Unsolved Madeleine McCann * Current Trial of Main Suspect Christian Brueckner

[Kurve]

Which means it can't be used in court but otherwise still plays a significant role in identifying the perp and the crime. That is what we have here. Extremely persuasive evidence of what happened and by whom. You don't then say let's ignore that and look elsewhere.

I disagree. The DNA I'm not even curious about, it's just an irritating distraction and while the dog's signals are mildly interesting there's a heap of reasons why they might have had a bad day, including mishandling.

 

[BonzaRam]

I am trying get my head around something here. The cry being referred to was on the 1st of May going by Mrs Fenn's statement, what significance does that have in regards to an abduction on the 3rd of May?

Also, on the 3rd of May The McCanns returned to the apartment and that was when Mrs Fenn heard the shouting and then spoke to Gerry from over the balcony. So from that we learn that by just after 22.30 the police were on the way there...
Are you suggesting ARB that the police didn't search the apartment that night? Or that the McCanns had already rented another flat with a freezer that night before the police arrived ?
Being that is was, at the time, one of the most covered (and scrutinised) cases across the world and that the police for a few days at least would have been either with or monitoring them when exactly was the cadaver snuck out? and in what was it carried in to this flat?, it wasn't the rental car because it wasn't delivered until the 27th of May and there is map of all tower pings from their mobiles whilst using the car anyway.

Also curious as to why it took almost 2 months to get a statement from one of the most important witnesses in the case.

 

[Kurve]

Honestly, how good at being criminals do you think the McCann’s are?

They manage to;
Murder Maddie
Relocate the body
Store the body for weeks
Move the body to a rental car
Drive to rental car to some location
Bury the body in a location that never been found.

All of this, without anyone noticing. Then, they manage to never crack despite over a decade of intense public scrutiny.

They all - apparently - are assisted in all of this by the U.K. Government for <reasons>.

Perhaps, there’s a 94% chance you’re not applying any logic whatsoever and don’t have nearly the intelligence you think you do to be making these grandiose statements of fact.

It's because they're wealthy, highly educated but naive health care professionals who are accustomed to telling other people what to do and they snap to it, have always lived in the best suburbs with zero street cred or experience imo that this happened to them.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Amarale has made a statement after his win saying that they are still suspects.



He will now be able to demand a costs order for that win.

And that's probably a little more than 94% certain

All the while poor old Christian is saying........."what win". lol. Really sharp that one

 

[Kurve]

Amarale has made a statement after his win saying that they are still suspects.



He will now be able to demand a costs order for that win.

And that's probably a little more than 94% certain

All the while poor old Christian is saying........."what win". lol. Really sharp that one

How can he claim costs when they weren't suing him personally but the system?

 

[Kurve]

Amarale is starting to wear thin, he's being framed and headlining as 'gloating'. The McCanns arguido status was lifted by the Portuguese in 2008, so he's lying in calling them suspects and will continue to expoloit Madeleine's abduction and likely murder to sell books regardless of who he hurts.

What a creep.

Gloating Portuguese cop says the McCanns 'are still suspects' in the disappearance of Madeleine hours after the family lose libel legal battle against his book​

Portuguese cop says McCann parents 'are still suspects' over Madeleine

Goncalo Amaral laid into Gerry and Kate in a radio interview in his native country after learning they had lost the latest round of their libel battle against his 2008 book.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Angry Red Bull]

How can he claim costs when they weren't suing him personally but the system?

It was a claim for defamation/ libel which initially succeeded then appealed to highest court in Portugal by Amarale and he won. The last appeal of that verdict was then by Mccann to EU human rights on basis that they infringed their rights and was unanimously thrown out.

Amarale has already received several costs orders for steps along the way paid my McCann from the fund. It's possible that Mccann pay both his own costs and legal costs of Amarale..That is common outcome.

It's also possible he now may claim that they interfered in the marketing of his book when they had bo right and may seek damages.

 

[Kurve]

It was a claim for defamation/ libel which initially succeeded then appealed to highest court in Portugal by Amarale and he won. The last appeal of that verdict was then by Mccann to EU human rights on basis that they infringed their rights and was unanimously thrown out.

Amarale has already received several costs orders for steps along the way paid my McCann from the fund. It's possible that Mccann pay both his own costs and legal costs of Amarale..That is common outcome.

It's also possible he now may claim that they interfered in the marketing of his book when they had bo right and may seek damages.

I don't blame the McCanns for doing what they can to fight him. It would be important to me too if I was them, not to let that record of his books go unchallenged, especially for my remaining children.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Honestly, how good at being criminals do you think the McCann’s are?

They manage to;
Murder Maddie
Relocate the body
Store the body for weeks
Move the body to a rental car
Drive to rental car to some location
Bury the body in a location that never been found.

All of this, without anyone noticing. Then, they manage to never crack despite over a decade of intense public scrutiny.

They all - apparently - are assisted in all of this by the U.K. Government for <reasons>.

Perhaps, there’s a 94% chance you’re not applying any logic whatsoever and don’t have nearly the intelligence you think you do to be making these grandiose statements of fact.

There seems to be a common theme. You seem to think I consider myself more intelligent when I don't. I make no claim to higher ground at all. That said I strongly believe in the famous poem of Marriane Williamson

"Our greatest Fear." Have a read. It might enlighten and empower

 

[Kurve]

What Australian TV show are they talking about, does anybody know? Also LOL at the claim MI5 was involved in the cover up to protect the McCanns.

Since the book was published Amaral has made further claims in controversial media interviews.

