Unsolved Madeleine McCann

[faible]

See a counsellor.

Might want to consider your own advice given you’re so set in your own opinion that you’ll ignore all other information.

What a fun discussion this has been, you raising 15 year old talking points, everyone else ignoring you.

 

[johnymac1]

none too sure if they have to proceed to formal charges before the 15 years or just nominate him as aguardo

he hasn't been charged yet, MSM have jumped the gun again

 

[Kurve]

he hasn't been charged yet, MSM have jumped the gun again

It is significant though that the Portuguese are now working in with Germany. They're readying imo, for a prosecution.

 

[johnymac1]

then there is this Irish family. who state they saw a man carrying a small blonde child away from the resort.
Around 9.45pm 3rd of may 2007, He was seen carrying a child down some steps towards the sea.
You would think they were asked if CB matches their description of this dude?, so far the Smith family from Dublin hasn't been contacted.

 

[johnymac1]

It is significant though that the Portuguese are now working in with Germany. They're readying imo, for a prosecution.

certainly some thing is big is about to happen, our friends from Portugal have been tipped off.
I have no idea what's about to go down

 

[ep2018]

The bloke is in prison right now on another charge, the police are taking their time and I'm certain they have significant physical evidence against him.

Sick **** sexually assaulted a woman in her 80s and is also the prime suspect in a missing persons case involving an 8 year old girl.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

He has to be nominated as aguido before he can be charged. If Maddie died when she was abducted it means the aguido must be convicted before 3rd May. The van he used at the time is in police possession and being forensically examined. Crimes against minors that don't involve death can be prosecuted for up to 23 years not the 15 expiring on the 3rd.

His aguido status was put to him. His solicitor was present and they formally refused to answer any questions.

They already have phone evidence he was in the Algarve on the night. He was asked specifically if he wasn't involved in Maddie's abduction then where was he that night in the Algarve. It is also on record that he advised a criminal associate that he was responsible for Maddies abduction

They could be waiting on results of the Vans forensic examination which will be critical as to whether it progresses. The statute of limitations timeline is 15years from time of death of Maddie. So if they have evidence she remained alive after the abduction then the timeline is extended past 3rd may accordingly.

It's possible that aguido nomination is a tactical move as last ditch attempt to provoke a response before 3td may in the hope something is forthcoming and that the forensic examination hasn't provided further evidence.

Whatever way it plays out it's likely to play out quite quickly from here.

The prosecutor Mr Wolters has stated previously that he has evidence Maddie is dead. He has refused to state what that evidence is. There seems to be 3 possibilities

• an admission to a criminal associate he killed her
• amongst photos found in his van a picture of deceased Maddie
• Maddie's DNA inside his van

Alternative scenario:

They know he was in the Algarve that night. They have on record a reported burglary say for that night. They ask him if not abducting Maddie where he was on that night in the possibility they can dismiss him as aguido by confirming he was that burglar. He refuses to answer so they remain square one.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

It's long been speculated that the perp may have been a burglar who was also a sexual abuser of children. Here we have exactly that mix and in circumstances where the tapas 7 showed that children were left alone in unlocked premises by constantly returning to the glass door as entry.

 

[johnymac1]

It's long been speculated that the perp may have been a burglar who was also a sexual abuser of children. Here we have exactly that mix and in circumstances where the tapas 7 showed that children were left alone in unlocked premises by constantly returning to the glass door as entry.

I was only just looking at the crime scene photos, the SLR camera is still sitting on the table, the passports are sitting in a top draw.

the front sliding door was left unlocked but the rear carpark door was locked
The entry point the McCanns suggested, the side window. it is closed when the police photographer came though

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I was only just looking at the crime scene photos, the SLR camera is still sitting on the table, the passports are sitting in a top draw.

the front sliding door was left unlocked but the rear carpark door was locked
The entry point the McCanns suggested, the side window. it is closed when the police photographer came though

Yeah mate.

I'm convinced of my belief of what happened still. Help post re this guy but I really don't think it will progress to charge because he didn't do it imo

Listened again to the interviewer interview. It is Gerry that says

"Not nearly as bad as the night we found her"

They would argue faux paus. Leaving off the word 'missing' inadvertently but it changes the whole meaning of the phrase and that wouldn't be a faux paus like that. He just forgot the charade for a moment and acknowledged their grief at the find

Need to look again and find the version where it is slowed down and becomes entirely clear what was said. That is the best one. Me well I've listened to virtually all versions of it and have certainty what was said If I do I'll get my GF to help me link it for all to hear. It's not to evidence standard for court because they would claim faux paus but it's extremely incriminating admission of guilty knowledge

