Conspiracy Theory Mandates, Lockdowns, Covid-19, SARS-Cov-2 Thread - Get vaccinated.

[Slippery Pete]

When people get vaccinated, they can feel safe that they’re not gonna get infected/cut offf What did he say next, Pete?

“When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected. Whether they’re outdoors, or indoors. That’s the bottom line of that. To get people to appreciate, you get vaccinated, and you’re really quite safe from getting infected. There’ll always be breakthrough infections, but given the denominator of people who are vaccinated, that’s a very, very rare event.”


Full interview here:

 

[Malifice]

“When people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected. Whether they’re outdoors, or indoors. That’s the bottom line of that. To get people to appreciate, you get vaccinated, and you’re really quite safe from getting infected. There’ll always be breakthrough infections, but given the denominator of people who are vaccinated, that’s a very, very rare event.”


Full interview here:

How can you interpret a paragraph where the dude is saying 'There will always be breakthrough infections' as him saying 'the vaccine makes you immune to COVID'?

Not even an idiot could interpret that paragraph to mean 'vaccines make you immune from COVID' so no pass there. It's just been used (out of context, and without the surrounding text) as a form of deliberate misinformation to scare anti-vaxxers and put words in his mouth, he didnt actually say.

 

[Stokey]

You're doing a good job of it. You don't need his help.

Oh no! Look who's here.

No I didnt. That's a picture. Provide me a link to the quote, with the surrounding text please.

There has been a little too much deliberate misinformation or taking people out of context in this thread already.

I want to read the quote and the source please.

Fauci: Vaccinated people become ‘dead ends’ for the coronavirus

Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Biden, said during a discussion on Sunday about the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) decision to drop mask recommendati…

thehill.com

It's from the same video above.

This was the headline takeaway from that interview. If The Hill thought this what do think other networks used as their soundbyte that was shared with millions of Americans.

A 'dead end' is what he said. Undeniable.

 

[Malifice]

Is that seriously all you guys have?

Three quotes, deliberately taken out of context, where the author is (in the same sentence) saying the vaccines do NOT provide full immunity?

 

[Chief]

Slippery Pete did Fauci mention the variant? B117 wasn't it? That's Alpha, yeah?

 

[Slippery Pete]

How can you interpret a paragraph where the dude is saying 'There will always be breakthrough infections' as him saying 'the vaccine makes you immune to COVID'?

Not even an idiot could interpret that paragraph to mean 'vaccines make you immune from COVID' so no pass there. It's just been used (out of context, and without the surrounding text) as a form of deliberate misinformation to scare anti-vaxxers and put words in his mouth, he didnt actually say.

He said it’s a very rare event to get infected if you’ve been vaccinated.

That’s obviously turned out to be laughably untrue.

I’m not sure what part of that you’re refusing to acknowledge.

 

[Chief]

Oh no! Look who's here.

Which means ... what? I've seen you spinning your numpty anti-vax shit again and put my 2c in.

 

[Malifice]

Oh no! Look who's here.

Fauci: Vaccinated people become ‘dead ends’ for the coronavirus

Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Biden, said during a discussion on Sunday about the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) decision to drop mask recommendati…

thehill.com

It's from the same video above.

This was the headline takeaway from that interview. If The Hill thought this what do think other networks used as their soundbyte that was shared with millions of Americans.

A 'dead end' is what he said. Undeniable.

Hahahaha. From your source:

“So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it,” Fauci said.

Is that him saying the vaccine makes you immune from catching COVID?

Yes, or No?

 

[Malifice]

He said it’s a very rare event to get infected if you’ve been vaccinated.

That’s obviously turned out to be laughably untrue.

I’m not sure what part of that you’re refusing to acknowledge.

That's not my point.

Stokey made the claim that three people claimed the vaccine stops you from getting COVID.

The only way that's true for two of them, is to deliberately take them out of context (heck, Biden even directly claimed the opposite in the same quote, and only an idiot could interpret his speech as claiming the vaccine makes you immune).

We dont have anything for Faucci yet.

 

[Stokey]

Hahahaha. From your source:

“So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it,” Fauci said.

Is that him saying the vaccine makes you immune from catching COVID?

Yes, or No?

This is about transmission not Immunity. I see the goalpost are starting to shift.

 

[Malifice]

The head of the CDC, Fauci, Biden all said you will not catch Covid if you are vaccinated.

This is about transmission not Immunity. I see the goalpost are starting to shift.

No, you said they said 'if you get vaccinated, you can not catch COVID'.

Find me where Faucci said that. He's literally saying the exact opposite everywhere I can see. He's literally repeatedly saying breakthrough infections can (and do) occur with vaccinated people catching COVID.

 

[Slippery Pete]

That's not my point.

So you acknowledge what Fauci said in that video turned out to be wildy untrue?