He said on Australian TV show Sunday Night that MI5 "for sure had an involvement" either by helping to hide Maddie's body or covering up the alleged crime.

He also suggested Madeleine’s body could be hidden in a well on Praia da Luz.

Just days later he told a Portuguese TV documentary he believes Madeleine was cremated in a church near where she vanished and the McCanns prayed in the first days of the search for her daughter.

Who is Goncalo Amaral? Ex-detective involved in Madeleine McCann case

MADELEINE McCann’s parents have lost a libel battle against a former policeman that accused them of being involved in their daughter’s disappearance. So who is former detective Goncalo …

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[faible]

There seems to be a common theme. You seem to think I consider myself more intelligent when I don't. I make no claim to higher ground at all. That said I strongly believe in the famous poem of Marriane Williamson

"Our greatest Fear." Have a read. It might enlighten and empower

Well that’s a lie, you often pontificate about how widely read you are, how good you are with quantitative analysis, and how everything you say is a fact, despite never providing any kind of sources for your claims.

It’s very much what a typical conspiracy theorist does - make a heap of unsubstantiated claims then demand others dO yOuR oWn ReSeArCh.

 

[johnymac1]

No, I don't believe the Tapas staff ordered them back to their rooms to check on Madeleine. It defies logic in the circumstances.

I understand that through their inquiries the police found a neighbour who heard crying at some point, why is that odd when most of the apartments surrounding the McCanns had small children in them?

That was Mrs Fenn in the Apartment above.

this from police files, a summary of her statement

"Being of British nationality and in spite of living in Portugal, does not have knowledge of the Portuguese language in its oral and written form, therefore a police interpreter is present, UEVE VAN LOOCK. Thus, according to the facts noted in the files, she says that she has lived in the apartment since 2003, which is located on the upper floor, immediately above the room from which the child disappeared.

She also refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

When questioned, she said that she did not know the cause of the crying, perhaps a nightmare or another destabilising factor.
As soon as the parents entered the child stopped crying.
That night she contacted a friend called EDNA GLYN, who also lives in Praia da Luz, after 23.00, telling her about the situation, who was not surprised at the childs crying.
She did not have anything to report for the 2nd May, because she was only home at night.
On the 3rd May she received a visit from her niece Carole during the morning, who said that when she was on her terrace she saw a male individual looking into the McCanns apartment, situation which has been told to the police, her family member even made a photo fit"

During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out ?we have let her down? which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30."

She states that, apart from the screaming of the mother, she saw many people
on the streets in search of the child. She also refers to an episode in which GERRY
spoke to a policeman (she doesn't know what kind of police force) claiming more officers were needed to proceed to the search


When asked, she replied that on 3rd May she did not hear any noise from the McCann apartment, not even the opening of doors. She also said that before hearing the shouts she was watching television, as she often stays up late.

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children. She said that the family would spend much time outside of the apartment and therefore she did not notice their presence.
She said that until that night she had never spoken to the McCann's, because up until the 3rd May, she only sometimes saw them walking in the street. She never saw them with any vehicle.
She also said that she never told the McCann's that she had heard their daughter crying previously on 1st May because she thought it would just increase their suffering.

When questioned she said that she never saw any strange person or action before or after the event. She claims however, that a week previously she was the victim of an attempted robbery, which was not successful and neither was anything taken, thinking that the crying of the child could be linked to another attempted robbery in the residence.

Having read and approved the statement, she signs, together with the interpreter.

 

[Kurve]

That was Mrs Fenn in the Apartment above.

this from police files, a summary of her statement

I've read it and linked it in above drawing attention to the date her statement was taken.

 

[bomberclifford]

What Australian TV show are they talking about, does anybody know?

Didn't 60mins do a thing on this case?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS
TIMELINE INFORMATION

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This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law

TIME LINE THEORY



"Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine, Ocean Club guest S.C. and his wife left the Tapas bar to go home: "We walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine's disappearance".

At 21H20, Executive Chef A. E. G. F. P. heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared.

At around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;

Property manager B. J. J. W. heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P.B., a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine. He then went to the place where the events occurred which was at about 21.45 - 21.50. At this time various local people and MW staff were present. When questioned he said that the police had not yet arrived and that about 5 minutes had passed.

Dinner finished at around 21H45 and some minutes passed where waiter R. A.E D. L. O. looked towards the table but saw no one - his colleague told him that all the guests of that table left rapidly and abruptly. He remembers having heard shouts in the direction of the McCann apartment;

Between 21.30 and 22: Fitness instructor/Waiter J. R. S. went over to the table and joked with (Diane Webster): "They've left you alone?" She responded more of less with these words: "No, they went to see if the little girl was there." I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine's father, running to the pool and to the children's play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Millennium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

Approx. 21.55 pm The Smith Family, (4 adults and 5 children) are returning from 'Kelly's Bar', heading north, all spread out along the street and they pass a man walking down the middle of the street, carrying a child, with the head against his left shoulder and the arms hanging down alongside the body, in light colored or pink pyjamas, bare feet, pale skin typical of British and blond, shoulder-length hair; the girl is about 3-4 years old, about 1 metre tall. - The man is not dressed like a tourist; he's wearing cream or beige trousers, classic cut, of linen or cotton. He is white, 30-35 yrs, 1.70-1.80 meters tall, average build, physically fit, short, brown hair, with a face that looks tanned. (GA)

M. M. M. d. S. declares that on the night 03-05-07, she left the apartment at around 21H58 - she remembers the exact time because she asked her friend the time and she responded after checking this on the telephone in the lounge;

