Conspiracy Theory Mandates, Lockdowns, Covid-19, SARS-Cov-2 Thread - Get vaccinated.

About Covid vaccines only: your opinion on mandates?

  • Mandatory vaccines for all, unvaxxed to concentration camps

    Votes: 13 12.9%

  • Mandatory vaccines for all jobs, no exceptions

    Votes: 13 12.9%

  • Mandatory vaccines for health, aged care & retail jobs

    Votes: 8 7.9%

  • Mandatory vaccines only for health & aged care jobs

    Votes: 10 9.9%

  • I don't care either way, it's up to each organisation

    Votes: 5 5.0%

  • Vaccine mandates are immoral and/or unjustified

    Votes: 52 51.5%
  • Total voters
    101

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Steele13 said:
Well old mate from NT did say that those against mandates are anti vaccine, which I think for an official who holds a position like that, is reckless and does nothing but promote more division and hatred.
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I haven't read his full quote, but it doesn't sound like it is helpful at all, no.
 
Gralin said:
Personally I think the line for mandates is do you care for vulnerable people, if so then yes its a fair requirement

eg work in an aged care home, hospital, special needs school etc fair
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Yep that's pretty much the line for me as well.

Instead of mandates for the rest (to get vaccine numbers up) I personally support vaccine incentives.

Something like: Get vaccinated before (time X) and you get a one off $2,000.00 payment from Centrelink (for those on benefits) or a tax cut of 2 percent off your earned income in F/Y 21/22 (for those on a salary).

The money also acts as a financial stimulus as well for the economy.
 

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Chief said:
Of course you are being obtuse here.

Firstly, SARS-Cov-2 is the virus, Covid-19 is the disease it causes.

However, here is an image of the SARS-Cov-2 virus taken through an electron microscope.

View attachment 1291065

www.nih.gov

Novel coronavirus structure reveals targets for vaccines and treatments

Researchers produced a detailed picture of the part of SARS-CoV-2—the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19—that allows it to infect human cells.
www.nih.gov www.nih.gov
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Sadly that is not photographic evidence.
 
Chief said:
No, I mean that you are talking as if this is the universal definition. This is not correct. Continuing to say that it is, after it has been pointed out that it is not (and without providing any proof but one person's opinion) is a misrepresentation of the state of things.

Now that this has been pointed out, please don't continue on with this.
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So the definition is subjective isn't it? Your definition, versus the NT Chief Minister's definition versus my definition... subjective. How can you make a rule around something as subjective and loose as 'anti-vax'. Furthermore what purpose does it achieve?
 
burge13 said:
Education building here shut for covid cleaning

Lucky we got vaccinated though eh. Really matters, really changes things doesn't

The galaxy brain required to defend this sh*t. Seriously, are you watching a different movie to the real world or what?!
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Our offsite office Christmas party for our 100% vaccinated workforce now switched to:
- on-site, outdoors
- QR code check-in
- stay 1.5m apart
- masks except when eating and drinking

Party 🥳!
 
Chief said:
For what reason are they against the Covid vaccines? That's the crux of it.
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My fall back stance is to avoid all medication unless it is distinctly needed.

Long story which I have posted elsewhere on BF, I will attempt to truncate it- I was on multiple medications for many years ie. gout, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, asthma puffers.... I decided after researching and taking charge of my own health to eventually gradually go off all medication without telling my GP, continued to get regular blood tests/BP readings etc. after a year or so I told my GP and he was gobsmacked. Nothing had changed, I was feeling fantastic and now a couple of years later everything is great, I take zero medication, however I did get the Flu vaccine due to it being required to visit my Aunt who was recently admitted to an aged care home.

I am not anti the medical industry, also posted this previously, I was diagnosed with cancer mid 2019 and was initially hesitant to get treatment but after some open dialogue with a great oncologist I decided to consent to 8 weeks of Chemo and Radiation, it worked, cancer is gone.

I have taken the Astrazenica vaccine reluctantly, mainly because of family pressure and it not being a hill I wanted to die on.

My view has been we should have thrown massive financial and societal support at the vulnerable ie. the elderly and those with comorbidities, and let children and adults in reasonable health who are at miniscule risk from Covid get on with their lives as per normal.... wear a mask if you want, social distance if you want, isolate if you want, no mandates.
 
Bumpswithagrin said:
So the definition is subjective isn't it? Your definition, versus the NT Chief Minister's definition versus my definition... subjective. How can you make a rule around something as subjective and loose as 'anti-vax'. Furthermore what purpose does it achieve?
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Nothing is perfect.

You need to understand that is how modding works. It is not perfect.

There's usually a hard line for any rule - e.g. "Vaccines don't work" or "Vaccines cause more damage than Covid".

