Malthouse V Buckley

[Hump 17]

oh is there?

as i have previously said.. the only people that think there is an issue there are non-collingwood supporters

if there was an issue i'd have no problem with it being discussed. but there is no evidence of there being an issue - only a bunch of hack journalists cooking up some innuendo to sell some papers. and you idiots fall for it.

Its amazing that everything a hack jounalists says about all other clubs is gospel but when its about Collingwood unless its positive its garbage.

 

[MarkT2]

So what your saying is that you havnt improved then. You have had a dream run with injuries while the Saints Geelong WB and Freo have been pegged back due to them yet your still ranked only slightly better than two and below the other two.

How did you get that from what I have said?

Put very simply:
Collingwood are a better side than they were last year. They probably won't win the flag but they are better able to match the best sides this September. The personal has improved and they are playing together better.

Collingwood's run with injury is no better than it was last year and apart from 1 player Saints have had a dream run with injury over the last 2 years. Injury is not any factor in Collingwood being a better side than last year. Jolly, Ball, Sidebottom, Beams and Ried are the players that have improved the side. The coaching situation may or may not be part of if it but it certainly has not been in any way a negative impact on the results.

For the record again:

Collingwood have improved.
The coaching situation has not in way adversely affected any aspect of the club on or off the field.
This is the biggest wish story of all time.

 

[Nardz]

Its amazing that everything a hack jounalists says about all other clubs is gospel but when its about Collingwood unless its positive its garbage.

or maybe its just this story in particular that is garbage.

these people are not in the inner sanctum of the collingwood football club. theres been no evidence whatsoever to suggest that anyone who is in the inner sanctum thinks the arrangement is not working. buckley is doing his job, mick is doing his job, they're both being constantly poked for any indication that someone is unhappy. they're saying its so unworkable yet the club is sitting 2 points shy of top spot. if there was such turmoil at the top you don't think it would somehow impact the players performances?

it is just a rubbish story, and it has been since day one.

but if you really wanna believe theres some massive conflict going on at the club, as i'm sure you would love to believe, then by all means feel free. couldnt care less what a bunch of irrelevant opposition supporters on bigfooty think or have to say about the "issue"

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Yeah just like I said youve had a dream run with injuries. :

No better than last year and no better than StKilda's run in 2009 and 2010.

 

[SwanBet]

lol at StKilda supporters. Yeah we have had a dream run with injuries

give me a break, I actually cannot recall anyone in your best 22 last season who was injured at all asides the odd rest.

This year the only real injuries you have had are reiwoldt and gram.

Get over yourselves, Collingwood has had injuries we dont just rely on 1 or 2 players to play football. you dont notice our injuries. Unlike your mob who when reiwoldt went out it took you 6 weeks to recover.

Presti, Medhurst, Davis, Dick, Ball, Anthony and now maxwell have all had a bad run with injuries this season aswell as fitness which has hampered their game play. All are in our best 22.

Ball i can not tell you if he is injured or not, as soon as i thought he was fine he pulled out with a groin its a russian roulette with that boy. But he can sure play.

 

[Roby]

Collingwood will probably finish on top of the ladder should they beat Geelong and St Kilda in a few weeks time, which I think they will.

Leon Davis is leading tackles for Collingwood inside 50 for the club and has single-handedly won them 2 games this season. So I'm pretty sure they are happy with him. Media love to beat up stories and this is one of them.

 

[jayjones1]

Collingwood will probably finish on top of the ladder should they beat Geelong and St Kilda in a few weeks time, which I think they will.

Leon Davis is leading tackles for Collingwood inside 50 for the club and has single-handedly won them 2 games this season. So I'm pretty sure they are happy with him. Media love to beat up stories and this is one of them.

pies will never beat saints or cats they are just not that good yet, they are still a young team so in a few years they will be great

 

[Falchoon]

Collingwood will probably finish on top of the ladder should they beat Geelong and St Kilda in a few weeks time, which I think they will.

Collingwood lost to Brisbane. Brisbanes only victory in the last 9. There's a long way to go.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Only when he smiles.

Collingwood supporter too.

Different issue.

I think Roos is hilarious. I cracked up watching him make fun of Bevan (I think it was Bevan, no.42 coming off).