The problem is that a Portugese interpreter is talking over what Gerry says in English in Portugese...... But there is a momentary gap where you hear that phrase

This is very old research for me now. Refresh lol. I seem to recall that there is a phrase used in Kate's book that is incriminating too. I'll have a look there but the best is that Portugese interview

 

[johnymac1]

There was a small window of opportunity for a offender to run up the steps and snatch poor Maddie

Keep in mind, it didn't get dark until late in the PDL. it would take about 5 minutes to enter then exit the apartment

Witnesses in the area between 8 and 9.30 were many and include-

Julian Tottman, a Doctor from the UK who was fetching his own daughter from the creche, walking in the street about 9pm, did not report seeing Christian

Mrs Fenn, an elderly lady who lived in apartment above the McCanns, did not hear anything until 10pm, then heard commotion, did not go out

Tapas restaurant staff who came and went from the bar, exited into the road way, did not report seeing Christian
Various patrons and residents who passed the apartment block, did not report seeing Christian

Gez, Jeremy Wilkins, was out pushing a pram with his own child, out on the roadway between apartments, did not report seeing Christian
although talked to Gerry during one of his checks. Although reported seeing a man with dreadlocks peer into the tapas bar

Jane Tanner, part of the Tapas 9 who checked on the kids every 30 min, who reported seeing a man, but it ended up being Julian Tottman
David Payne, part of the Tapas 9 who checked on the kids every 30 min,
Mathew Oldfield part of the Tapas 9 who checked on the kids every 30 min,
Russel O'Brien, part of the Tapas 9 who checked on the kids every 30 min,
Gerry McCann. father, part of the Tapas 9 who checked on the kids every 30 min,
Kate McCann mother, part of the Tapas 9 who checked on the kids every 30 min

At one stage, more than one Tapas 9 was away from the table

The Creche was free until 11pm, between 11pm and 1am it was a paid service, provided by the resort, so why not use it?

 

[Kurve]

At least one of these witnesses appeared in the Netflix documentary.

Photos of German paedophile Christian Brueckner released yesterday match the description of a suspicious man spotted by people four times in Praia da Luz around May 3, 2007, when Maddie was taken.

And e-fit pictures of two men - who may actually be the same person - released by police in a 2013 appeal also share similarities to the suspect.


Holidaymakers and locals in the Portguese resort town who gave evidence to investigators 13 years ago talked about a 'blond male with a pockmarked face' who stalked the McCann's apartment block, but lead never generated any results.

Details suggest a blond man was seen at least three times in the vicinity of the apartment, the first being on April 30, 2007 — two days after the family arrived in Praia da Luz at the Ocean Club.

A man matching the suspect's description was seen in sunglasses at 8am staring at the apartment.

Man resembling Maddie suspect 'scouted the family's holiday apartment'

Photos of paedophile Christian Brueckner, 43, bear similarities to the description of a suspicious man spotted by people four times in Praia da Luz around May 3, 2007, when Maddie was taken.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[johnymac1]

Police Statements Translated from Portuguese. Taken from the Tapas Employees 04/05/2007

Police seemed to be asking if they saw a particular individual. Blonde Rastas. green shirt camo pants

The subject of conversation was the disappearance of little Madeline MCCAN, especially the behavior of the elements of the group that dined at that restaurant yesterday, which was partly made up of the parents of the missing child, as well as if [whether or not] they had seen an individual suspect, with a blonde "rastas" [hairstyle] in camouflage pants.

JERONIMO - bartender:

• He saw the missing Madeleine, for the last time, yesterday at 16.45h next to the restaurant;
• He did not notice if from the group of British citizens (in number 8 or 9) that yesterday dined in restaurant (which was partly made up of the parents of the missing [child]), someone left [absented themself] during such dinner;
• He saw a walkie talkie on top of the table of the group, [like] those that are used to monitor noises of children, from a distance;
• He did not see a person of blonde "rastas", while he was working last night.

STARIKOVA - kitchen assistant:

• Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes. After having returned, a woman whom she believed to be his wife, also left the table, there having passed a few moments, all the guests left the table in question, except one elderly lady, who told her [Svetlana's] colleagues that that child had disappeared.
• During the time that she was working yesterday (between 14:30 and 23:00) she did not see any individual with blonde "rastas".

MIGUEL - cook

• He did not know the missing or her parents, he knew only that they were part of a group of British citizens who usually dined there;
• As he works in the kitchen, rarely did he go to the tables, so he saw nothing;
• He did not see any person with blonde "rastas", while he was working (14.30 and 23.00)

JOAQUIM - table employee [waiter].

