Scandal Lyon and Brownless

[JohnnyFontane90]

Garry Lyon sleeps with best mates ex. still more likable than damien barrett

 

[DemonTim]

Who really gives a ****? I don't know, maybe it's the guy posting completely unfounded allegations ("maybe bill was an angry dick to her") to defend his hero Garry Lyon?

(That's you by the way)

Oh and not directly related at you Tim, but these "Yeah I knew a guy once and I stuffed his ex ten years later" analogies are a little off the mark, there's a bit of a difference between rooting around at uni and jumping into a relationship with your best mate's ex-wife, right after they've started a family together.

I can't stand Lyon, i've said that already. Haven't been able to for years. I was providing answers to questions, it's a hypothetical in response to "why would they keep it secret?", hardly an allegation (also amusing considering you've had about 40 posts saying how much of a cheating dick bill is, and you decide to respond to mine only. such outrage. much gossip)

Right after they started a family? Aren't his daughters fully grown up?

As I said, it's happened to me, happened to plenty of people I know, most tend to deal with it in a grown up manner (not saying bill hasn't, but the people on here definitely haven't). There was also an article yesterday saying Bill wants to attempt to reconcile the friendship, which makes all this funnier. People online, on a forum, are more abusive towards Lyon, than the people directly involved. People just love the drama, nobody here actually cares about Bill or his feelings (it's made me realise it's the same with the essendon saga, people don't genuinely care about the players, they just love the drama)

 

[JeffDunne]

Maybe Lyon is trying to tell us something with the "mental illness" diagnosis?

A hint at a story so juicy that his will be forgotten about in hours.

Just speculating . . .

 

[Bluelegs]

Carey's media career is strictly football. Lyon and the boyos have made radio and TV careers out of laughing at others' misfortune. Not sure he'll be able to come back to that role. The comeback to any of the boyos smutty innuendo is now obvious. Lyon et al will never be able to peddle their style of humor again. I reckon they'll have to sweep the lot of them, Newman excepted.

Robbo, is that you?

 

[hird+lloyd=legends]

So it's not acceptable because of the kids? because they went on vacations together? Chances are the vacations stopped anyway, tends to happen when a marriage breaks up.

Who needs to justify it? Two consenting adults form relationship. It's a non-event. The only reason people on here care is because they love drama, all this rubbish about "oh poor bill" or "won't somebody think of the children" is crap. The kids could be happy with the situation. They could hate it. They could be happy their parents split up. Stop being outraged on behalf of people. If Bill wants to be pissed off fine, but it's not for any of the above reasons, it's jealousy.

Jee wiz you can tell that you'd be a dog of a mate if you think what Gaz has done is ok and Bill is 'jealous'

Take the Gaz coloured glasses off champ

 

[Bluelegs]

Maybe Lyon is trying to tell us something with the "mental illness" diagnosis?

A hint at a story so juicy that his will be forgotten about in hours.

Just speculating . . .

wut?

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

I can't stand Lyon, i've said that already. Haven't been able to for years. I was providing answers to questions, it's a hypothetical in response to "why would they keep it secret?", hardly an allegation (also amusing considering you've had about 40 posts saying how much of a cheating dick bill is, and you decide to respond to mine only. such outrage. much gossip)

Right after they started a family? Aren't his daughters fully grown up?

As I said, it's happened to me, happened to plenty of people I know, most tend to deal with it in a grown up manner (not saying bill hasn't, but the people on here definitely haven't). There was also an article yesterday saying Bill wants to attempt to reconcile the friendship, which makes all this funnier. People online, on a forum, are more abusive towards Lyon, than the people directly involved. People just love the drama, nobody here actually cares about Bill or his feelings (it's made me realise it's the same with the essendon saga, people don't genuinely care about the players, they just love the drama)

Don't think anybody is pretending to care about Brownless or anyone involved.
The situation has merely presented a question about what is viewed as acceptable from mates, ex missus etc, and it seems the general consensus is that it's an absolute campaigner of a thing to do, and anyone would be entitled to be mighty pissed off.
Forget who the people involved are.