I love his personality.

So what your saying is that you havnt improved then. You have had a dream run with injuries while the Saints Geelong WB and Freo have been pegged back due to them yet your still ranked only slightly better than two and below the other two.

While I personally don' tbelieve we've improved THAT much, in all fairness, with straighter kicking, we'd be about 3 or 4 games clear on top of the ladder, AKA Undefeated.

 

[Lestat]

Collingwood lost to Brisbane. Brisbanes only victory in the last 9. There's a long way to go.

Very simple way of looking at things, and you should know footy is a bit more complex then that.

For example, Stkilda lost to Port Adelaide. Port Adelaide has lost the last six games. So what does that say about Stkilda?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

You seriuosly dont beleive that do you? Or hang on maybe you do.

You only have to look at our accuracy in our losses to know what straight kicking has cost us.

Round 3 - 23 scoring shots to 19 and lost - turn 4 17 into 10.11 and we beat StKilda
Round 9 - 20 Scoring shots to 26 against Geelong. May not have beaten them but reverse 6 behinds v 3 goals 2 in the last quarter and we'd have gone close. Convert 6.14 into 10.10 and we still would have lost though.
Round 10 - 25 scoring shots to 23. Lost by 8 points Turn 11.14 into 13.12 and we win
Round 12 31 scoring shots to 21 -a draw. Turn 9.22 into 14. 17 and we win easy.

Ladder with adjusted scores - assuming Geelong still beat us....

The ladder looks like this..........
Collingwood 48 134.32%
Geelong 40 146.5%
StKilda 36 123.9%
Fremantle 36 118.37%

Its a mathematical fact. Inaccurate goalkicking in our three losses and in our draw has cost us top spot.

Its basic maths, you'll learn that when you get out of primary school.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Very simple way of looking at things, and you should know footy is a bit more complex then that.

For example, Stkilda lost to Port Adelaide. Port Adelaide has lost the last six games. So what does that say about Stkilda?

It says that playing interstate is never easy and if you end up with a 50/50 win loss ratio or better on the road then you should feel pretty pleased with yourself.

 

[Hump 17]

You only have to look at our accuracy in our losses to know what straight kicking has cost us.

Round 3 - 23 scoring shots to 19 and lost - turn 4 17 into 10.11 and we beat StKilda
Round 9 - 20 Scoring shots to 26 against Geelong. May not have beaten them but reverse 6 behinds v 3 goals 2 in the last quarter and we'd have gone close. Convert 6.14 into 10.10 and we still would have lost though.
Round 10 - 25 scoring shots to 23. Lost by 8 points Turn 11.14 into 13.12 and we win
Round 12 31 scoring shots to 21 -a draw. Turn 9.22 into 14. 17 and we win easy.

Ladder with adjusted scores - assuming Geelong still beat us....

The ladder looks like this..........
Collingwood 48 134.32%
Geelong 40 146.5%
StKilda 36 123.9%
Fremantle 36 118.37%

Its a mathematical fact. Inaccurate goalkicking in our three losses and in our draw has cost us top spot.

Its basic maths, you'll learn that when you get out of primary school.

Maybe just maybe if your game plan that Malthouse has you playing put you into a position to kick goals youd have an excuse. The fact that against StKilda you had only three set shots from with in 40 metres shows how poor your game plan is. Any team can get the ball to the forward 50 and just blaze away like Collingwood do but prefer to be patient and wait for a better option.

While your in the land of make beleive can you do a ladder were we had Riewoldt for the whole year. By my calculations using your dreamed up theories we would have lost one game and trust me it wasnt to you.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Thats part of it, no doubt. But I think its somewhat exaggerated, too. There certainly were some shots taken from wide and far against StKilda - not because of Malthouse's game plan so much as Lyons. Even the mighty Cats failed to score after half time last week. Whether the ultra-defensive gameplan will win the Saints a flag is yet to be revealed, but they play a fantastic defensive game. All the more reason why you cant afford to miss shots on goal against them.

But the basic premise remains. In accuracy in front of goal has cost us top spot. Its undeniable.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

While your in the land of make beleive can you do a ladder were we had Riewoldt for the whole year.

