List Mgmt. Luke Jackson - Yay or Nay?

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Some wild statements being made in this thread! And one more: Amiss is already ahead of Tabs, who's not in our top 2 KPF's as of right now.

Walker with one of the goat mares to be honest. Amiss was one of the few who showed something, despite the obvious lack of supply. Loved that play in the third where he was involved 3-4 times and had a hand in a goal. Nobody else gave us impact or involvement like that until junk time.

Jackson: It's a yay from me dawg. Darcy not doing enough around the ground. Would like to see them both ruck in tandem, with Darcy drifting towards the spine/forward after ballups, and Jackson with the Clem Michaels agility around the geound.

Would make it a lot less taxing too for the big boys, being able to stick the hand up and call each other into the next ruck contest if one of them is closer, instead of having to continually bust a gut to get there themselves and be too gassed to dominate each contest.
 
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Even though no one asked, here’s my list of the best key forwards in the AFL.
These are the players I would want to play on my team if we were playing to win a game this year or next year. I.e. the ones delivering quality performances right now:
1. Jeremy Cameron
2. Tom Lynch
3. Tom Hawkins
4. Charlie Curnow
5. Harry Mckay
6. Aaron Naughton
7. Taylor Walker
8. Buddy Franklin
9. Ben King
10. Jack Riewoldt
11. Jack Darling
12. Nick Larkey
13. Mabior Chol
14. Charlie Dixon
15. Matt Taberner
16. Max King
17. Rory Lobb
18. Jesse Hogan
19. Mitch Lewis
20. Brodie Mihocek
21. Joe Daniher
22. Eric Hipwood
23. Peter Wright
24. Darcy Fogarty
25. Dan Mcstay

I might have missed a few and of course some will argue about the order. I’ve left out medium and third tall types like Zurharr and Fritsch from this list.

The scale of the task ahead of us is stark actually when you look at this list. Both GF sides have players in the top 10 here.
We need Amiss to develop into a player that is automatically in the top 10 when these kind of lists are being done by any AFL fan, to be in a position to win the flag. I’m not sure Treacy can make it yo the very top but he can certainly max out in the mid to lower part of this list in time.
The only other way is to do like Melbourne but they have a freakish midfield and probably the number one Medium forward in the game in Fritsch.
 
Dockeroo said:
Even though no one asked, here’s my list of the best key forwards in the AFL.
These are the players I would want to play on my team if we were playing to win a game this year or next year. I.e. the ones delivering quality performances right now:
1. Jeremy Cameron
2. Tom Lynch
3. Tom Hawkins
4. Charlie Curnow
5. Harry Mckay
6. Aaron Naughton
7. Taylor Walker
8. Buddy Franklin
9. Ben King
10. Jack Riewoldt
11. Jack Darling
12. Nick Larkey
13. Mabior Chol
14. Charlie Dixon
15. Matt Taberner
16. Max King
17. Rory Lobb
18. Jesse Hogan
19. Mitch Lewis
20. Brodie Mihocek
21. Joe Daniher
22. Eric Hipwood
23. Peter Wright
24. Darcy Fogarty
25. Dan Mcstay

I might have missed a few and of course some will argue about the order. I’ve left out medium and third tall types like Zurharr and Fritsch from this list.

The scale of the task ahead of us is stark actually when you look at this list. Both GF sides have players in the top 10 here.
We need Amiss to develop into a player that is automatically in the top 10 when these kind of lists are being done by any AFL fan, to be in a position to win the flag. I’m not sure Treacy can make it yo the very top but he can certainly max out in the mid to lower part of this list in time.
The only other way is to do like Melbourne but they have a freakish midfield and probably the number one Medium forward in the game in Fritsch.
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That's a sad list for a freo supporter..😓
 
Dockeroo said:
Even though no one asked, here’s my list of the best key forwards in the AFL.
These are the players I would want to play on my team if we were playing to win a game this year or next year. I.e. the ones delivering quality performances right now:
1. Jeremy Cameron
2. Tom Lynch
3. Tom Hawkins
4. Charlie Curnow
5. Harry Mckay
6. Aaron Naughton
7. Taylor Walker
8. Buddy Franklin
9. Ben King
10. Jack Riewoldt
11. Jack Darling
12. Nick Larkey
13. Mabior Chol
14. Charlie Dixon
15. Matt Taberner
16. Max King
17. Rory Lobb
18. Jesse Hogan
19. Mitch Lewis
20. Brodie Mihocek
21. Joe Daniher
22. Eric Hipwood
23. Peter Wright
24. Darcy Fogarty
25. Dan Mcstay

I might have missed a few and of course some will argue about the order. I’ve left out medium and third tall types like Zurharr and Fritsch from this list.