. They left the building and the deponent and her boyfriend took the Opel Frontera, previously indicated, which was parked out front of the apartment, in the private parking area of Block 6 where her friend's apartment was located;

. She declares that the night was good with a breeze, and that it was dark;

. After leaving Block 6, they turned right and after left, passing in front of the block occupied by the McCanns. She states that she saw no movement of people, and that in the immediate areas of the blocks she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;

She declares further that she mentioned this fact to her boyfriend and that it wasn't yet summer given the movement on the roads, and at that hour movement was nill;

. States that she looked at the exit of the apartment and that from the flat above the McCanns, she saw light, and also in from of the apartment, but she could not define, concretely, where she saw the light when she passed the McCann apartment;

. Next to the tree, she did not detect any movement of people or vehicles, and nothing struck her as abnormal in that zone that would have raised her suspicions;

Receptionist Ocean Club H. J. S. L. was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 21.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. He immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child's father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

Bar chef M. J. d. S. R. heard about it on that night at about 22.00 when an English tourist arrived at the Millennium restaurant to ask whether anyone had seen a lost little girl.

After 22:00 R. R. S. B. and his wife were still sitting on the veranda in the B. family apartment. They heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared. Gerald was seen and spoken to by N.B. and R.R.S.B. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on N.B.'s balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.

Between 22H00 and 22H30, waiter J. J. M. B. was in the kitchen, and was alerted, by a colleague, to the fact that a guest entered the restaurant screaming, and at this point, the entire group left in a panic; his colleague proceeded to tell him that the (screaming) individual indicated that a child had gone missing.

About 22.15 Owner of "Duque de Holanda" Bar J. O. W. was working in her bar when some employee who she cannot identify (but whom she knows works for Mark Warner) informed them that a girl had disappeared from the OC.

At about 22.17 Hotel manager E. L. K. received a call from L.J., the Crêche Manager, informing her that the girl had gone missing. She met L.J. and the Service Manager, A.T., near to the Tapas Bar and they initiated the "Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child".

Tennis coach D. J. S. knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because he was contacted by a resort worker having attended and partcipated in the searches.

Tennis coach G.L.J. knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because she lives in the same house as another OC worker and (s)he told her.

22.28 Manager J.H. gets a phone call from L.J., head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to his mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later J.H presented himself at the resort. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Head of Maintenance J. C. S. B. was informed about 22.30 by phone by the OC administrator, who had contacted his wife, S.B..

Manager G. R. C. arrived at 22H25 and there found J.H. and other functionaries, S.B., J.B., the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance; when he arrived at the Ocean Club, he went to the entry of the pool and the restaurant (Tapas) areas of said establishment, having there come across various individuals in the local, all of which were participating in the search for the lost child, and was made up of guests and other people;

At around 22h30, after having left the apartment where she is living, close to the establishment mentioned, together with two more colleagues, also residents there, whose name are Leanne and Sarah, nanny K. M. found her colleague Amy. That during their discussion she was informed that Madeleine McCann had disappeared and that they were looking for her. For this reason, together with her colleagues, they also began searching for Madeleine McCann.

Millennium waitress A. N. d. . heard about the events on the same day at about 22.30 when she was at the restaurant bar where she works, relaxing with her mother and sister. At that moment, a British individual, a tennis instructor entered the restaurant, and told them what had happened, and headed towards the interior of the space where the pool are, looking for the girl. She says that because she had had some alcoholic drinks, she was not in a condition to participate in the searches. However, her sister did take part in the searches, together with her boyfriend.

Just after 22.30 upstairs neighbor Mrs. F. heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs. F. asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios.


****************************

I've truncated the PJ timeline to only include Tapas and third party witnesses of timeline and with a reason. The conventional story is that there were multiple visits of Tapas 9 members culminating in KM returning at or after 10 and alerting to the abduction. The third party witnesses start with Mr & Mrs SC who first heard a faint cry for Madelaine at 9.15.pm. The executive Chef who started his shift at 9.10 only 10 min later heard commotion and realized that the problem was a missing child shortly thereafter. Would he have mistaken 1 hr for 10 minutes? No. Tapas staff said collectively they only witnessed two males from the group leave and no females and return, one for 15 min and one for 30 min. The Latter would have been GM. Wilkins said he saw GM somewhere between 8.45 and 9.15. GM said 9.15. Given the first cry out occurred at 9.15 and alarm occurred at 9.20 I'd say definitely an earlier time. Of course that is problematic too. They started dinner at 8.30. would he have gone for a child visit at 8.45?.....15 mins later. The table was fully cleared by 9.45pm. Webster was the last to leave several noticed her and one even spoke to her before 10pm making a quip about them leaving her alone and she responded that a child was missing

What does this tell us? And What is it's importance? It tells us that the Tanner visit may not have happened, nor the Oldfield visit. It also suggests that GM came and got KM and returned to the unit and for the all the table except Webster shortly follow. ( That sequence was the testimony of one of the staff).

The Tanner sighting of the local abductor was what was relied upon for identifying a potential perp. If it can't be corroborated then neither can the sighting. Likewise if the whole dinner and setting the alarm was totally finished by 9.45pm then GM can't have been at the table when KM returned at 10pm. That time is of course when a clan of 4 Smith family saw a Gerry Mccann lookalike about 6 minutes walk away and carrying a child. It the dinner was finished by 9.45 and it's a 6 min walk away.......