• Of the group of 8/9 British citizens who dined at the restaurant last night, as usual, of which the parents of missing were part (he didn't know them) he noticed that two individuals left the table, of the male gender.
• The first to leave was about 40/45 years old (tall, skinny, white complexion, with large [a full head of] hair of color gray) and the period of his absence was about 15 minutes, being that they had to [re-]heat his food, which had cooled;
• The second to leave (about 40/45 years of age, having the physical characteristics of the first, but having less bulky hair) did so for about 30 minutes, and that shortly after he returned, all left the table, except for an elderly person, who told him that a child had disappeared, the daughter of a member of the group, due to which he thought that the second person to leave could have been the father of the child;
• Of the times in which this group had dined in that bar it is [was] often [for] someone from the group to go to check at the apartments the state of the children (their offspring) who were sleeping there.
• He did not see any person with blonde "rastas", while he was working (16h00 and 00.00).

JOELSON - pantry boy

• As he works in the pantry, he never goes to the area where are the tables, so he saw nothing;
• He didn't know the missing or her parents;
• He did not see any individual with blonde "Rastas", in the period in which he remained in service (15:30 and 23:30.

RICARDO - table employee.

• Of the group of 8/9 British citizens who dined at that restaurant yesterday, like they usually did, which was partly made up of the parents of the missing (he did not know them) he noticed that absent from the table, for about 15 minutes, [was] a man (tall, little more than thirty years of age, normal physical stature, white complexion and hair color light brown);
• It was usual [for] someone of that group, to leave to go to the apartments to check the children (children of the group members) who slept there;
• At the table, he always noticed [saw] the existence [presence] of an intercom;
• He did not see any person with blonde "rastas", while he was working (16h000 and 00h30).----------

As for the kitchen employee, MARIA , given that she was not in service yesterday [neither] during the dinner [nor] when the disappearance of the child occurred, she was not interviewed.

 

[johnymac1]

At least one of these witnesses appeared in the Netflix documentary.

Photos of German paedophile Christian Brueckner released yesterday match the description of a suspicious man spotted by people four times in Praia da Luz around May 3, 2007, when Maddie was taken.

And e-fit pictures of two men - who may actually be the same person - released by police in a 2013 appeal also share similarities to the suspect.


Holidaymakers and locals in the Portguese resort town who gave evidence to investigators 13 years ago talked about a 'blond male with a pockmarked face' who stalked the McCann's apartment block, but lead never generated any results.

Details suggest a blond man was seen at least three times in the vicinity of the apartment, the first being on April 30, 2007 — two days after the family arrived in Praia da Luz at the Ocean Club.

A man matching the suspect's description was seen in sunglasses at 8am staring at the apartment.

Man resembling Maddie suspect 'scouted the family's holiday apartment'

Photos of paedophile Christian Brueckner, 43, bear similarities to the description of a suspicious man spotted by people four times in Praia da Luz around May 3, 2007, when Maddie was taken.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Kurve
you were right, there are some sighting made during the saga
I did find a police report, regarding a witness sighting
Its again translated from Portuguese

All police files on the case are freely available on the internet

Date: 2007/05/04 Location: Praia da Luz - Lagos;

Entity determining the diligence:
Employee who performed it: Manuel P., Inspector

Following various informal conversations related to the area of research, we were contacted by a British citizen named Jeremy Michael Wilkins, holder of passport no. 205...., owner of mobile phone no. +44788...., living in ....London...He spends his holidays at, "WATERSIDE GARDENS," block G4, about 50 metres from the apartment where the small child was. He told us that yesterday, between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant. This person did not stay very long. Their behaviour was somewhat strange and they seemed to be rather nervous. He was alone, he did not speak to anyone and left soon afterwards. The informant maintains that he has never seen this person in the village.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The bedroom window evidence has always been pivotal to the abduction. It was closed when K&G went to dinner but shutters and window were open and curtain flapping in breeze when K found she was missing. There was no evidence it had been forced open from outside and was jimmy proof it had been said

The Portugese police at the time thought it was a clue in guilt of K & G. It was also said that it would be highly difficult if not impossible for an abductor to escape with a 3 yo via that route.....size of window and proximity to ground.

If the abductor burglar had been casing potential sites for several days they would have seen the habit of tapas 7 in attending dinner and returning to premises via landing and sliding door access. Perhaps even realised that the gate access of the back entry was unlocked and knew (having worked the area repeatedly) that balcony sliding doors lock from inside and must be open. The apartment was a target accordingly

It is very clear if an abductor burglar were involved that they gained acces via sliding door but left via the bedroom window. Why would someone do that? Why not just leave again by sliding door and back access? There is imo a logical answer to that but one with somewhat of a twist.