I mean, sure, he didn‘t say you’ll never ever ever get COVID (is anybody even arguing that?) but he said for all intents and purposes it would stop transmission except in rare cases.

The complete opposite turned out to be true.

Instead of arguing with Stokey why aren’t you asking yourself how he could’ve gotten it so wrong?

That should be the takeaway from that video. It’s staggering watching that back how wrong he was.

 

[CM86]

This is about transmission not Immunity. I see the goalpost are starting to shift.

 

[Slippery Pete]

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This is just disingenuous pedantry to avoid acknowledging that Fauci got it wildly wrong.

Do you actually acknowledge that?

Because if you don’t you need to revisit the video.

 

[CM86]

This is just disingenuous pedantry to avoid acknowledging that Fauci got it wildly wrong.

Do you actually acknowledge that?

Because if you don’t you need to revisit the video.

What did he get wrong, on May 17, 2021?

 

[Malifice]

I mean, sure, he didn‘t say you’ll never ever ever get COVID (is anybody even arguing that?)

Yes. Stokey is. Its what I called him out on.

He's also saying Biden and the CDC said it (which is only true if you take them out of context and ignore literally everything else they said about breakthrough infections, and clearly stating the vaccines only reduce your chances of catching it, even in the same damn quote.)

but he said for all intents and purposes it would stop transmission except in rare cases.

No he said 'its very unlikely a vaccinated and infected person transmit it to others' and Im pretty sure he was talking about Delta at that stage as well (which the vaccine worked better against, and was less contagious) or maybe even Beta or whatever strain was dominant then.

We're seeing rapid infections now, because the vaccine is no where near as effective against Omicron in stopping infection.

What he said then, was probably a lot more correct against the earlier strains than the current one.

 

[CM86]

Transcript: All In with Chris Hayes, 5/17/21
ANTHONY FAUCI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES: Well, you know, it`s important to point out, Chris, that these are certainly breakthrough infections. Breakthrough infections mean, you have been vaccinated, but you still get infected. But the critical point is that I think seven out of eight or eight out of nine of them had no symptoms at all, which means it is very likely that the level of virus in their nasal pharynx is low, and they won`t transmit it.

So, although you don`t like to see breakthroughs, the fact is, this is one of the encouraging aspects about the efficacy of the vaccine. It protect you completely against infection. If you do get infected, the chances are that you`re going to be without symptoms, and the chances are very likely that you`ll not be able to transmit it to other people.

So, again, you don`t like to see breakthroughs, but to me, this is not something that`s a shocker to me at all.

HAYES: So, that -- I mean, look, we`re talking about large numbers, right. So, when you`re running things that iteratively large numbers, you`re going to have breakthrough infections, right. So, something is 95 percent of, you know, effective. We`ve got millions of people in this country where you get breakthrough infections.

But this relates, I think, to the CDC mass guidance, right? So, I guess the first question is, just -- this is just a point of information. What did you know about that guidance? What were you communicated by the CDC in terms of the timeline for when you found it out, and then had to communicate it to Americans?

FAUCI: Well, to be honest with you, Chris, I found out about it a couple of hours before it was announced. But the science behind it, I mean, obviously, there`s discussion and concern about the abruptness of the announcement and all that, but the science behind it, the fact that we know now that these vaccines are highly, highly effective, number one.

Number two, they`re really, really good against variants. I mean, the predominant variant in our country is the 117, the one that originated the U.K., it protects very well against that. And the other thing is that, and this relates to the New York Yankees situation, is that we`re learning now with recent studies, that even if you do get a breakthrough infection, when you`re vaccinated, the chances of you are transmitting it to someone else is exceedingly low.

So, low likelihood of transmission, low likelihood of getting infected. When you do get infected, the chances are, you`re going to be without symptoms. And because of that, that was the accumulating scientific data that prompted the CDC to make that recommendation, that when people are vaccinated, they can feel safe that they are not going to get infected, whether they`re outdoors or indoors. That`s the bottom line of that to get people to appreciate you get vaccinated and you`re really quite safe from getting infected.

There will always be breakthrough infections, but given the denominator of people who are vaccinated, that`s a very, very rare event. So, the bottom line trust is good news. And in many respects, it really is a big, you know, endorsement for why people should be getting vaccinated.

HAYES: So, I`m trying to think about how to -- I`ve been coming to this office since September, and we -- you know, we`ve got very -- COVID protocols, I wear a mask inside, I take the mask off to the show with my writer and stage manager, Eddie, who`s incredibly able, competent, incredible guy. He`s sitting there right now on his mask.

And, you know, I guess the question is like, you know, basic questions like, can Eddie and I just chill maskless now? I mean, I guess it`s like an NBC call or it`s an H.R. call. But the layers of policy here, I think, are what have people confused, right? Because we`re all -- we`re talking about big indoor spaces with other people.