One interesting point was that the exec chef I think ran into GM in the pool area adjacent to Tapas. He was looking for MM there and around the play area. That occurred between 9.30 and 10pm....more likely 9.30 I'd say. Question? If the child was dead and behind the lounge at 9.20pm why on earth was GM searching for her after that time and before carrying her to meet Smiths in back street at 10? Perhaps they didn't realize it initially

As far as Brueckner Is concerned it's suggested the phone call to his female acquaintance within OC ran from 7.32 to 8.02. Dinner started at 8.30. If GM met Wilkins for 7-10 min at 8.45. it leaves about a 10 min window before and 20 min period after total time for him to snatch MM..The Chef made mention of a blue car parked there when he arrived and was gone after 9.30app.

 

[faible]

OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS
TIMELINE INFORMATION

Sitemap

This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law

TIME LINE THEORY



"Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine, Ocean Club guest S.C. and his wife left the Tapas bar to go home: "We walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine's disappearance".

At 21H20, Executive Chef A. E. G. F. P. heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared.

At around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;

Property manager B. J. J. W. heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P.B., a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine. He then went to the place where the events occurred which was at about 21.45 - 21.50. At this time various local people and MW staff were present. When questioned he said that the police had not yet arrived and that about 5 minutes had passed.

Dinner finished at around 21H45 and some minutes passed where waiter R. A.E D. L. O. looked towards the table but saw no one - his colleague told him that all the guests of that table left rapidly and abruptly. He remembers having heard shouts in the direction of the McCann apartment;

Between 21.30 and 22: Fitness instructor/Waiter J. R. S. went over to the table and joked with (Diane Webster): "They've left you alone?" She responded more of less with these words: "No, they went to see if the little girl was there." I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine's father, running to the pool and to the children's play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Millennium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

Approx. 21.55 pm The Smith Family, (4 adults and 5 children) are returning from 'Kelly's Bar', heading north, all spread out along the street and they pass a man walking down the middle of the street, carrying a child, with the head against his left shoulder and the arms hanging down alongside the body, in light colored or pink pyjamas, bare feet, pale skin typical of British and blond, shoulder-length hair; the girl is about 3-4 years old, about 1 metre tall. - The man is not dressed like a tourist; he's wearing cream or beige trousers, classic cut, of linen or cotton. He is white, 30-35 yrs, 1.70-1.80 meters tall, average build, physically fit, short, brown hair, with a face that looks tanned. (GA)

M. M. M. d. S. declares that on the night 03-05-07, she left the apartment at around 21H58 - she remembers the exact time because she asked her friend the time and she responded after checking this on the telephone in the lounge;

. They left the building and the deponent and her boyfriend took the Opel Frontera, previously indicated, which was parked out front of the apartment, in the private parking area of Block 6 where her friend's apartment was located;

. She declares that the night was good with a breeze, and that it was dark;

. After leaving Block 6, they turned right and after left, passing in front of the block occupied by the McCanns. She states that she saw no movement of people, and that in the immediate areas of the blocks she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;

She declares further that she mentioned this fact to her boyfriend and that it wasn't yet summer given the movement on the roads, and at that hour movement was nill;

. States that she looked at the exit of the apartment and that from the flat above the McCanns, she saw light, and also in from of the apartment, but she could not define, concretely, where she saw the light when she passed the McCann apartment;

. Next to the tree, she did not detect any movement of people or vehicles, and nothing struck her as abnormal in that zone that would have raised her suspicions;

Receptionist Ocean Club H. J. S. L. was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 21.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. He immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child's father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

Bar chef M. J. d. S. R. heard about it on that night at about 22.00 when an English tourist arrived at the Millennium restaurant to ask whether anyone had seen a lost little girl.

After 22:00 R. R. S. B. and his wife were still sitting on the veranda in the B. family apartment. They heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared. Gerald was seen and spoken to by N.B. and R.R.S.B. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on N.B.'s balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.

Between 22H00 and 22H30, waiter J. J. M. B. was in the kitchen, and was alerted, by a colleague, to the fact that a guest entered the restaurant screaming, and at this point, the entire group left in a panic; his colleague proceeded to tell him that the (screaming) individual indicated that a child had gone missing.

About 22.15 Owner of "Duque de Holanda" Bar J. O. W. was working in her bar when some employee who she cannot identify (but whom she knows works for Mark Warner) informed them that a girl had disappeared from the OC.

At about 22.17 Hotel manager E. L. K. received a call from L.J., the Crêche Manager, informing her that the girl had gone missing. She met L.J. and the Service Manager, A.T., near to the Tapas Bar and they initiated the "Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child".

Tennis coach D. J. S. knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because he was contacted by a resort worker having attended and partcipated in the searches.

Tennis coach G.L.J. knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because she lives in the same house as another OC worker and (s)he told her.

22.28 Manager J.H. gets a phone call from L.J., head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to his mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later J.H presented himself at the resort. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Head of Maintenance J. C. S. B. was informed about 22.30 by phone by the OC administrator, who had contacted his wife, S.B..

Manager G. R. C. arrived at 22H25 and there found J.H. and other functionaries, S.B., J.B., the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance; when he arrived at the Ocean Club, he went to the entry of the pool and the restaurant (Tapas) areas of said establishment, having there come across various individuals in the local, all of which were participating in the search for the lost child, and was made up of guests and other people;

At around 22h30, after having left the apartment where she is living, close to the establishment mentioned, together with two more colleagues, also residents there, whose name are Leanne and Sarah, nanny K. M. found her colleague Amy. That during their discussion she was informed that Madeleine McCann had disappeared and that they were looking for her. For this reason, together with her colleagues, they also began searching for Madeleine McCann.