Theorising over injured players is pointless. You cant help getting injuries. Our small forward department has been hampered by injury to Dick, Medhurst and Davis. It happens. Riewoldt is only one player.

You can theorise about skill errors though, because they can be fixed.

 

[Fred]

Very simple way of looking at things, and you should know footy is a bit more complex then that.

For example, Stkilda lost to Port Adelaide. Port Adelaide has lost the last six games. So what does that say about Stkilda?

It says to me that anybody can beat anybody if the stars are in the right alignment.

 

[Falchoon]

Very simple way of looking at things, and you should know footy is a bit more complex then that.

For example, Stkilda lost to Port Adelaide. Port Adelaide has lost the last six games. So what does that say about Stkilda?

it says most teams can lose to most other teams and that there is a long way to go.

Not everything is a dig.

 

[Lestat]

It says to me that anybody can beat anybody if the stars are in the right alignment.

Exactly, so us losing to Brisbane is not a reflection that 'there is a long way to go'...which is what was stated by Falchoon.

Yes we are below Stkilda/Geelong, however, on our day I know we can beat both. We are not 'a long way behind' as many people believe.

 

[JeffDunne]

Collingwood's goal kicking accuracy is a symptom of the problem, not THE problem.

Unless you have gun key position players, hugging the boundary line is always going to lead to Collingwood type scorelines - especially against good opposition.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Indeed, JD, getting game-time into all our young kpp's at both ends of the ground was always going to be the main challenge for Collingwood this year. This may be the reason we are not ready to win a flag just yet but theres been plenty of examples of teams winning flags before their time.

They need to settle the line-up now with Dawes and Cloke (as well as lock in Reid in defence). We have the young cattle - especially with Anthony as the potential third target and N Brown capable of being a swingman at either end - and we just need a consistent 22 out on the park every week. Whether the cattle are ready or not to deliver this year, who knows. Maybe not.

 

[Falchoon]

Exactly, so us losing to Brisbane is not a reflection that 'there is a long way to go'...which is what was stated by Falchoon.

Yes we are below Stkilda/Geelong, however, on our day I know we can beat both. We are not 'a long way behind' as many people believe.

the point in context was that knocking off both St kilda and Geelong will not necessarily get you top spot, with 7 other games to play. Those other 7 games are potential bum biters, much like the Brisbane game, or Saints Port/Carl, Geelong Carl etc

 

[Hump 17]

Thats part of it, no doubt. But I think its somewhat exaggerated, too. There certainly were some shots taken from wide and far against StKilda - not because of Malthouse's game plan so much as Lyons. Even the mighty Cats failed to score after half time last week. Whether the ultra-defensive gameplan will win the Saints a flag is yet to be revealed, but they play a fantastic defensive game. All the more reason why you cant afford to miss shots on goal against them.

But the basic premise remains. In accuracy in front of goal has cost us top spot. Its undeniable.

The fact that youve only kicked 4 goals and 6 goals against StKilda and Geelong isnt just bad luck. Both these teams are the two best preasure tackling sides going around. Watch a player in the VFL hit targets drill goals then watch him when the games speed increases in the AFL. A lot of Collingwood players dont like the preasure.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

They are the two best sides in the competition for a reason. Its not as if we got smashed in either game.

And it doesnt mean they are past the post, either.

Our skinny young 5-10 game players are fast becoming seasoned 50 gamers, while our Thomas/Shaw/Cloke/Pendelbury types are still around barely 100 games . We're in a transformation phase and while we're in that phase, while we're on the improve, we will still get outmuscled by the best from time to time. Last year we couldnt come near them. This year are getting a lot closer and we have a second hitout against both of them before the real stuff starts.

 

[Roby]

Here is an interesting stat.

Time in Front:
Collingwood 78%
Geelong 68%
St Kilda 62%
Hawthorn 59%
Bulldogs 58%
Fremantle 53%

 

[westie]

Well the other clubs have still not picked the right coaches and players then if they still haven't had success despite their "enlightened" boards, and have therefore all underachieved by not winning a Premiership.

If Malthouse coaching Collingwood is so good for other clubs (we're apparently certain never to see the ultimate success with him at the helm), then why do other club's supporters care so much to make threads like this?

Maybe it is because of the opinion that you have about yourselves!