Then outside of that there might be a fuzzy area where someone is allowed to have a go with a line of argument, and it either survives or doesn't.

Where I see someone stepping over the hard line they usually get an infraction. If not, a caution that this is not acceptable. Infractions later if they don't let it go.

Where we let it run, that's fine. When we see that an argument just leads to the hard line and never anywhere else, it will be seen as settled and cease to be acceptable. Sometimes it comes up in the future and it can be pointed out to the user, but if you were here when it was discussed and rejected, you'll likely get some sort of card or further caution depending on various things.

So you will be given plenty of warning and some leeway at first. But if you push it, then it's infractions or thread ban.

Screaming "SO I SUPPOSE OUR DICTATOR MODS WILL BAN US FOR POSTING THIS: " then posting some bullshit will just get you thread banned. We don't have to put up with that toxic behaviour. Other users shouldn't have to either.
 

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burge13 said:
Lucky we got vaccinated though eh. Really matters, really changes things doesn't
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Given vaccinated people only have a lower chance of catching and transmitting the virus, and of developing Covid-19, workplaces are going to be cautious. They have legal obligations to protect their staff in the workplace.
 
Chief said:
Given vaccinated people only have a lower chance of catching and transmitting the virus, and of developing Covid-19, workplaces are going to be cautious. They have legal obligations to protect their staff in the workplace.
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You can't seriously still be defending all this :tearsofjoy:

Covid has overtaken Islam as far as religious followers in Australia goes
 
burge13 said:
Our test. Only vaxxed allowed in yet capacity limits and masks?!

Please king cult Chief. Explain the logic behind your beloved restrictions, mandates and the effectiveness of vaccines which we were told, mattered?
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Well now you're just throwing ad homs at me. Because you think I have a differing opinion.

Isn't that what you guys want? For differing opinions to be heard?

Why would I answer you if you're just trying to insult me? Why would you think that, if you keep it up, it is going to lead anywhere but a card or a thread ban?
 
Bumpswithagrin said:
Sadly that is not photographic evidence.
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How?

It is literally an image of the virus taken with the equipment capable of capturing an image.

You wanted something taken with an iPhone? An old Kodak Instamatic?
 
Chief said:
Nothing is perfect.

You need to understand that is how modding works. It is not perfect.

There's usually a hard line for any rule - e.g. "Vaccines don't work" or "Vaccines cause more damage than Covid".

Then outside of that there might be a fuzzy area where someone is allowed to have a go with a line of argument, and it either survives or doesn't.

Where I see someone stepping over the hard line they usually get an infraction. If not, a caution that this is not acceptable. Infractions later if they don't let it go.

Where we let it run, that's fine. When we see that an argument just leads to the hard line and never anywhere else, it will be seen as settled and cease to be acceptable. Sometimes it comes up in the future and it can be pointed out to the user, but if you were here when it was discussed and rejected, you'll likely get some sort of card or further caution depending on various things.

So you will be given plenty of warning and some leeway at first. But if you push it, then it's infractions or thread ban.

Screaming "SO I SUPPOSE OUR DICTATOR MODS WILL BAN US FOR POSTING THIS: " then posting some bullshit will just get you thread banned. We don't have to put up with that toxic behaviour. Other users shouldn't have to either.
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I understand how modding works. I have been a mod on another forum.

Discussion of vaccinations should not be something that needs rules at all. Rules around abuse etc. fine but no opinions around discussions of health should be off limits. As someone posted earlier if you can't question it, it's not science it's propaganda.

With respect to anti-vaxxers, why not let them post their views? If their views are non scientific then others will be able to debate, debunk or dismiss so no harm done. Your argument that it's dangerous misinformation can't be true because if it's misinformation it will easily be debunked and therefore not dangerous.

Also, hasn't everyone on here got a mind of their own? We are all capable of sifting through the various arguments and making up our own minds.

The very nature of a discussion forum is opposing views, to shut down certain views because you don't agree with them is counter productive and the debate, debunk or dismiss process is eliminated so there is no way to advance our collective knowledge.
 
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Chief said:
Given vaccinated people only have a lower chance of catching and transmitting the virus, and of developing Covid-19, workplaces are going to be cautious. They have legal obligations to protect their staff in the workplace.
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Their legal obligations also extend to not coercing a staff member to undergo an experimental medical procedure they do not wish to have in order to keep their job.
 
Hey Chief , can you help me get this clear in my head please?

Will this Conspiracy board Covid thread be moderated just like the Covid threads on SRP/GD etc boards or will there be some leeway given? After all this is a conspiracy board and shouldn't conspiracies be allowed to be delved into without the threat of bans for thoughts/posts against the mainstream narrative.
 

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