Buddy Goes Bang
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Ahhh yes, the illusion of choice.
Zeke, just because someone chooses Option A doesn't mean there's an Option B.
Zeke, just because someone chooses Option A doesn't mean there's an Option B.
Malthouse V Buckley
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Is this topic getting to you? The fact you havnt put up anything relevant to the subject suggests that unless you can comment on how great your club and list is you have nothing to add. Is it because your heads so far up your arse that you beleive your club cant make mistakes. Plenty of clowns around like you that have no idea on football but reply to questions that involve Collingwood with, weve got this many flags or look at the LEXUS centre. Guess youll have to wait till school starts and at playlunch you can fill others with your knowledge.
So Collingwood said to Malthouse you either become Director of coaching in 2 years or you can't go to another club and coach???
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Well as I haven't made any such statements you look like a bit of a tool with that comment.
I have made a relevant comment and that is that this whole thread is a beat up with nothing but your speculation at it's core.
Buddy Goes Bang
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It's not a promotion.
He's being replaced as Collingwood coach and there's nothing he can do about it. He may as well take the money and STFU.
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Quite true and I'm sure MM has not made a single comment on the subject recently.
Carlton's kids have been behaving of late so in the absence of any news let's just make some up.
yes, and of those 11 teams, most would have had a change of coach or two. Thats the whole point in AFL coaching, you dont stick with the same coach who keeps failing to land you the flag.
And whats more, Matthews, who won 3 just 6 to 8 years ago, was gently pushed, williams is on his last legs at Port. it just shows coaches have limited lifespans at clubs, no matter how succesful they have been. Malthouse cant claim mto have been that succesful, yet he stays!
But malthouse found himself a bunny in Eddie and by keeping us therabouts, he has managed to stave off being sacked, where other coaches would have well and truly been pushed years ago for not producing the one thing they are hired to produce.
Do you actually read the nonsense you post?
Malthouse could walk into just about any position in football at the minute. He's certainly not short of opportunities.
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Utter rubbish.
With his track record at Collingwood (a club that gets every possible advantage that the AFL can provide) and his massive price tag, only a couple of clubs would even consider him.
If he was willing to sacrifice half his salary the Port Adelaides/ Kangaroos/ Bombers / Dockers / GC17s of this world might think about it. Even so, most would ultimately elect for new coaching blood.
You see Zeke, Collingwood supporters are over-rating their coach in just the same way that they over-rate their players. Furthermore, you're over-rating the half-baked strategy your ailing president has used to change coaches.
The whole thing is a shambolic. The funny bit is folk like you who buy it.
Buddy Goes Bang
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It's symbiotic I reckon.
McGuire maintains the sham that Collingwood has the best coach in the business, and maintain the sham that Collingwood is successful, in order that this apparent success reflects positively on his presidency.
Malthouse toes the party line knowing that McGuire is so indelibly associated with the coach that a straight-out sacking is impossible.
It works for them both very well though. Most Collingwood supporters I know are not capable of critically evaluating the situation at all. They prefer to swallow the hook, line and sinker and continue to spout off about how successful the club is, how McGuire is the greatest president, and how Malthouse is some guru coach.
The whole thing is hilarious.
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I can see what will happen between these two.
The Pies will struggle, players will be disenchanted with Mick and turn to Bucks for guidance.
Mick will lose players confidence.
Bucks will sell this to Eddie, Eddie will then have no choice but to ask Mick to step aside.
Bucks will coach the Pies.
Bookmark this in.
The Pies will struggle, players will be disenchanted with Mick and turn to Bucks for guidance.
Mick will lose players confidence.
Bucks will sell this to Eddie, Eddie will then have no choice but to ask Mick to step aside.
Bucks will coach the Pies.
Bookmark this in.
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Buddy, you dont have to preface your post with a description, anyone who reads it will understand the content.
However "Cliche ridden drivel" would be an alternative if you were looking for one
Its a contrived farce more than anything
Eddie claims Malthouse is at the peak of his powers then proceeds to put in place a plan to get rid of him in 2 years. Coaches in their prime dont lose their supposed abilities in 2 years. But Eddie knows malthouse has nothing more to offer than 4th place with the list he put together and the game plan he implements. He is just too scared to make unpopular decision internally because the mass of fools are content with finals finishes. So he creates this contrived situation. The morons lap it up, thinking they have the best of both worlds. It's funny how Voss didnt need a transition, but apparently Buckley needs babysitting.
Those same fools who are seduced year after year by finishing top 8, fail to see the real gap between us and the very top. It's as big a gap as between 4th and 16th. Its a huge chasm that malthouse does not have the ability to bridge.
Mcguire's biggest failing as president is his inability to make a hard internal decision to cut a coach that has failed to deliver after 10 years of the same results. He wants to be seen as pushing external agendas, media fluff in the form of 'us v them' issues, because that appeals to the mindless constituency that relish those 'us v them' situations. But he cannot for the life of him, make a hard decision which might make him unpopular within the club. Thats his biggest failing as president.
