Malthouse V Buckley

[Crow-mo]

After ten years in the job without success and nearing retirement age, I'd be over the moon at a two year extension and three year golden handshake, combined with the opportunity to train up my replacement.

Sounds like a pretty cosy deal for MM.

If he didnt like the suggestion he'd be at another club already. I'm sure Richmond would have snapped him up had he given them a phone call.

the facile and clumsy implication is that there is a time limit on Micky's options. which is just mediocre analysis.

IF and only IF Micky wants another job its his on his timetable.

 

[AKA The Joker]

. 2 months out from the season he's announced, despite having recruited apparently one of the AFL's greatest ever coaches in waiting that he won't change anything - again.

Come 2010 he'll be playing his loose man in defence happily getting carved up at the other end whilst his CHF goes kick chasing around the wing sick of playing 1 on 2.

Yeah how terrible of Clokey to chase kicks on the wings , A true CHF should get a lot of possession on the wings, Thats the main objective of the role to be a marking target that feeds the deeper fowards, as well as pushing in deep to provide an alternative target.

And where has Mick stated that he won't change anything, he has simply said that having an expiry date on his coaching career at Collingwood would not change the way he coaches. If you believe that he is not prepared to change things up to suit different oppositions because the lack of one change in matchups in a qualifying final which you have yammered on about constantly, then you are a muppet.

 

[Falchoon]

If you believe that he is not prepared to change things up to suit different oppositions because the lack of one change in matchups in a qualifying final which you have yammered on about constantly, then you are a muppet.

Hello Gonzo if you believe that's the only example.

 

[FuManchu]

Yeah how terrible of Clokey to chase kicks on the wings , A true CHF should get a lot of possession on the wings, Thats the main objective of the role to be a marking target that feeds the deeper fowards, as well as pushing in deep to provide an alternative target.

And where has Mick stated that he won't change anything, he has simply said that having an expiry date on his coaching career at Collingwood would not change the way he coaches. If you believe that he is not prepared to change things up to suit different oppositions because the lack of one change in matchups in a qualifying final which you have yammered on about constantly, then you are a muppet.

It is terrible that the tallest forward line option is down on the wings chasing un contested marks.

The so called deeper forwards dont have a high marking option amongst them, not that Cloke is a good contested mark by any degree, in fact he is very poor at pack marking. But surely, the role of a CHF is to be a goal kicking option and you dont plug too many 100 metres out.

As for MM, he rarely changes anything, especially during a game when he is soundly getting beaten. He has no plan B, he wants rigid adherence to his over possession game which uses a lot of resources and requires a lot of foot and hand skills, which would not be so bad if it wasnt for the fact we are not the best skilled side going around. And what takes us 5 or more players to move the ball 150 metres around the boundary, the quality oppositions who have flooded back in numbers because they have had plenty of time watching us fiddle with the ball and move it slowly, usually can run it out with two players, the same distance the other way, in a quarter of the time, because all our players are out of position on the boundary whilst they run it out thru the vacant corridor. Malthouse's game plan will beat 60% other teams, and struggles against the very best. Isn't it time we match the very best?

 

[Buddy Goes Bang]

Which draws the inevitable question..."what is Hawthorn's excuse for 2009?"
You seem to know where we are going wrong, perhaps you should be talking to your clubs administration with your obvious insights.

You really wanna debate recent success Collingwood Vs Hawthorn?

Hawthorn won the 2008 flag, remember. You don't need to make excuses for your club the season after a flag.

So when I said Collingwood has forgotten how to win, what I meant was that in modern footballing terms, you're a nobody.

 

[MarkT2]

Come 2010 he'll be playing his loose man in defence happily getting carved up at the other end whilst his CHF goes kick chasing around the wing sick of playing 1 on 2.

Unless a ruckman and a winning midfield take the ball forward without first conceding ground and initiative.

Not sure the relevance to Buckley though.

 

[Consumed]

Collingwood fans sure are sensitive in this thread. First three pages before they could even discuss the topic. If all you want to do is deflect and have a go at the OP for what I think is a reasonable preamble, then maybe you shouldn't indulge in so many "Luke Ball is great, St Kilda are a**holes" threads over summer.

 

[Falchoon]

Unless a ruckman and a winning midfield take the ball forward without first conceding ground and initiative.

Not sure the relevance to Buckley though.

me either given we were discussing Malthouse.

Buckley's not ready to coach*

I'll actually be quite interested to see the Colllingwood set up in action this year, one thing that strikes me as odd about Collingwood, given their profile is how anonymous their players are.