The scale of the task ahead of us is stark actually when you look at this list. Both GF sides have players in the top 10 here.
We need Amiss to develop into a player that is automatically in the top 10 when these kind of lists are being done by any AFL fan, to be in a position to win the flag. I’m not sure Treacy can make it yo the very top but he can certainly max out in the mid to lower part of this list in time.
The only other way is to do like Melbourne but they have a freakish midfield and probably the number one Medium forward in the game in Fritsch.
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Max King & Peter Wright both kicked 50+ goals this year in bottom 8 sides. Taberner has never kicked more than 37 in a season…

Although stats don’t always tell the whole story, goals kicked is a pretty good indication.

Looking at that list I wouldn’t even have Tabs in the top 20
 
Sweetback said:
Just give him the money, he’ll be awesome. He’ll put on another 8kg of muscle and * s**t up.
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And anyone thinks the Luke Jackson trade could be another mistake like the Harley Bennell or Jesse Hogan trade?

Or looking how Brad Hill is going after saints offered him $900,000 a year.
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
Look, im extra annoyed at the Amiss one but being unbiased, Tabs flat out isn’t one of the best KPFs in the league even with the disclaimer of ‘if healthy’ (which is half the problem). Who’s your top 15 in order?
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You can only judge anyone's ability as 'when healthy'. No one can prove much if they're not on the park.
Last year Taberner averaged 2.31 goals a game, higher than the King bros, JJK, Daniher, Naughton, Lynch, Dixon, Darling etc. Averaged in top 10 for goals per game in 2020 too, in fact had he played every game probably would have won the Coleman. Named in AA squad that year. Number 2 contested mark in the AFL that year. Top contested mark in the AFL per game in 2017 and 2019. Up there too in 2018.

Sure, he can hardly get on the park but don't tell me he's not up there when he is fit. However good Amiss and Treacy may become they're as much overrated on here, as Taberner is underrated.

You may say "completely ridiculous" but looking objectively sound completely ridiculous.

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blue shark said:
I just don’t understand that people are ok paying more than 500k to Logue who
has reached his peak, but Jackson who has an massive upside is worth less than
that?
Then there is Lobb who has kicked over 20 goals a year twice for us, yet his
contract price isn’t a blunder?
This isn’t Hogan like, which I thought was too high a price to pay.
If we pay more than what Lobb is on then yes we are yet again getting reamed.
I’d like to think Bell has learned from his mistakes, but if this goes pear shaped
it’s his head that will roll.
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I am probably alone on this. I wished we gave Logue a 2 year extension at $500,000 a year until 2024.

It's not the worst thing Freo could do on a list management idea.

That would of meant Logue is a free agent in 2024.

I like the Geelong method, have a strong and all round squad with a lot of blokes on $400-650,000 a year.

Salary cap is $13,540,000 in 2022.

With that new tv rights money from 2025-2031, salary cap will go up by $1-2 million.

So a Salary cap of 14-16 million dollars. Still sucks that the salary cap minimum wage is 95 % it should be 90 or even 92.5%

Still.... Offering Luke Jackson massive dollars is a risk.

If like Jackson and Freo does a Boyd and Bulldogs 2016 type season and win a flag, it is worth it
 
hoss said:
You can only judge anyone's ability as 'when healthy'. No one can prove much if they're not on the park.
Last year Taberner averaged 2.31 goals a game, higher than the King bros, JJK, Daniher, Naughton, Lynch, Dixon, Darling etc. Averaged in top 10 for goals per game in 2020 too, in fact had he played every game probably would have won the Coleman. Named in AA squad that year. Number 2 contested mark in the AFL that year. Top contested mark in the AFL per game in 2017 and 2019. Up there too in 2018.

Sure, he can hardly get on the park but don't tell me he's not up there when he is fit. However good Amiss and Treacy may become they're as much overrated on here, as Taberner is underrated.

You may say "completely ridiculous" but looking objectively sound completely ridiculous.

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You are taking his two best years and ignoring all the others, including this year. Additionally, his two best years are 29 and 37 goals in total, that's as important as the 2.31 goals a game. Compare Tabs best year to the top KPFs best year and see how it stacks up, yet alone every other year.

Tabs is a good player when fit but he's not in the top 10 KPFs in the league, and certainly not "one of the best KPFs in the league"
 

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Snuffaluphagus said:
Seriously, where's your list of top 10 KPFs?
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Does it matter? You'd just disagree with it, just like we disagree with Mike Sheahan's list each year. The point is, that if you look at the facts and consider that Taberner was selected in the AA 40 man squad in 2020, and in top 10 for goals per game in 2021 it's not a stretch for anyone to consider him as a top KPF.