Millennium waitress A. N. d. . heard about the events on the same day at about 22.30 when she was at the restaurant bar where she works, relaxing with her mother and sister. At that moment, a British individual, a tennis instructor entered the restaurant, and told them what had happened, and headed towards the interior of the space where the pool are, looking for the girl. She says that because she had had some alcoholic drinks, she was not in a condition to participate in the searches. However, her sister did take part in the searches, together with her boyfriend.

Just after 22.30 upstairs neighbor Mrs. F. heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs. F. asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios.


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I've truncated the PJ timeline to only include Tapas and third party witnesses of timeline and with a reason. The conventional story is that there were multiple visits of Tapas 9 members culminating in KM returning at or after 10 and alerting to the abduction. The third party witnesses start with Mr & Mrs SC who first heard a faint cry for Madelaine at 9.15.pm. The executive Chef who started his shift at 9.10 only 10 min later heard commotion and realized that the problem was a missing child shortly thereafter. Would he have mistaken 1 hr for 10 minutes? No. Tapas staff said collectively they only witnessed two males from the group leave and no females and return, one for 15 min and one for 30 min. The Latter would have been GM. Wilkins said he saw GM somewhere between 8.45 and 9.15. GM said 9.15. Given the first cry out occurred at 9.15 and alarm occurred at 9.20 I'd say definitely an earlier time. Of course that is problematic too. They started dinner at 8.30. would he have gone for a child visit at 8.45?.....15 mins later. The table was fully cleared by 9.45pm. Webster was the last to leave several noticed her and one even spoke to her before 10pm making a quip about them leaving her alone and she responded that a child was missing

What does this tell us? And What is it's importance? It tells us that the Tanner visit may not have happened, nor the Oldfield visit. It also suggests that GM came and got KM and returned to the unit and for the all the table except Webster shortly follow. ( That sequence was the testimony of one of the staff).

The Tanner sighting of the local abductor was what was relied upon for identifying a potential perp. If it can't be corroborated then neither can the sighting. Likewise if the whole dinner and setting the alarm was totally finished by 9.45pm then GM can't have been at the table when KM returned at 10pm. That time is of course when a clan of 4 Smith family saw a Gerry Mccann lookalike about 6 minutes walk away and carrying a child. It the dinner was finished by 9.45 and it's a 6 min walk away.......

One interesting point was that the exec chef I thing ran into GM in the pool area adjacent to Tapas. He was looking for MM there abd around the play area. That occurred between 9.30 and 10pm....more likely 9.30 I'd say. Question? If the child was dead and behind the lounge at 9.20pm why on earth was GM searching for her after that time and before carrying her to meet Smiths in back street at 10?

That’s a lot of text you’ve copy and pasted without providing a source there.

 

[BonzaRam]

OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS
TIMELINE INFORMATION

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This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law

TIME LINE THEORY



"Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine, Ocean Club guest S.C. and his wife left the Tapas bar to go home: "We walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine's disappearance".

At 21H20, Executive Chef A. E. G. F. P. heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared.

At around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;

Property manager B. J. J. W. heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P.B., a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine. He then went to the place where the events occurred which was at about 21.45 - 21.50. At this time various local people and MW staff were present. When questioned he said that the police had not yet arrived and that about 5 minutes had passed.

Dinner finished at around 21H45 and some minutes passed where waiter R. A.E D. L. O. looked towards the table but saw no one - his colleague told him that all the guests of that table left rapidly and abruptly. He remembers having heard shouts in the direction of the McCann apartment;

Between 21.30 and 22: Fitness instructor/Waiter J. R. S. went over to the table and joked with (Diane Webster): "They've left you alone?" She responded more of less with these words: "No, they went to see if the little girl was there." I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine's father, running to the pool and to the children's play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Millennium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

Approx. 21.55 pm The Smith Family, (4 adults and 5 children) are returning from 'Kelly's Bar', heading north, all spread out along the street and they pass a man walking down the middle of the street, carrying a child, with the head against his left shoulder and the arms hanging down alongside the body, in light colored or pink pyjamas, bare feet, pale skin typical of British and blond, shoulder-length hair; the girl is about 3-4 years old, about 1 metre tall. - The man is not dressed like a tourist; he's wearing cream or beige trousers, classic cut, of linen or cotton. He is white, 30-35 yrs, 1.70-1.80 meters tall, average build, physically fit, short, brown hair, with a face that looks tanned. (GA)

M. M. M. d. S. declares that on the night 03-05-07, she left the apartment at around 21H58 - she remembers the exact time because she asked her friend the time and she responded after checking this on the telephone in the lounge;

. They left the building and the deponent and her boyfriend took the Opel Frontera, previously indicated, which was parked out front of the apartment, in the private parking area of Block 6 where her friend's apartment was located;

. She declares that the night was good with a breeze, and that it was dark;

. After leaving Block 6, they turned right and after left, passing in front of the block occupied by the McCanns. She states that she saw no movement of people, and that in the immediate areas of the blocks she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;

She declares further that she mentioned this fact to her boyfriend and that it wasn't yet summer given the movement on the roads, and at that hour movement was nill;

. States that she looked at the exit of the apartment and that from the flat above the McCanns, she saw light, and also in from of the apartment, but she could not define, concretely, where she saw the light when she passed the McCann apartment;

. Next to the tree, she did not detect any movement of people or vehicles, and nothing struck her as abnormal in that zone that would have raised her suspicions;

Receptionist Ocean Club H. J. S. L. was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 21.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. He immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child's father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

Bar chef M. J. d. S. R. heard about it on that night at about 22.00 when an English tourist arrived at the Millennium restaurant to ask whether anyone had seen a lost little girl.

