Status in Question Tony Armstrong and the ABC

[Dan]

You drongo.

Its not actually hard to acknowledge that for most of us, we're living in a contender for the most fortunate society of people in the history of the world, while also acknowledging that for many people, particularly ones of indigenous descent, its difficult to just accept they should suck up intergenerational trauma resulting from having their land dispossessed and their ancestors massacred.

It just takes being able to see the world in more than black and white.

Even if I agreed with ^this^ sentiment....does that make today's Australians racist?

 

[Makeshift Park]

Even if I agreed with ^this^ sentiment....does that make today's Australians racist?

I would say when people dismiss intergenerational trauma resulting from dispossession and genocide by trivialising the need to reconcile and bridge the gap, that's a form of racism, yeah

Also look at the disproportionate over-representation of whiteys in positions of power and influence in this country. What do you put that down to? Genetic superiority?

 

[Dan]

I would say when people dismiss intergenerational trauma resulting from dispossession and genocide by trivialising the need to reconcile and bridge the gap, that's a form of racism, yeah

My parents & grandparents left their homeland due an on going civil war. I'm talking about immediate members of my family, not ancestors from a 100/200 years ago.

Where's my trauma?

You don't think lots of other Australian people could speak to such things about their parents/grandparents/ancestors?

The point is they don't.....they live in the best country in the world and they go about their lives.

Unlike that grifter that this thread is about.

 

[HairyO]

I would say when people dismiss intergenerational trauma resulting from dispossession and genocide by trivialising the need to reconcile and bridge the gap, that's a form of racism, yeah

Also look at the disproportionate over-representation of whiteys in positions of power and influence in this country. What do you put that down to? Genetic superiority?

200-ish countries in the world. Where do you rank us for racism? 1 being the most, 200 being the least.

You want to say top 20, dont you.

 

[Makeshift Park]

My parents & grandparents left their homeland due an on going civil war. I'm talking about immediate members of my family, not ancestors from a 100/200 years ago.

Where's my trauma?

I dunno buddy. You tell me. I'm not gonna pretend to be a Dan expert in the Tony Armstrong thread.

You don't think lots of other Australian people could speak to such things about their parents/grandparents/ancestors?

Absolutely they could.

Hence my wording... "for many people, particularly ones of indigenous descent, its difficult to just accept..."

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Show me on the doll where the very popular First Nations person hurt you.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

My parents & grandparents left their homeland due an on going civil war. I'm talking about immediate members of my family, not ancestors from a 100/200 years ago.

Where's my trauma?

You don't think lots of other Australian people could speak to such things about their parents/grandparents/ancestors?

The point is they don't.....they live in the best country in the world and they go about their lives.

Unlike that grifter that this thread is about.

What a load of shit this comparison is.

You’re quite literally taking about people so oppressed by a government/culture they decided to move countries, yet you’re dismissing First Nations people who still live under rule of the very same people who stole, r*ped and murdered their grand parents and great grandparents, while being treated like second class citizens and told to “get over it”.

 

[Dan]

What a load of shit this comparison is.

You’re quite literally taking about people so oppressed by a government/culture they decided to move countries, yet you’re dismissing First Nations people who still live under rule of the very same people who stole, r*ped and murdered their grand parents and great grandparents, while being treated like second class citizens and told to “get over it”.

You think the person this thread is about gets treated like a second class citizen?

Tell ya what sunshine…why don’t you have the humility and balls to have this chat with a Jewish person who’s family had to go through the atrocities of The Holocaust and ask them how they feel about their place in todays society due to on going protests and war in the Middle East.

 

[Dan]

****en hawthorn supporter of all people.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You think the person this thread is about gets treated like a second class citizen?

Tell ya what sunshine…why don’t you have the humility and balls to have this chat with a Jewish person who’s family had to go through the atrocities of The Holocaust and ask them how they feel about their place in todays society due to on going protests and war in the Middle East.

Of course I would, because I’m not the hypocrite saying one group of people’s hurt cancels out what First Nations people have had thrown at them for 200 years.

 

[Dan]

Of course I would, because I’m not the hypocrite saying one group of people’s hurt cancels out what First Nations people have had thrown at them for 200 years.

You’re missing the point but that tends to happen when people morally gloat.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You’re missing the point but that tends to happen when people morally gloat.

No, I’m not missing the point at all.

You’re quite literally declaring people had to deal with Genocide by moving to the other side of the world to move on, while also telling me that many First Nations people who still don’t know who their grandparents are shouldn’t be hurt by the perpetuation of those systems and all the oppressive and ignorant crap that comes with it in modern Australia.