Malthouse at any other club other than say melbourne, would have been dispensed with because most clubs would have benchmarked him against the very top coaches and realised that he has set up the club to only reach so far onfield, through his flawed recruiting, list management and game plan. As I said, he found his 'chump' in Eddie and has reaped $800 000 a year as a result.
And this year will be like groundhog day, top 6 to 8 finish, lots of false hope, a forward line incapable of delivering, a back line possibly going backwards a little, a midfield possibly improving, but not enough to counteract the other two deficiencies. And at years end, the same fools will idolise malthouse for taking a deficient list so far again. IT'S HIS LIST YOU FOOLS, the reason its deficient his all because of malthouse!
Malthouse was Eddies big coup , something Eddie could hang his hat on, whatever MM does reflects upon Eddies decision making so Eddie will want to soften MM's departure the best he can. Eddies profile is tantamount.
Agree with Fu......
However, we may improve this year and the top 3 will be falling back a bit - so this year is MM last and best chance. If we are mid league again at round 12 Mick should go. We need to be top 2, anything less is not good enough. Nothing will improve with Micks squad after this year - it will go backwards.
I hope he bags the flag, I am happy to be proved wrong.
However, we may improve this year and the top 3 will be falling back a bit - so this year is MM last and best chance. If we are mid league again at round 12 Mick should go. We need to be top 2, anything less is not good enough. Nothing will improve with Micks squad after this year - it will go backwards.
I hope he bags the flag, I am happy to be proved wrong.
Your right, he was a coup, but that was all a long time ago now. Eddie needs to understand that Mick is more liability than asset.
Buckley will be the "head" coach in rd. 2 of the NaB dud....I mean cup. Pity it'll be on some oval in Shepparton or somewhere
Malthouse rostered his assistants last year as well. Where Buckley coaches and whether or not we're still in the NAB Cup is unimportant.
Geelong may go backwards a little, St kilda most probably wont, hawthorn will be on the rise again, Footscray really about the same, maybe a little better if Hall his hits straps, Brisbane have to improve given their recruiting, so really unless we really improve we may fall to 5th to 7th quite easily.
Our forward line needs to improve drastically, find a viable big marking option and some accuracy from Cloke, let alone an ability to play closer to goal. Presti is on the decline as evidenced by his poor finals campaign against better delivered ball to his opponents (and they are big shoes to fill, seeing as N Brown and Reid have been disappointing so far).
But malthouse will stick rigidly to his predictable structures which are OK against lesser teams, but blown apart by those with some talent/skill and speed thru the midfield. And we will still be a top 8 finisher and there will be plenty who forget that it will be 5 years in the finals without advancing and are lulled by a finals finish AGAIN and acclaim him to be some sort of messiah AGAIN. Wrap him up to bring the best out of a mediocre list and conveniently forget that he constructed this list with all its flaws in the first place.
Another 2 years of 'close but not close enough'. Once a backpocket player, always a back pocket player! In saying that, Sheedy was too, but he was brain addled enough to be inventive.
The only thing disappointing about Reid and N Brown (and Dawes too) is their age. Their development is on track but they are very young.
Collingwood clearly have some issues in handing over from the Rocca/Tarrant/Wakelin/Presti/Clement era to the new batch of Cloke/Anthony/Dawes/Rusling/N Brown/Reid. I think this handover is progressing pretty well. It would be ideal of course if all these kids had another 30-40 games under their belts, but they dont.
However I dont think its a dealbreaker for Collingwood having a good season in 2010, especially if Presti can stay fit and Leigh Brown can do Leigh Brown things for another season. Most of these young talls have had their moments of promise so far in their short careers so if one or two of them can take the next step like Jack Anthony did last year, we should be ok.
Collingwood clearly have some issues in handing over from the Rocca/Tarrant/Wakelin/Presti/Clement era to the new batch of Cloke/Anthony/Dawes/Rusling/N Brown/Reid. I think this handover is progressing pretty well. It would be ideal of course if all these kids had another 30-40 games under their belts, but they dont.
However I dont think its a dealbreaker for Collingwood having a good season in 2010, especially if Presti can stay fit and Leigh Brown can do Leigh Brown things for another season. Most of these young talls have had their moments of promise so far in their short careers so if one or two of them can take the next step like Jack Anthony did last year, we should be ok.
I would have thought the most disappointing thing was Brown going backwards last year and Reid not showing anything at all, ever! Brown is probably a better option up forward, but given that malthouse foolishly persisted with Rocca and got two fifths of eff all from him and held back the development of a young key player one further year, then we are one year further away from seeing what these young blokes will bring to the equation. But from what they have shown, ioncluding dawes, they are either not playing their natural game due to malthouses stifling philosophies on the game 9 as evidenced by a shrinking Dale Thomas in terms of flair) or they just plain dont have it, which is another drafting blunder AGAIN.