 

[demon21]

Carey's media career is strictly football. Lyon and the boyos have made radio and TV careers out of laughing at others' misfortune. Not sure he'll be able to come back to that role. The comeback to any of the boyos smutty innuendo is now obvious. Lyon et al will never be able to peddle their style of humor again. I reckon they'll have to sweep the lot of them, Newman excepted.

I disagree about Carey media career strictly about football both him and Lyon work for Triple m and that station likes to poke fun at themselves and others so he is part of the boys club on that station. And Lyon might have to work on another TV network or different radio station if he wants to come back and work in the media. But i don't think he is going to be blacklisted from all TV networks and radio stations.

 

[good4footy]

The are mitigating circumstances for every wrong-doing, it does not change the fact that the actions are wrong. Of course we don't know the dynamics of the relationships involved but we do have some facts at our disposal now. We know that Garry and Billy have been close friends for 20 years. We know they Brownless' wife split up from him last year and he struggled with that. We now know that best mate has had an affair his ex within 6 months of the separation. We can also safely deduce, that they knew what they were doing was wrong because they kept it secret until confronted.



It's convenient because now you've got Channel 9 and the PR machine concerned about Garry welfare rather than the victims of the act (former partners, children, family, friends). It also has the affect of guilting people if they probe or attempt to pass judgment. It's an interesting culture we have now where we want to raise awareness about mental health but people are forbidden from even asking about it. That doesn't help raise awareness at all and actually diminishes public understanding and makes people cynical.

He may not be a victim of the act but he could still be a victim of mental illness- they can be mutually exclusive. In regards to the bolded part in your post, accepting what people are saying on here as 'discussion' of mental illness is like saying we discuss rape by saying 'she went back to his place, what did she expect to happen'.

The nature of people's reaction to the mental illness aspect of this story (on here at least) does more harm than good to public understanding and more harm than good in preventing people suffering in silence.

Now I have no idea whether it is a PR tactic or not but why are people willing to be so adamant on taking a cynical position based on no facts whatsoever. That approach does not 'raise awareness' about mental health in any way. In fact all it shows is how much work still needs to be done.

 

[thegerman]

So you think he stepped down because he's embarrassed? As in you think he's risking his future career because he feels a little bit guilty and theres no underlying issues?

So this doesn't sound suss to you?

 

[Reppie]

Gary the grub.

 

[Eddierules]

I disagree about Carey media career strictly about football both him and Lyon work for Triple m and that station likes to poke fun at themselves and others so he is part of the boys club on that station. And Lyon might have to work on another TV network or different radio station if he wants to come back and work in the media. But i don't think he is going to be blacklisted from all TV networks and radio stations.

Correct still plenty of media work for Lyon .im a celebrity get me out of here ,dancing with the Stars, the block ,judge on Australia's got talent,big brother,even tho it's not on anymore putrid ch9 are likely to revive it.

 

[thegerman]

I don't think it is? Like, the argument you and others are making is that by saying 'I'm mentally ill!' Lyon is dodging some kind of bullet. As it stands the entire world knows he slept with a friend/colleagues wife and he's been stood down by his employers. Is that actually different to Carey? Carey's downfall didn't stop him from continuing as a player, or from him transitioning to a role in the media (remember he worked at Fox for a period after he retired).

I dunno, I get what you're saying about responsibility but it seems pretty academic to me. Regardless of 'accepting' responsibility or not, he's wearing the consequences: the whole world knows he had an affair, for the moment he's out of a job and his relationship with Brownless is toast, which probably has serious consequences for his chance of future employment as well.

True, that said some media types are starting to roll on him, saying that he's lived the high life taking advantage of others misfortune.

So should he accept that now?

 

[Sterge]

What? We're talking not about highschool sweet hearts that were dating for 2 weeks.

Exactly we are talking about adults why would he be jealous he had his chance with his missus and its done you live and learn.

You would be annoyed angry upset at losing a mate of over 15 years before being jealous of him

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

To get a reaction from posters like you. Are you happy to add just as much to this thread as I did?

I have contributed to this thread...and thanks for the honest admission that you are trolling. I find it odd that somebody who says they are sick of reading about it continues to read about it. But not that odd I guess, as you say you were just fishing for a response.

 

[DemonTim]

So this doesn't sound suss to you?