After 22:00 R. R. S. B. and his wife were still sitting on the veranda in the B. family apartment. They heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared. Gerald was seen and spoken to by N.B. and R.R.S.B. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on N.B.'s balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.

Between 22H00 and 22H30, waiter J. J. M. B. was in the kitchen, and was alerted, by a colleague, to the fact that a guest entered the restaurant screaming, and at this point, the entire group left in a panic; his colleague proceeded to tell him that the (screaming) individual indicated that a child had gone missing.

About 22.15 Owner of "Duque de Holanda" Bar J. O. W. was working in her bar when some employee who she cannot identify (but whom she knows works for Mark Warner) informed them that a girl had disappeared from the OC.

At about 22.17 Hotel manager E. L. K. received a call from L.J., the Crêche Manager, informing her that the girl had gone missing. She met L.J. and the Service Manager, A.T., near to the Tapas Bar and they initiated the "Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child".

Tennis coach D. J. S. knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because he was contacted by a resort worker having attended and partcipated in the searches.

Tennis coach G.L.J. knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because she lives in the same house as another OC worker and (s)he told her.

22.28 Manager J.H. gets a phone call from L.J., head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to his mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later J.H presented himself at the resort. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child's name.

Head of Maintenance J. C. S. B. was informed about 22.30 by phone by the OC administrator, who had contacted his wife, S.B..

Manager G. R. C. arrived at 22H25 and there found J.H. and other functionaries, S.B., J.B., the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance; when he arrived at the Ocean Club, he went to the entry of the pool and the restaurant (Tapas) areas of said establishment, having there come across various individuals in the local, all of which were participating in the search for the lost child, and was made up of guests and other people;

At around 22h30, after having left the apartment where she is living, close to the establishment mentioned, together with two more colleagues, also residents there, whose name are Leanne and Sarah, nanny K. M. found her colleague Amy. That during their discussion she was informed that Madeleine McCann had disappeared and that they were looking for her. For this reason, together with her colleagues, they also began searching for Madeleine McCann.

Millennium waitress A. N. d. . heard about the events on the same day at about 22.30 when she was at the restaurant bar where she works, relaxing with her mother and sister. At that moment, a British individual, a tennis instructor entered the restaurant, and told them what had happened, and headed towards the interior of the space where the pool are, looking for the girl. She says that because she had had some alcoholic drinks, she was not in a condition to participate in the searches. However, her sister did take part in the searches, together with her boyfriend.

Just after 22.30 upstairs neighbor Mrs. F. heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs. F. asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios.


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I've truncated the PJ timeline to only include Tapas and third party witnesses of timeline and with a reason. The conventional story is that there were multiple visits of Tapas 9 members culminating in KM returning at or after 10 and alerting to the abduction. The third party witnesses start with Mr & Mrs SC who first heard a faint cry for Madelaine at 9.15.pm. The executive Chef who started his shift at 9.10 only 10 min later heard commotion and realized that the problem was a missing child shortly thereafter. Would he have mistaken 1 hr for 10 minutes? No. Tapas staff said collectively they only witnessed two males from the group leave and no females and return, one for 15 min and one for 30 min. The Latter would have been GM. Wilkins said he saw GM somewhere between 8.45 and 9.15. GM said 9.15. Given the first cry out occurred at 9.15 and alarm occurred at 9.20 I'd say definitely an earlier time. Of course that is problematic too. They started dinner at 8.30. would he have gone for a child visit at 8.45?.....15 mins later. The table was fully cleared by 9.45pm. Webster was the last to leave several noticed her and one even spoke to her before 10pm making a quip about them leaving her alone and she responded that a child was missing

What does this tell us? And What is it's importance? It tells us that the Tanner visit may not have happened, nor the Oldfield visit. It also suggests that GM came and got KM and returned to the unit and for the all the table except Webster shortly follow. ( That sequence was the testimony of one of the staff).

The Tanner sighting of the local abductor was what was relied upon for identifying a potential perp. If it can't be corroborated then neither can the sighting. Likewise if the whole dinner and setting the alarm was totally finished by 9.45pm then GM can't have been at the table when KM returned at 10pm. That time is of course when a clan of 4 Smith family saw a Gerry Mccann lookalike about 6 minutes walk away and carrying a child. It the dinner was finished by 9.45 and it's a 6 min walk away.......

One interesting point was that the exec chef I think ran into GM in the pool area adjacent to Tapas. He was looking for MM there and around the play area. That occurred between 9.30 and 10pm....more likely 9.30 I'd say. Question? If the child was dead and behind the lounge at 9.20pm why on earth was GM searching for her after that time and before carrying her to meet Smiths in back street at 10? Perhaps they didn't realize I initially

As far as Brueckner Is concerned it's suggested the phone call to his female acquaintance within OC ran from 7.32 to 8.02. Dinner started at 8.30. If GM met Wilkins for 7-10 min at 8.45. it leaves about a 10 min window before and 20 min period after total time for him to snatch MM..The Chef made mention of a blue car parked there when he arrived and was gone after 9.30app.

"The Tanner sighting of the local abductor was what was relied upon for identifying a potential perp. If it can't be corroborated then neither can the sighting."