I can't recall hearing from Davis, Didak, Shaw, Cloke, Swan, O'Bree, Pendles, Thomas, Lockyer, Presti etc, the only 2 players with any real media profile seem to be Maxwell in his captain's capacity and maybe Josh Fraser.

Above the players, and literally above the players will be 3 massive ego's with the potential for some serious head butting, Salty has already had one dig* Eddie's ego doesn't allow himself to admit mistakes and the third bloke in the trio has the nickname FIGJAM.

Massive first 6 weeks at pie land

Rd.1 Doggies (Pies have won 1 of last 5)
Rd.2 bye
Rd.3 Saints (lost last 3)
Rd.4 Hawks (lost last 4)
Rd.5 April Grand Final (no matter how bad the underdog, 50-50 game)
Rd.6 Derby/showdown equivalent (won 1 of 4)

2 & 4 not beyond the realms of possibility.

then it's

North
Freo away
Geelong
Brisbane away
Doggies again

will the ego's hold? how many cooks spoil the broth? will Sheahan spin it?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I'll actually be quite interested to see the Colllingwood set up in action this year, one thing that strikes me as odd about Collingwood, given their profile is how anonymous their players are.

What exactly has profile got to do with performance? Perhaps you're confusing "profile" with "youth".

 

[Falchoon]

What exactly has profile got to do with performance?

Not sure, seeing as you're bringing it up what's the answer?

Normally I'd say performance brings profile, but Collingwood have a large profile......

Perhaps you're confusing "profile" with "youth".

perhaps I'm not

I can't recall hearing from Davis, Didak, Shaw, Cloke, Swan, O'Bree, Pendles, Thomas, Lockyer, Presti etc,

28, 26, 24, 22, 25, 30, 22, 22, 30, 32

average 26.1

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So Davis Didak Cloke Shaw Swan Pendlebury and Thomas are anonymous?????

Now I've heard everything.........

Where have you been over the past few years????

If they were all on the Footy Show every week or dating soap actresses would your impression of them improve?

 

[MarkT2]

I'll actually be quite interested to see the Colllingwood set up in action this year, one thing that strikes me as odd about Collingwood, given their profile is how anonymous their players are.

I can't recall hearing from Davis, Didak, Shaw, Cloke, Swan, O'Bree, Pendles, Thomas, Lockyer, Presti etc, the only 2 players with any real media profile seem to be Maxwell in his captain's capacity and maybe Josh Fraser.

Above the players, and literally above the players will be 3 massive ego's with the potential for some serious head butting, Salty has already had one dig* Eddie's ego doesn't allow himself to admit mistakes and the third bloke in the trio has the nickname FIGJAM.

Massive first 6 weeks at pie land

Rd.1 Doggies (Pies have won 1 of last 5)
Rd.2 bye
Rd.3 Saints (lost last 3)
Rd.4 Hawks (lost last 4)
Rd.5 April Grand Final (no matter how bad the underdog, 50-50 game)
Rd.6 Derby/showdown equivalent (won 1 of 4)

2 & 4 not beyond the realms of possibility.

then it's

North
Freo away
Geelong
Brisbane away
Doggies again

will the ego's hold? how many cooks spoil the broth? will Sheahan spin it?

Looks for all the world like a wish list to me.

You overlook a few things but fundamentally you should realise by now that Eddie will not sack Malthouse mid season even at 0-21. He will argue there is no need and MM would resign at seasons end with Buckley taking over. The odds of course of a season that bad as clearly remote in the extreme.


As for the set up – there will not be any reinvention of anything. I’d like to see more direct football and I hope a ruckman and a better midfield will facilitate that. That’s about it though. Not sure what else you think should happen. Nothing wrong with a loose man in defence regardless of your misguided theory about why St. Kilda beat Collingwood. The way I saw the finals both years was a smashing of the midfield. I hope that Jolly, Ball and extra time into some good young midfielders, particularly Beams who I rate through the roof, will make a big difference. Injuries are key though. A fit Swan and Pendlebury will make a difference apart from anything else.


I see far more risk at St. Kilda. A poor first half of the season will see huge pressure on a coach who took risks and you have a board that hasn’t handled pressure well at any time over 100 years. You actually sack you most successful coaches so I’d hate to be in Lyon’s shoes. In fact the reason you sacked GT, if applied to RL will see him go if he doesn’t win a flag this year.

 

[Falchoon]

So Davis Didak Cloke Shaw Swan Pendlebury and Thomas are anonymous?????

Now I've heard everything.........

Where have you been over the past few years????