I've stated this numerous times, there is no pros in questioning someones validity of a claim of mental illness. It serves 0 purpose, so no it doesn't sound suss (not to mention i'd heard about lyon having issues for a few years now, and it was a pretty common rumour around melbourne circles)

 

[DemonTim]

Jee wiz you can tell that you'd be a dog of a mate if you think what Gaz has done is ok and Bill is 'jealous'

Take the Gaz coloured glasses off champ

That is the emotion bill is feeling, how is that a bad thing to say? He feels jealous that a woman he married is with a close friend.

As i've already pointed out, i've had it happen to me twice, also dated my best mates ex (funnily enough she was one of the ones who also did it to me), there was no issues around it.

Have also said "I don't like Lyon" several times

Might be time to put on the reading glasses sport, apparently you haven't done any prior to posting

 

[Toump Ass]

As I said, it's happened to me

Really? Your work colleague of 15+ years who was also your best friend had a relationship with the woman you married and fathered two children with?

How did the ("fully grown up") kids cope with that?

Do they call your mate "Dad"?

Edit: IT'S HAPPENED TO YOU TWICE? Jesus mate... you need to get better friends!

 

[DemonTim]

Really? Your work colleague of 15+ years who was also your best friend had a relationship with the woman you married and fathered two children with?

How did the ("fully grown up") kids cope with that?

Do they call your mate "Dad"?

Edit: IT'S HAPPENED TO YOU TWICE? Jesus mate... you need to get better friends!

Sorry I didn't realise we were speaking 100% literally, assumed context and basic english ability would help people. I'll rephrase for you though: a similar thing has happened to me twice. Is that better? Wasn't the whole point that "derr a mate shouldn't eva hook up with a mates ex, gaz is a dog"

 

[thejester]

True, that said some media types are starting to roll on him, saying that he's lived the high life taking advantage of others misfortune.

So should he accept that now?

Yeah. Like I don't see him having a mental illness and him acknowledging that his actions have hurt others as mutually exclusive.

 

[vicpride]

Sorry I didn't realise we were speaking 100% literally, assumed context and basic english ability would help people. I'll rephrase for you though: a similar thing has happened to me twice. Is that better? Wasn't the whole point that "derr a mate shouldn't eva hook up with a mates ex, gaz is a dog"

Geez for someone not concerned by the issue you spend an awful lot of time telling everyone your view points through pathetic sarcasm.

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[DemonTim]

Geez for someone not concerned by the issue you spend an awful lot of time telling everyone your view points through pathetic sarcasm.

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I'm not concerned by what Gary and Bill do in their private lives, i'm responding to posters around why I don't feel it's an issue. 99% of my posts haven't been sarcastic at all, so not really sure where you're getting that...

 

[Toump Ass]

a similar thing has happened to me twice. Is that better?

You see, this is the whole point Tim.

Adult relationships are a little bit more complicated than your shitty experiences in high school.

There's quite a bit of difference between "hooking up with a mate's ex" and starting a relationship with someone who was married and had a family with your best friend.

It's a fairly basic concept and I'm not sure why you don't understand it.

Sorry I didn't realise we were speaking 100% literally

Only when it suits you, apparently.

 

[vicpride]

I'm not concerned by what Gary and Bill do in their private lives, i'm responding to posters around why I don't feel it's an issue. 99% of my posts haven't been sarcastic at all, so not really sure where you're getting that...

You care enough to explain your personal history regarding dating friends ex partners so really your participation in the conversation has reached beyond its nobody's business to bill is jealous. hilarious

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[DemonTim]

You see, this is the whole point Tim.

Adult relationships are a little bit more complicated than your shitty experiences in high school.

There's quite a bit of difference between "hooking up with a mate's ex" and starting a relationship with someone who was married and had a family with your best friend.

It's a fairly basic concept and I'm not sure why you don't understand it.

Only when it suits you, apparently.

What have I taken as 100% literal?

Lol, you're definitely showing how good your point is by belittiling my experience i'd say living together and dating for 5 years is a bit more than "shitty experiences in high school". What is the quota for when it's an adult relationship? When is the point that I can react badly as you're saying Bill should? Or doesn't any experience that doesn't agree with your ideals matter? Confirmation bias much?