We`re not making those decisions individually. We`re making them subject to some authority, a local municipality, their mask ordinance, the organization who work for. Like, is the idea that all those people should just drop it with indoor mask requirements?

FAUCI: You know, it, it is complicated in the sense that you`ve got to look at each individual situation. I mean, take an example of an establishment, a store, where we don`t have passports for vaccine.

HAYES: Right.

FAUCI: I mean, we don`t know who`s vaccinated and who`s not vaccinated. And I have heard of situations where I think are quite reasonable, that a person who owns an establishment says, OK, they say that you don`t have to wear a mask indoors if you`re vaccinated, but I am an establishment in which there may be people who are unvaccinated and infected and other people who are unvaccinated and not infected and there`s risk of transmitting in my establishment.

Therefore, that person has every right to say, when you come into my establishment, you better put a mask on otherwise don`t come in. And that`s actually happening under certain circumstances. But the bottom line of why this recommendation was made was to assure people that when they get vaccinated, they can feel safe, whatever circumstance they`re on, outdoors or indoors.

HAYES: That -- OK, that`s an important, I think, stress here. I want to -- I don`t want to belabor this too much, but I want to -- just two more questions if you`re willing to go with me here. So, one of them is --

FAUCI: Yes, sure, no problem.

HAYES: Yes. So, one of them is a process question which in some ways is the least interesting, but it has broader repercussions, right? And I think we saw there was real worry about the independence of the CDC in the last administration. The CDC had always been quite independent. They had usually been out front in this kind of thing. They were very clearly pulled back.

Dr. Nancy Messonnier who famously warned at the end of February you`re going to have to do remote schooling was basically never heard from again. She announced her retirement actually today, if I`m not mistaken. There`s this reporting -- you just said that you found it two hours ahead of the time, and that syncs with what Politico reported that Wednesday evening, a small huddle of senior White House aides were told about CDC`s decision. President Joe Biden was informed on Thursday morning. The announcement was coming just hours ahead of time, according to senior White House source.

I guess the question is like, is there such thing as too much independence? Is the kind of thing that there should maybe be a little more coordination on?

FAUCI: Yes. Well, you know, Chris, you know, you`re damned if you do and you`re damned if you don`t. I mean, obviously, you could argue about whether or not there should have been more planning about it and discussing about it. But the one thing that is true is that what you`re seeing now that you didn`t see before was a considerable degree of independence on the decision-making process based on the science.

HAYES: Clearly.

FAUCI: That`s the good news. There`s no doubt about that. The process, Chris, you could argue about could have been done differently. And I think you could have some good argument that it might have been done a little bit differently. But the fundamental basis upon which the decision was made was a sound scientific basis.

HAYES: I think I misspoke about Dr. Messonnier, so apologies if so. I have a bunch of names in my head. So, I guess -- I want to read this quote to you by Zeynep Tufekci. She`s a sociologist who studies pandemic, has been - - you know, I think, a good and reliable sort of public intellectual on this and was an early proponent of masking pointing to.

And she said this, basically. "The CDC guidelines are essentially implying the risk the vaccinated will transmit the virus to others, including their unvaccinated children is so vanishing low that it is not worth worrying about. But if that`s their position, they should see it clearly and explain it not just say fully vaccinated people have a reduced risk of transmitting the virus."

And what I`m hearing from you is kind of the first paragraph that like, if you`re vaccinated, you really don`t need to worry about getting it in a way that serious or transmitting it.

FAUCI: That is true. That is correct, Chris.

HAYES: That`s -- I think that`s clarifying for folks, honestly, because I think -- and I think the reason it`s clarifying is this. There was hesitancy in the beginning, I think, at the early part of the data to say that definitively because, and correct me if I`m wrong, there was worry that because the dependent variable that the drug trials were testing on were infections and not transmission.

FAUCI: Right.

HAYES: It remained possible, though not likely that there was some hidden risk of transmission, right? And what I`m getting from you and getting from the CDC is like, the data is coming back and that`s not a problem.

FAUCI: You nailed it, Chris. That`s correct.

HAYES: OK.

FAUCI: That`s absolutely correct. You know, that`s one of the thing. The CDC is a science-based institution. And when they make recommendations based on the science, often, they get criticized that they don`t come out and make a recommendation because they`re waiting for all the dots to be -- the T`s to be crossed, and the eyes to be dotted about it.

And now, when we say we have more cumulative information, it`s very clear. And that`s the reason why I`m on the show talking to you about it to help to clarify it. You`re absolutely right. You said it correctly. The risk is extremely low of getting infected, of getting sick or of transmitting it to anybody else, full stop.