GWS

barring the odd criminal mishap, there's hardly a Judd, Aker, Brown, Riewoldt type amongst them

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

GWS

barring the odd criminal mishap, there's hardly a Judd, Aker, Brown, Riewoldt type amongst them

Oh so you mean A grade talent. Thats different to profile.

FWIW I think Swan and Pendlebury are very close to that level anyway.

As if its done StKilda any good to have such a "profile" player on their books anyway..........

 

[Falchoon]

Oh so you mean A grade talent. Thats different to profile.

FWIW I think Swan and Pendlebury are very close to that level anyway.

As if its done StKilda any good to have such a "profile" player on their books anyway..........

you're in your own world again Timmy, who said it was good or bad, I said I was surprised (interested). You're probably right though, talent does create profile.

The only potentially bad thing about having a relatively anonymous group of footballers that I can see is that the ego's of the men above are allowed to rum rampant.

Sheed's had Watson/Hird as counterbalance.

FWIW, Pendlebury is very close to Dal Santo's level.

 

[Falchoon]

I see far more risk at St. Kilda. A poor first half of the season will see huge pressure on a coach who took risks and you have a board that hasn’t handled pressure well at any time over 100 years. You actually sack you most successful coaches so I’d hate to be in Lyon’s shoes. In fact the reason you sacked GT, if applied to RL will see him go if he doesn’t win a flag this year.

if the board is that old I don't see them making too many changes.

Any particular reason you boys keep bringing St kilda up in a wobbles thread?

 

[smiddaz123]

I'd say Harry O'Brien is far from anonymous. Spends plenty of time promoting the game and speaking in public.

 

[Falchoon]

I'd say Harry O'Brien is far from anonymous. Spends plenty of time promoting the game and speaking in public.

ask the average man in the street the 3 people he most associates with Collingwood - that's "profile"

I doubt Harry O'Brien would be up there.

 

[the woodsmen2010]

ask the average man in the street the 3 people he most associates with Collingwood - that's "profile"

I doubt Harry O'Brien would be up there.

3 things i can associate with st kilda..1-chokers-grand final

2-rapist-lovett(and that incident a few years ago)

3-wooden spoons


Lets not get petty we all know this type of s#$t can go on all day,who really cares what people think of" "u" "us" Them"...thats school yard crap,associates dont make the person, Get on with the footy talk.....

 

[Buddy Goes Bang]

3 things i can associate with st kilda..1-chokers-grand final

Before you posted that, did you think for one second about Collingwood's grand final record? Dude, you've won something like one of your last 13 or 14 grand finals and you're calling out some other club as grand final chokers.

That's wrong.

 

[MarkT2]

if the board is that old I don't see them making too many changes.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Any particular reason you boys keep bringing St kilda up in a wobbles thread?

Specifically in this instance because St. Kilda are likely to take some heat of Collingwood in the unlikely event that Collingwood don't look like making the finals. You can bet that if Collingwood loose early games they will be proactive in reafirming Malthouse's tenure. St. Kilda on the other hand will be a crap-fight.

 

[Buddy Goes Bang]

You can bet that if Collingwood lose early games they will be proactive in reafirming Malthouse's tenure.

You'd have to wonder about that though.

Why else would Malthouse feel the need to publicly denounce Buckley's readiness to coach?

 

[FuManchu]

You'd have to wonder about that though.

Why else would Malthouse feel the need to publicly denounce Buckley's readiness to coach?

It sounded a lot petulant. I wonder if he would have said the same of Voss. Malthouse will want to keep his thoughts on the change over to himself to prevent being seen as a man under pressure. But he goes and sticks his foot in it with this ridiculous and unneccesary comment. The media wont let this go now until he is replaced and he only has himself to blame.

 

[Buddy Goes Bang]

Some might think it unnecessary, but Malthouse obviously had his reasons.

He knows as well as anyone. You don't communicate to the media, you communicate through the media.

His message was clear.

Who was his intended audience?

 

[Falchoon]

You can bet that if Collingwood loose early games they will be proactive in reafirming Malthouse's tenure.

I can guarantee that Ego no.1 who is never wrong will be guaranteeing Malthouse's tenure. As much as it would pain your good self.

The Blight sacking at St Kilda was an admittance by the board that they'd made the wrong decision, Collingwood will never follow suit.

The Malthouse/Buckley pairing makes good sense, here's how it works, Malthouse coaches as per normal, however when Collingwood get to 4 goals down at any time plan B is enacted. Given that Malthouse never has a plan B, plan B = Buckley taking over - perfect.