You might want to read this one also.

P.J. POLICE FILES: SEQUENCE OF EVENTS: THURSDAY 3rd MAY 2007

mccannpjfiles.co.uk

" 2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed. she sees a man carrying a child in his arms crossing left to right from the apartment side continuing east along Rua A. da Silva in the direction of the "Millennium Restaurant." He was on the same side of the road as JT 5-10 metres ahead of her."

and this

P.J. POLICE FILES: JEREMY WILKINS DEPOSITION

mccannpjfiles.co.uk

"We returned to our apartment. We decided to spend the evening in, watching television. Our son was awake and unable to sleep.I decided to take him for a walk in his pram. I left about 8:15 to 8:30 pm. I was pushing the pram around the complex and went to the toilet near the bar. I could not see inside the restaurant. As I got the baby to sleep, I was on my way back to the apartment. I came out at the top road.
I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment. We spoke for a few minutes. He said you're on walking duty. I said I was staying in and pros and cons and what to do with the children.
He said that if he was staying two (2) weeks he may stay in one night'
I don't remember anyone else walking around with a child. The conversation lasted for about three (3) to five (5) minutes."

 

[BonzaRam]

"The Tanner sighting of the local abductor was what was relied upon for identifying a potential perp. If it can't be corroborated then neither can the sighting."

You might want to read this one also.

P.J. POLICE FILES: SEQUENCE OF EVENTS: THURSDAY 3rd MAY 2007

mccannpjfiles.co.uk

" 2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed. she sees a man carrying a child in his arms crossing left to right from the apartment side continuing east along Rua A. da Silva in the direction of the "Millennium Restaurant." He was on the same side of the road as JT 5-10 metres ahead of her."

and this

P.J. POLICE FILES: JEREMY WILKINS DEPOSITION

mccannpjfiles.co.uk

"We returned to our apartment. We decided to spend the evening in, watching television. Our son was awake and unable to sleep.I decided to take him for a walk in his pram. I left about 8:15 to 8:30 pm. I was pushing the pram around the complex and went to the toilet near the bar. I could not see inside the restaurant. As I got the baby to sleep, I was on my way back to the apartment. I came out at the top road.
I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment. We spoke for a few minutes. He said you're on walking duty. I said I was staying in and pros and cons and what to do with the children.
He said that if he was staying two (2) weeks he may stay in one night'
I don't remember anyone else walking around with a child. The conversation lasted for about three (3) to five (5) minutes."

and this one too...

P.J. POLICE FILES: JEREMY WILKINS ROGATORY

mccannpjfiles.co.uk

Edit: Another file to read

P.J. POLICE FILES: JANE TANNER'S STATEMENT 04 MAY 2008

mccannpjfiles.co.uk

 

[Angry Red Bull]

"The Tanner sighting of the local abductor was what was relied upon for identifying a potential perp. If it can't be corroborated then neither can the sighting."

You might want to read this one also.

P.J. POLICE FILES: SEQUENCE OF EVENTS: THURSDAY 3rd MAY 2007

mccannpjfiles.co.uk

" 2115: JT leaves table, and sees GM talking with fellow resident ("Jez" Wilkins) outside the patio gate of 5A. The two were standing just up the hill from the gate towards Rua A. da Silva Road. She did not speak to GM as she passed. she sees a man carrying a child in his arms crossing left to right from the apartment side continuing east along Rua A. da Silva in the direction of the "Millennium Restaurant." He was on the same side of the road as JT 5-10 metres ahead of her."

and this

P.J. POLICE FILES: JEREMY WILKINS DEPOSITION

mccannpjfiles.co.uk

"We returned to our apartment. We decided to spend the evening in, watching television. Our son was awake and unable to sleep.I decided to take him for a walk in his pram. I left about 8:15 to 8:30 pm. I was pushing the pram around the complex and went to the toilet near the bar. I could not see inside the restaurant. As I got the baby to sleep, I was on my way back to the apartment. I came out at the top road.
I met him near the stairs of a ground floor. There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment. We spoke for a few minutes. He said you're on walking duty. I said I was staying in and pros and cons and what to do with the children.
He said that if he was staying two (2) weeks he may stay in one night'
I don't remember anyone else walking around with a child. The conversation lasted for about three (3) to five (5) minutes."

Both GM and JW agree to have met at that back entrance or near. JT supposedly walked straight past them but wasn't seen by either. if I recall correctly the 'sighting' of the abductor was a late addition to her witness statement. It had the effect of distracting attention away from the Smith sighting which was dangerous to GM as having been sighted carrying a child and drove the investigation in an entirely different path. None of the tapas staff saw her leave and return. Sure staff get busy and miss things. Understood. That said given there is a crime involved here I would like to see corroboration. No one saw her leave the table or return. The people she walked past didn't see her, yet her witness account takes paramount importance as being the only person to have seen the abductor with MM..

GM wasn't there at the table for KM returning and giving the alarm AFTER 10pm because the table was cleared by 9.45..and the last 15-20 minutes Webster was alone there. At least per Tapas staff

I have misgivings about the time at which GM met JW corroborated by JT. Take JT out of it and you have JW saying could have been anywhere from 8.45 to 9.15. He left for his walk at 8.15. Exactly how long does it take to walk the grounds? An hour? 3-5 minutes for a talk. Ok he had a pram but still. A 30 min window is massive. If there was only one visit by GM or KM then that first visit is the critical one.