HAYES: That`s really exciting, wonderful news. You know, my brother is getting married in a week, five days, six days. And I remember having on the program that two things I`ve been focused on is like, can I go to my brother`s wedding? My brother`s vaccinated wedding where everyone is going to be vaccinating, I think, and playing basketball.

And right now, here we are, it`s spring, Luke is getting married, and you and I are going to play basketball at some point this summer when we -- when we work out a date. I`m making you commit to that on air.

FAUCI: You got it. You got my commitment, Chris. You got it.

HAYES: All right, Dr. Anthony Fauci, come back whenever. Thank you. That was really, really, really illuminating and helpful. Thank you very much.

FAUCI: Good to be with you. Thanks for having me, Chris.

 

[CM86]

I mean, sure, he didn‘t say you’ll never ever ever get COVID (is anybody even arguing that?)

You were.

 

[footyfan1978]

I've run out of popcorn.
Damn!

 

[Stokey]

Which means ... what? I've seen you spinning your numpty anti-vax s**t again and put my 2c in.

I'm fully vaxxed and I wasn't mandated to so. I have not said to anyone not to get vaxxed other than children which I find totally unneccesary.

Anyone who disagrees must be anti-vax. Anyone who disagrees must be alt-right.

It's mind-numbingly dull. As is this disturbingly ravenous and quite frankly unhinged push by Mal to ban me.

No, you said they said 'if you get vaccinated, you can not catch COVID'.

Find me where Faucci said that. He's literally saying the exact opposite everywhere I can see. He's literally repeatedly saying breakthrough infections can (and do) occur with vaccinated people catching COVID.

But the papers and Im guessing many networks took the 'dead end' quote and ran with it and delivered it into millions of American homes.

This wasnt anti-vaxxers pushing it. This was credible pro vax publications.

 

[Malifice]

So the best we can do for Faucci is him stating:

''The vaccines dont stop you getting infected, and breakthrough infections happen' and with relation to Delta (or whatever strain was around in March 2021) that the vaccines in place against that variant 'greatly reduce the risks of passing it on to others as well.'

That's the best we can do for Faucci?

 

[CM86]

Anyone who disagrees must be anti-vax. Anyone who disagrees must be alt-right.

You pushing deliberate misinformation... makes you anti-vax.

You've had ample time to back your statement up. You can't.

Instead of reflecting on this, and questioning your position and beliefs... it's unfortunately just making you even more convinced that you're right.

Why not admit you're wrong, apologise, and correct people when you see them make the same mistake from now on?

 

[Malifice]

But the papers and Im guessing many networks took the 'dead end' quote and ran with it and delivered it into millions of American homes.

No, they didnt.

Social media grifters took those quotes deliberately out of context, and then tweeted them at you, trying to decieve you into thinking those three people said things, they did not in fact say.

Then cookers like you re-tweeted them. And then they became viral, on social media sites, just like this one, being shared, and retweeted and linked by millions.

This had the effect, of convincing idiots that those three people said something they did not say, and becoming anti-vaxxers, and being hesitant to take a perfectly safe and efficacious vaccine (that has literally saved millions of lives, stopped you from getting much sicker than you did) while also causing thousands of those vaxx hesitant people, to not take the vaccine, and then unnecessarily die.

You're one of those people who thought those three said something (vaccines provide immunity from infection), when it should (hopefully) be clear to you now, that they actually said the exact ****ing opposite.

If you're curious, thats one of the reasons we have the damn ban in the first place. We're actually trying to put a brake on that misinformation loop, and save a few lives.

This wasnt anti-vaxxers pushing it. This was credible pro vax publications.

Oh for ****s sake. No it wasnt.

Find me a credible 'pro vax' publication that pushed those misquotes.

Lets go double or nothing. Ill let you off for your Faucci lies and misinformation spreading from before if you can do it.

Double your points if you cant find it.

I'll give you another hour.

 

[Stokey]

You pushing deliberate misinformation... makes you anti-vax.

There are very few Vax or mask mandates remains anywhere in the world. I have been to Lithuania, Switzerland and Greece within the last month and I haven't been impeded by Covid restrictions at all.

But you want me banned now for spreading covid 'misinformation' for a vaccine the vast majority of people have already taken and are no longer are required to take.

It is utterly bizarre.

 

[Malifice]

There are very few Vax or mask mandates remains anywhere in the world. I have been to Lithuania, Switzerland and Greece within the last month and I haven't been impeded by Covid restrictions at all.

But you want me banned now for spreading covid 'misinformation' for a vaccine the vast majority of people have already taken and are no longer are required to take.

It is utterly bizarre.

Yet here you are, still posting misinformation on a vaccine thread, where the vaccine and virus are apparently a non issue anymore, and in a thead with a warning on post 1 saying that misinformation will get you banned.

That to me is even more bizzare.

If its such a non issue, why are you still here, spreading misinformation?