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Snuffaluphagus said:
You are taking his two best years and ignoring all the others, including this year. Additionally, his two best years are 29 and 37 goals in total, that's as important as the 2.31 goals a game. Compare Tabs best year to the top KPFs best year and see how it stacks up, yet alone every other year.

Tabs is a good player when fit but he's not in the top 10 KPFs in the league, and certainly not "one of the best KPFs in the league"
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I respectfully disagree. Anyway what I'm disagreeing with really is that you said it's completely ridiculous. The numbers say otherwise.

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Snuffaluphagus said:
Haha ok, I will leave it but go on record that it's really really hard for me to bite my tongue further on this one haha
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Maybe I wouldn't have bitten if you'd said ridiculous .... but completely ridiculous! 95% of Big Footy is subjective and opinion, as it should be.

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hoss said:
Maybe I wouldn't have bitten if you'd said ridiculous .... but completely ridiculous! 95% of Big Footy is subjective and opinion, as it should be.

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Haha fair enough, Amiss WoG meets the arbitary criteria of completely ridiculous though right?
 
bushchook said:
Why would you think Jackson would kick 20 goals though? He averages 0.6 goals for game throughout his career.
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He averages 0.6 goals a game and he's 20 years old. It's safe to assume 12/24 months from now he'll be a significantly better footballer.

Brayshaw was a wing/HFF at 20, now he's 4th favourite for the Brownlow at 22.
 
bushchook said:
Taberner was in the All Australian squad in 2020. So there's someone out there that rates him, even if his own supporters don't.
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Alex Pearce seems like a straight shooter that doesn't blow smoke up peoples a****, he has said a few times that the toughest forward to play on is Tabs when he's fit in match sim at training.
 
Dockeroo said:
Even though no one asked, here’s my list of the best key forwards in the AFL.
These are the players I would want to play on my team if we were playing to win a game this year or next year. I.e. the ones delivering quality performances right now:
1. Jeremy Cameron
2. Tom Lynch
3. Tom Hawkins
4. Charlie Curnow
5. Harry Mckay
6. Aaron Naughton
7. Taylor Walker
8. Buddy Franklin
9. Ben King
10. Jack Riewoldt
11. Jack Darling
12. Nick Larkey
13. Mabior Chol
14. Charlie Dixon
15. Matt Taberner
16. Max King
17. Rory Lobb
18. Jesse Hogan
19. Mitch Lewis
20. Brodie Mihocek
21. Joe Daniher
22. Eric Hipwood
23. Peter Wright
24. Darcy Fogarty
25. Dan Mcstay

I might have missed a few and of course some will argue about the order. I’ve left out medium and third tall types like Zurharr and Fritsch from this list.

The scale of the task ahead of us is stark actually when you look at this list. Both GF sides have players in the top 10 here.
We need Amiss to develop into a player that is automatically in the top 10 when these kind of lists are being done by any AFL fan, to be in a position to win the flag. I’m not sure Treacy can make it yo the very top but he can certainly max out in the mid to lower part of this list in time.
The only other way is to do like Melbourne but they have a freakish midfield and probably the number one Medium forward in the game in Fritsch.
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Very good list. Personally I'd have Hogan, Taberner and the King's higher.
 
Freomaniac said:
And anyone thinks the Luke Jackson trade could be another mistake like the Harley Bennell or Jesse Hogan trade?

Or looking how Brad Hill is going after saints offered him $900,000 a year.
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You'd have to do your due diligence on Luke Jackson the person. There's always the slim possibility that he's a Morabito or Paddy McCartin at St Kilda where their body lets them down but for Hogan and Bennell it was essentially off field issues. There haven't been any rumours of Jackson getting up to mischief or being mates with Charlie?
 
dominguez said:
He averages 0.6 goals a game and he's 20 years old. It's safe to assume 12/24 months from now he'll be a significantly better footballer.

Brayshaw was a wing/HFF at 20, now he's 4th favourite for the Brownlow at 22.
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There's a lot of doubt whether Jackson will ever be a good KPF. He's a good ruckman, but we already have a good ruckman.
 
bushchook said:
There's a lot of doubt whether Jackson will ever be a good KPF. He's a good ruckman, but we already have a good ruckman.
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Another bloke pumping up Lobb as a key foward and stating Jacksons goal average in his career so far.
Lobb did not play a senior gamefor GWS until he was 21 and then only played 2 games that season.
 
Freomaniac said:
And anyone thinks the Luke Jackson trade could be another mistake like the Harley Bennell or Jesse Hogan trade?

Or looking how Brad Hill is going after saints offered him $900,000 a year.
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Has their been any rumors about Jackson’s behavior?

Has Jackson had the same injury history like those two?

Any mention of mental health issues?
 

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