Malthouses job includes list management and he failed to take into account generational change in various onfield areas, especially the backline. If he envisaged 2009 as being the year as eddie descibes as being a contender, then he certainly didnt allow for the generational change that weakened various aspects onfield. And lets not mention his lack of focus on the ruck and midfield until the second half of his tenure at the club.
Nothing is a deal breaker with malthouse, he has gotten away with results which would have seen most other coaches well and truly gone from all other clubs by now. If Eddie had stood up in 1999 and said that malthouse will be at the club for 10 years, but no flags, he would have been shot down in a hail of criticism. But he has allowed this lure of finals to be the perrenial enticement that never delivers and yet justifies his lack of action on proper accountability and benchmarking when it comes to the coaching front. Go figure!
Unless you are telling me that coming 4th time and time again is the pinnacle and that we should take some form of pleasure from that time and time again, then in reality, Malthouse has pretty much produced what Bailey has at Melbourne...................... NO FLAGS ( and thats the only measure that counts) and after 10 years, thats an indictment on the club that they persist with someone with such obvious limitations. I could deal with no flags if the club kept looking for solutions, but all it is doing is persisting with the same.
One thing I hope you agree with Fu is that at Collingwood we can agree to disagree on certain things. I reckon this sets us apart from other clubs.
Personally I'm really happy with where we are at currently, especially with our potential goal to goal line. Reid had an outstanding year in the VFL while Brown went backwards slightly, partly due to injury. Rusling is now enjoying the benefits of a preseason that started in about July, s hopefully he can be a wild card. Anthony was a revelation in 2009 while Cloke won our b&f in 2008. Dawes is coming along nicely. Add Fraser to the mix as well now with Jolly joining the club.
The coaching scenario is sorted with Malthouse enjoying the best list he's assembled yet and when he hands over seamlessly to Buckley it should be even better.
Call me stupid or call me loyal but I dont think the club has made to omany errors with its list over the past 3-4 seasons and I think the handover to Buckley is the right choice.
Personally I'm really happy with where we are at currently, especially with our potential goal to goal line. Reid had an outstanding year in the VFL while Brown went backwards slightly, partly due to injury. Rusling is now enjoying the benefits of a preseason that started in about July, s hopefully he can be a wild card. Anthony was a revelation in 2009 while Cloke won our b&f in 2008. Dawes is coming along nicely. Add Fraser to the mix as well now with Jolly joining the club.
The coaching scenario is sorted with Malthouse enjoying the best list he's assembled yet and when he hands over seamlessly to Buckley it should be even better.
Call me stupid or call me loyal but I dont think the club has made to omany errors with its list over the past 3-4 seasons and I think the handover to Buckley is the right choice.
Maxwell's AA, H Shaw and O'Brien are guns, Toovey is turning into a very good blanket stopper on the small forwards, Presti has been outstanding for ten years and put out his best season ever in 2009, and L Brown is the stop-gap while Reid and Brown come on board. Its a solid defence and crosses all generations.
I am sure every club has its more enlightened supporters who love the debate.
Dawes for mine is caught in no mans, is he a lead up forward or a pack buster like he was first described as. Rusling is really no different to Anthony, a lead up forward with few ground skills. We cant have more than one in the forward set up. Fraser is a solution up forward, but he certainly shouldnt ruck, because its killing his body. But he is nearing the end of his career and we never got the value out of him that a number one pick warrants.
And Cloke went backwards a little in 2008 from his last half of 2007 and he certainly went backwards again last year.
It remains to be seen if it seamless and I bet the media will stir up lots of doubts and scenarios before malthouse's time is up. The two bulls in the same paddock thing doesnt sit well with me.
thats the same time frame Clarkson put together a flag winning list, we havent.
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Hail Fu Manchu the true oracle. If only I could see the world through your jaundiced eyes.
You must have been reading up on the Eddie Maguire manual of us against them because you seem inclined to create such a mentality within BF Collingwood posters
There is just so much wrong with what you say its hard to know where to begin.
You provide simplistic and usually false assuptions to justify your extravagant claims. e.g. Eddies hatched a plan to get rid of MM. Eddie hatched a plan alright (audacious and I understand not one that everyone agrees with) but one to keep both MM and Buckley at the club with the aim of maximising the output. Malthouse is contracted for 5 years
This crap that you go on about MM and Maguire being seemingly happy with 4th place is an invention of your mind. Where and why do you invent it. I know you will spout that his coaching style only allows for near misses but again ths is just contrived because you want it to be so. Your agenda of rubbishing Malthouse has obviously clouded your thinking
Eddie has had a mandate for a long time thats given him an ability to weild his power in a way he sees fit. He has a big ego and overall has done a good job. Where do you get the idea that he fears the "fools and morons" that populate the membership to such a degree that he would knowingly compromise the success of the team to pander to their whims.
In that senario you no doubt are one of the subversives operating in the shady margins working against the evil incumbents while the rest of "Rome fiddles"
I could go on and on
I wonder if your BF's very own Walter Mitty
Still I like reading you in the same way I like reading Patrick Smith.