An abductor burglar wouldn't want to escape the way they came in because having known the habit of tapas 7 returning to premises they didn't want to run face to face with a returning parent down those steps in back access. The twist? The window was difficult to impossible to exit as a single offender carrying a child. It wouldn't though if a child were passed to a waiting accomplice. Then followed by the abductor climbing alone out of the window without the burden or improbability of also carrying a child in the process.

CONCLUSION: If K & G had no involvement then the crime was likely perpetrated by an abductor AND an accomplice....that's right there were two people. Alternatively the window and shutters were opened but it was realised logistically it was a non viable escape route then returning the way he came in. But if the burglars knew the area well and did then they also would not have even attempted the window exit if he were alone but would if there were an accomplice. If an abductor was the nature of crime then the facts support that there were two involved.

WITNESS STATEMENT ANALYSIS
Recalling from memory Peter Hyatt flagged as deceptive conduct Kate's fixation in the run through about the curtain flapping in that it was both inconsistent with a mom's focus on finding child missing (both cognitively and emotionally) and was also a case of storytelling and a deceptive conduct.

FINGER PRINTS
The apartment was cleaned daily. The only finger prints found on (five in all) in relation to the operation of the window and shutters were Kate's finger prints. So a petty burglar used gloves?

CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence

• he lived n Praia de Luz from 1995
• in 2005 there was an unsolved rape of 72 yo there
• on the night his phone 'pinged' the ocean resort tower so he was in or close to hotel
• the very next day he deregistered a second car he owned
• he made a drunk confession to a friend in Germany
• after a tip off a search was carried out at an abandoned factory and buried in a plastic bag were data sticks of videos and photos that (8000 in all) were incriminating one of which was the rape and beating of that 72 yo which he has now been convincted of
• he s implicated (his van identified like the van) in guilt of another missing girl in Germany
• the material retrieved is indicative of psychopathic behaviours and offending

SPECULATION
If there was photographic evidence of Maddie I feel that he would already be charged. I'm intrigued as to whether there is more to link him apart from his phone and drunken admission. The deregistered car is highly suspicious. I assume it's been disposed of and the next day. Sunk somewhere??? If so surely that would be a search clue for whereabouts of a body? Not a pleasant thought. I wonder if the sliding door handles were ever finger printed? Though if he escaped via window and there was no finger prints there then clearly he was wearing gloves. Sadly Maddie may have been his first escalation to his criminal behaviour to murder. He wouldn't want an accomplice if so yet they say it was highly unlikely he escaped that way. Did he just throw her out and follow chasing her??? I'm sorry to use such frank language but we need to be clinical I'm afraid. There was mention in reference to the data sticks and 8000 pieces of evidence that it implicated 17-18 crimes. Maybe there is photographic evidence for Maddie but because they had DNA and a video for the 72yo rape victim and presumably her eyewitness account they firstly chose to get him convicted to then buy further time to connect the dots like find a body. He was apparently digging a pit under his house to use presumably as a place to retain abductees for rape (like silence of lambs style). The guy is an extremely sick individual. I would have no use as a policeman..... someone like that I would uncuff and beat the sh*t out of....make me feel better but probably not good police work

 

[Kurve]

It is very clear if an abductor burglar were involved that they gained acces via sliding door but left via the bedroom window. Why would someone do that? Why not just leave again by sliding door and back access? There is imo a logical answer to that but one with somewhat of a twist.

Apologies for seeming to cherry pick your post but will address your central point.

I've asked self what an abductor might do. He opened the window because he's done risk assessment and provided himself an out. Should one of the parents or the Tapas crowd unexpectedly come in through the sliding door, he's trapped. The last thing he needs as a coward, is to get trapped in there and in a confrontation where people will come running within seconds. He opens the window so he has another fast way out should he need to abort, back up and get out of the window thereby avoiding a confrontation and possible capture.

He left through the sliding door with Maddie when the coast was clear, he didn't need to use the window.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Apologies for seeming to cherry pick your post but will address your central point.

I've asked self what an abductor might do. He opened the window because he's done risk assessment and provided himself an out. Should one of the parents or the Tapas crowd unexpectedly come in through the sliding door, he's trapped. The last thing he needs as a coward, is to get trapped in there and in a confrontation where people will come running within seconds. He opens the window so he has another fast way out should he need to abort, back up and get out of the window thereby avoiding a confrontation and possible capture.

He left through the sliding door with Maddie when the coast was clear, he didn't need to use the window.