 

[WillHayward]

Well this thread is going as expected

 

[Cyclops]

No, I’m not missing the point at all.

You’re quite literally declaring people had to deal with Genocide by moving to the other side of the world to move on, while also telling me that many First Nations people who still don’t know who their grandparents are shouldn’t be hurt by the perpetuation of those systems and all the oppressive and ignorant crap that comes with it in modern Australia.

Sad to say this thread has a whiff of " poke the indigenous bloke". How dare he...what? Change jobs? Earn a living? Not be persecuted in the Holocaust? Not be born 200 years ago so he could be genocided?

These people are tying themselves in knots to be offended by Armstrong. Pretty bloody sad.

 

[AvantGardener]

Sad to say this thread has a whiff of " poke the indigenous bloke". How dare he...what? Change jobs? Earn a living? Not be persecuted in the Holocaust? Not be born 200 years ago so he could be genocided?

These people are tying themselves in knots to be offended by Armstrong. Pretty bloody sad.

That's good progress then I feel. Narrative used to about people not having having jobs at all.

 

[errant bounce]

He's now on The Project (a lot) and apparently has an upcoming show with the ABC. what's interesting is the headline: Daily Mail are dirty dirty dogs and love to insinuate; them saying he had an 'ugly split' in the headline says a bit. they're good at avoiding libel and do it in some very interesting ways.

He also said Australia was 'built off the back of slavery' which is not really true. Indigenous people had a shithouse time and there were definitely a lot of examples of slavery, but his choice of word and their connotations are more associated with the United States than Australia.

I understand his pain of his people but I get the feeling Tony will leverage a lot of this while not doing all that much for the people he is representing. dyed caps and 16 dollar pints on the juncture of Brunswick and Johnston streets aren't especially part of the advocation of the Indigenous plight.

 

[Cyclops]

He's now on The Project (a lot) and apparently has an upcoming show with the ABC. what's interesting is the headline: Daily Mail are dirty dirty dogs and love to insinuate; them saying he had an 'ugly split' in the headline says a bit. they're good at avoiding libel and do it in some very interesting ways.

He also said Australia was 'built off the back of slavery' which is not really true. Indigenous people had a shithouse time and there were definitely a lot of examples of slavery, but his choice of word and their connotations are more associated with the United States than Australia.

I understand his pain of his people but I get the feeling Tony will leverage a lot of this while not doing all that much for the people he is representing. dyed caps and 16 dollar pints on the juncture of Brunswick and Johnston streets aren't especially part of the advocation of the Indigenous plight.

Yep Murdoch media are filth, in many ways the worst of a bad lot.

The bit about slavery is technically true. We're a creation of the British Empire, which was built on slavery. The vast expansion of the British Empire in the 17th and 18th centuries was overwhelmingly paid for by the Atlantic triangle trade, the profits from sugar and alcohol were colossal, and the work on the plantations was done by African slaves.

When the Poms banned slavery it their empire they retained "indentured labour" which is slavery with extra steps. Oh and slavery kept going in "allied" states in India Brazil USA etc so they got the profits without the guilt .

Its a credit to the Poms they did ban slavery, but they made it worth their own while first.

Australia had instances of local slavery too: indigenous people were enslaved by being forced onto mission stations and made to labour there: it was often pointless work meant to "civilise" them but it was slavery nonetheless. The bit where they forced girls to work as maids on cattle stations away from their families was pretty sick, just a part of the whole shebang but makes me livid. "Indentured labour", its not slavery if you turn your moral compass off.

They were also widely coerced and abused into sexual slavery. NSW was an open air prison, we dropped some scum into a local community and when they weren't sodmising each other the prisoners and guards ran amok with the locals.

We brought pacific islanders here as slaves too, that was a mix of old fashioned slavery and "indentured labour" too.

Did that "build Australia"? A bit. In a very real sense coerced labour (convict labour and coerced indigenous people) was at the foundation of NSW, where the story of Australia as a polity begins. So slavery is at the foundation of Australia, and we built on that, but its fair to say we weren't built by slavery. The convict colonies were an economic failure, it was the capitalists in the Sydney hinterland, in Tassie and Victoria that set Australia booming.

The Union movement was actually at the forefront of anti slavery activity and for "White Australia" too, because they wanted paid jobs for members and to stop the mass import of African and other slaves.

Armstrong's allowed to be a filthy journo if he wants (I'm not at all fond of journos, almost all scum in my experience), we can't all be good people. The fact he is getting stick for nothing is typical race baiting by Murdoch, who is a foreigner and a meddler and a dog.