 

[Kurve]

Both GM and JW agree to have met at that back entrance or near. JT supposedly walked straight past them but wasn't seen by either. if I recall correctly the 'sighting' of the abductor was a late addition to her witness statement. It had the effect of distracting attention away from the Smith sighting which was dangerous to GM as having been sighted carrying a child and drove the investigation in an entirely different path. None of the tapas staff saw her leave and return. Sure staff get busy and miss things. Understood. That said given there is a crime involved here I would like to see corroboration. No one saw her leave the table or return. The people she walked past didn't see her, yet her witness account takes paramount importance as being the only person to have seen the abductor with MM..

The Smiths witness accounts describe a man so similar to the man Tanner saw, imo it's probably the same person carrying a sleeping female child with bare feet in pyjamas.

Tanner's account wasn't discounted until 2013 when a British man came forward to say it was him carrying his daughter from the night creche.

Every Madeleine McCann 'sighting' since her disappearance

Madeleine McCann went missing 15 years ago in Portugal and a number of potential 'sightings' have followed, but she has never been found

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

 

[Kurve]

This in Jeremy Wilkins statement is real interesting. Did they ever find the blonde haired 'rasta' man and the woman or the lookout, he was with?

Q. Relative to the exact location you met Gerry'
I left my apartment pushing my son's pram so that he could sleep. I did not have a particular direction to follow nor did I have a specific time to do this. I left the apartment and turned right. I walked via the lower street, looked to the building block where the McCann apartment was situated and saw a woman dressed in purple clothing. I referred to this woman in relation to the questions asked by Jane Tanner. At the next crossing, I turned right and continued on down the hill. At this point, I saw a man that was coming from the road and was headed to the reception. I believe that he was with a woman but I cannot be precise of any detail about her. It was a tall Caucasian man, with blonde hair in 'rasta style' tied with a band instead of free flowing. When I arrived, I headed to the WC near the pool area. He also was in the WC but appeared to be a taking a long time. I do not remember if he was still in that place when I left. I did not see a woman in that zone.

P.J. POLICE FILES: JEREMY WILKINS ROGATORY

mccannpjfiles.co.uk

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The Smiths witness accounts describe a man so similar to the man Tanner saw, imo it's probably the same person carrying a sleeping female child with bare feet in pyjamas.

Tanner's account wasn't discounted until 2013 when a British man came forward to say it was him carrying his daughter from the night creche.

Every Madeleine McCann 'sighting' since her disappearance

Madeleine McCann went missing 15 years ago in Portugal and a number of potential 'sightings' have followed, but she has never been found

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

My recollection was they were entirely different. I'll check again but I thought one was local the other was ie the GM lookalike wasn't. GM has light hair. The sketch is dark hair.

I doubt that the person coming forward years later solves the sighting even though it's suggested it may.

 

[Kurve]

My recollection was they were entirely different. I'll check again but I thought one was local the other was ie the GM lookalike wasn't. GM has light hair. The sketch is dark hair.

I doubt that the person coming forward years later solves the sighting even though it's suggested it may.

The Smith's all saw the same person but their witness accounts vary a bit.

Tanner has the man she saw in khaki pants like chinos, the Smiths as cream or beige cloth or cotton. Might be hard to tell under artificial lights at night.

The man who came forward and was identified as the person Jane Tanner saw I imagine would have been checked against records in the creche and his accommodations at the time.

Edit: I don't think it likely though, that any of them saw the person who abducted Madeleine. He was gone in to the shadows quickly imo and heading directly away from the Tapas Bar towards the carpark at the rear of the apartments.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The Smith's all saw the same person but their witness accounts vary a bit.

Tanner has the man she saw in khaki pants like chinos, the Smiths as cream or beige cloth or cotton. Might be hard to tell under artificial lights at night.

The man who came forward and was identified as the person Jane Tanner saw I imagine would have been checked against records in the creche and his accommodations at the time.

I checked all the holiday photos of GM. He owns such a pair of pants. Though a pretty common choice

 

[BonzaRam]

Both GM and JW agree to have met at that back entrance or near. JT supposedly walked straight past them but wasn't seen by either. if I recall correctly the 'sighting' of the abductor was a late addition to her witness statement. It had the effect of distracting attention away from the Smith sighting which was dangerous to GM as having been sighted carrying a child and drove the investigation in an entirely different path. None of the tapas staff saw her leave and return. Sure staff get busy and miss things. Understood. That said given there is a crime involved here I would like to see corroboration. No one saw her leave the table or return. The people she walked past didn't see her, yet her witness account takes paramount importance as being the only person to have seen the abductor with MM..

GM wasn't there at the table for KM returning and giving the alarm AFTER 10pm because the table was cleared by 9.45..and the last 15-20 minutes Webster was alone there. At least per Tapas staff

I have misgivings about the time at which GM met JW corroborated by JT. Take JT out of it and you have JW saying could have been anywhere from 8.45 to 9.15. He left for his walk at 8.15. Exactly how long does it take to walk the grounds? An hour? 3-5 minutes for a talk. Ok he had a pram but still. A 30 min window is massive. If there was only one visit by GM or KM then that first visit is the critical one.

Exactly how long does it take to walk the grounds?
Do mean how long does it take to get a child too sleep in a pram? he didn't just walk around the grounds, he also went to the dunny and walked around in circles for some time.

"After leaving the WC, I continued to walk around the back of the tennis court, and returned via the pathway opposite the pool in the Tapas complex. Whilst walking the streets, I was hoping my son would fall asleep. Some of the walkways did not have an exit and for this reason I walked practically in circles."