Or opened it to check viability and upon realising it wasn't then revert back to sliding door and back stairs abandoning the window in the state it was.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

A phone pings a new tower as you first approach or when you change connection or actually use the phone but otherwise a few times a day.

The phone ping was within 30 minutes of the abduction timeline

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Jim Gamble who had UK control of investigation at one point, has said the case against Brueckner is a strong one and he believes will follow with charges.

Girls swimwear was found in his van. You wonder if those have been identified as Maddie's. Not suggesting she wore swimmers to bed but it could have been stolen at same time. I'll check case material again

 

[johnymac1]

A phone pings a new tower as you first approach or when you change connection or actually use the phone but otherwise a few times a day.

The phone ping was within 30 minutes of the abduction timeline

I did view most of the cell phone data, mostly from the Tapas group. For a period of time Gerry's phone was turned off.

I haven't seen and Logs from CB's cell, but will go looking for it

Not widely known. There was a another couple staying at the resort. they are not considered part of the McCann party.
But are connected to Jane Tanner. The Gorrods were staying at a different apartment block. They did have their own car in The PDL, a silver Opel
The car was seen parked next to the apartment 5A on the night. after 10pm I gather

 

[Angry Red Bull]

A man by the Identity Manfred S was the criminal associate of Brueckner. He was shown the video of the 72 yo woman's rape and another unidentified woman who was tied and r*ped both in the Algarve. He knew Brueckner was involved in at least 25 burglaries.

I'm suspecting that they worked in tandem to do burglaries but when Bruckner showed him the videos and that he was admitted to be nvolved in Maddie's disappearance he walked away by turning on Brueckner. The video has been

Did they work as a team? Highly possible given what he knows. But he drew a line at abduction and rape.

 

[johnymac1]

A man by the Identity Manfred S was the criminal associate of Brueckner. He was shown the video of the 72 yo woman's rape and another unidentified woman who was tied and r*ped both in the Algarve. He knew Brueckner was involved in at least 25 burglaries.

I'm suspecting that they worked in tandem to do burglaries but when Bruckner showed him the videos and that he was admitted to be nvolved in Maddie's disappearance he walked away by turning on Brueckner. The video has been

Did they work as a team? Highly possible given what he knows. But he drew a line at abduction and rape.

does He or CB have a Rasta appearance? dreadlocks?

 

[Kurve]

Kurve
you were right, there are some sighting made during the saga
I did find a police report, regarding a witness sighting
Its again translated from Portuguese

All police files on the case are freely available on the internet

Date: 2007/05/04 Location: Praia da Luz - Lagos;

Entity determining the diligence:
Employee who performed it: Manuel P., Inspector

Following various informal conversations related to the area of research, we were contacted by a British citizen named Jeremy Michael Wilkins, holder of passport no. 205...., owner of mobile phone no. +44788...., living in ....London...He spends his holidays at, "WATERSIDE GARDENS," block G4, about 50 metres from the apartment where the small child was. He told us that yesterday, between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant. This person did not stay very long. Their behaviour was somewhat strange and they seemed to be rather nervous. He was alone, he did not speak to anyone and left soon afterwards. The informant maintains that he has never seen this person in the village.

Two women witnessed a man more than once that fits Brueckner's description, it's in the Netflix documentary and Scotland Yard was all over it. I watched it again last night.

Edit: They were British women

 

[Kurve]

Or opened it to check viability and upon realising it wasn't then revert back to sliding door and back stairs abandoning the window in the state it was.

Getting out the window and dropping straight down to a lit street, was only to use in an emergency situation of having to get out fast and empty handed. imo.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Getting out the window and dropping straight down to a lit street, was only to use in an emergency situation of having to get out fast and empty handed. imo.

If you look at the pictures of the apartment from the front you can see the window. What strikes me is that the land contour is such that a wall that surrounds the property at the pavement and has parking spaces in front of the apartment is increasing higher as it approaches the road intersection corner of the apartment. That creates a area of obscured vision to the ground below that window almost. Any wall like that is actually advantageous to a burglar abductor. Once they escape they drop below vision and can then provide a place to hide almost until they walk to the road and time that venture when there are no pedestrians. Ignoring the difficulty of getting out the window, in looking at the two alternatives the front via that window is undoubtedly preferred to a person seeking to escape undetected. The other way is inherently risky because of parents returning face to face.

Brueckner is 44 now which means he was 30 at time of abduction and relatively thin. He seems athletic. ill revisit that whole feasibility height of drop and size of window etc.

At days end if he is perp he did one or other I guess so I shouldn't get too hung up on which. There were no finger prints so he must have worn gloves. The only witness sighting is possibly Smith sighting. I wonder if they remember or refer to gloves at all?