.

Hopefully he can heal it up completely over the next few months so he can have a big preseason.

 

[Demons09]

This. A visiting alien would assume Max Gawn is rubbish, too.

Still yay.

This board has a habit of over reacting though posters were calling Walters a hack not to long ago.

 

[Grape Bear]

What exactly have we committed to and how binding are those commitments?

 

[nurries]

Geez, if we’re eating him and spitting him out now, can you imagine what the West will do to him if he underperforms?

Wild thought……but how about not reading it. It’s a shit rag that is used by shit to wipe the shit off itself

 

[Electronic_Renaissance]

What exactly have we committed to and how binding are those commitments?

That's what I'd like to know but I doubt anyone really knows.

I'd love to get him, no doubt about that. I'm just concerned on what we'd have to give up and what salary cap implications it could have in the years ahead. We've seen the mess other teams have got themselves into with these things.

Also is he the type of player we really need? We need key forwards, especially if Lobb goes. He could become a key forward but it is all speculative.

 

[Grape Bear]

Wild thought……but how about not reading it. It’s a s**t rag that is used by s**t to wipe the s**t off itself

Have you actually been listening to what the guys say when they talk on pods? they try to avoid reading media of all sorts about themselves, but can’t shut it all out and it does affect them somewhat. i think people forget that these players do live in a vacuum, they live in the same reality we do. And Perth is a fishbowl for these guys.

 

[Stinky Lomax]

It’s almost at the point when you go for the toss in cricket & hope you lose because you dont know whether to bat or bowl. Almost at the point where if he says, no I’m staying, it’s taken out of our hands, no bad decisions can be made & we head in a different direction.

 

[Electronic_Renaissance]

It’s almost at the point when you go for the toss in cricket & hope you lose because you dont know whether to bat or bowl. Almost at the point where if he says, no I’m staying, it’s taken out of our hands, no bad decisions can be made & we head in a different direction.

Yeah, a bit like Tim Kelly nominating West Coast. It was suddenly out of our hands. I was disappointed at the time but look how that is working out.

 

[Sweetback]

Just give him the money, he’ll be awesome. He’ll put on another 8kg of muscle and **** shit up.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Okay, so this is the new vent thread? I’m doing a lot of bookmarking tonight.

Watch precisely zero of those bookmarks surface.

 

[theGav56]

I reckon we're all underplaying the knee injury that he's been playing through most of the season.

Hopefully he can heal it up completely over the next few months so he can have a big preseason.

Why the rush? It's a 7 year contract. If he gets it sorted in the first half decade all good.

 

[theGav56]

What exactly have we committed to and how binding are those commitments?

We seem to be committed enough to have destabilised our list, leaving a number of best 25 players in the dark regarding their futures.