Mandatory Vaccinations And Medical Exemptions

[WalshistheGOAT]

What if the bricklayer doesn't believe in concrete adhesive and is 20x more likely than other bricklayers to drop a brick on his apprentice's foot?

Firstly... unvaxxed are not 20x more likely to spread... secondly that is not the point. There's politicians who vehemently disagree with how much of their work operates but they still stick to procedures and what they are expected to do.

These nurses many of whom have been practising for years without any issues do not forget how to treat patients nor become existential threats because they are unvaccinated. They are perfectly capable workers who have been banished from the hospitals and now we are looking at a job shortage and undermanned medical centres in a time of crisis

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Reckon djokervic may have a few issues if he tries going out and about down here.
Could be some seriously bad press for vic and the aus open (china has been trying to poach the Asian open for years which won't help the situation)

Will he have to isolate in his hotel, except for practice? Will he get tested daily? Do other players and officials get tested daily?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Another anti-vaxer myth.

The fractured society was caused by people with political, religious and commercial vested interests.

This happened well before any Vax mandates were introduced.


In principle, I'm against Vax mandates. However there is a argument that it's brought society closer, rather than fracture it.

Never in my life have I witnessed the conflict between police and protestors, general disgust towards a group of people due to their medical history or the hatred towards politicians and leading institutions.

Whether I believe in vaccines or you believe in the abominable snowman doesn't change the fact that tensions in society are in a terrible spot and this has been a large part in that. Every night on the news you see stories of retail workers being abused or assaulted due to enforcing vaxx mandates etc. It's not good for anyone.

I believe a lot of anti vaxxers are overly aggressive loons who are much to blame for that but plenty are just regular people with general concerns and want to go about their lives the same way they used to.

 

[justlookingaround]

Firstly... unvaxxed are not 20x more likely to spread... secondly that is not the point. There's politicians who vehemently disagree with how much of their work operates but they still stick to procedures and what they are expected to do.

These nurses many of whom have been practising for years without any issues do not forget how to treat patients nor become existential threats because they are unvaccinated. They are perfectly capable workers who have been banished from the hospitals and now we are looking at a job shortage and undermanned medical centres in a time of crisis

Do you actually believe that the 0.1% of healthcare workers that have left their roles because of vaccine mandates is significantly contributing to the pressure that the health system is under? Or are you just using it as a hyperbolic gotcha point? Take for example in America in counties that do not mandate vaccinations to medical staff - where hospital systems have been over capacity because massive portions of staff have been off with COVID. It would cause a much larger strain on the workforce for healthcare workers to not be required to be vaccinated.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Never in my life have I witnessed the conflict between police and protestors, general disgust towards a group of people due to their medical history or the hatred towards politicians and leading institutions.

Whether I believe in vaccines or you believe in the abominable snowman doesn't change the fact that tensions in society are in a terrible spot and this has been a large part in that. Every night on the news you see stories of retail workers being abused or assaulted due to enforcing vaxx mandates etc. It's not good for anyone.

I believe a lot of anti vaxxers are overly aggressive loons who are much to blame for that but plenty are just regular people with general concerns and want to go about their lives the same way they used to.

You only have to read this forum - people are snarling at each other in every thread. Even the footy threads.

BigFooty used to be fun

 

[faible]

That doesn't mean anything at all? I'm vaxxed and have vastly differing opinions to you don't I? So my vaccination status has almost 0 relevance when discussing societal conflict...

It probably indicates that the divide is much less to one side than the other.

The vast majority of adults in Australia are happy to be vaccinated.

A few anti-science types are not.

 

[faible]

Whether I believe in vaccines

Vaccines aren't a religion.

You can't 'believe' in them.

They're either demonstrated to be safe and effective, or they're not.

In this case, all vaccines approved for use in Australia are safe and effective.

You can't 'believe in' anything here.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It probably indicates that the divide is much less to one side than the other.

The vast majority of adults in Australia are happy to be vaccinated.

A few anti-science types are not.

Once again willingness to get vaccinated has no bearing on one's beliefs about the matter. I'd say almost half my friends only got it due to the mandate and generally disagree with how the government has gone about it.

They still get into arguments all the time about the mandate yet almost all of them are double jabbed... no correlation

 

[faible]

Once again willingness to get vaccinated has no bearing on one's beliefs about the matter. I'd say almost half my friends only got it due to the mandate and generally disagree with how the government has gone about it.

They still get into arguments all the time about the mandate yet almost all of them are double jabbed... no correlation

You realise health workers were already mandated to get vaccines before COVID right?

Being anti-vaxx as a healthcare worker is very relevant.

Being anti-vaxx as an individual is also ignorant.

Having issues with mandates, does not make one anti-vaxx.

They're very different.

 

[sr36]

Will he have to isolate in his hotel, except for practice? Will he get tested daily? Do other players and officials get tested daily?

I'd assume it's no, no and no. Unvaxxed don't have to isolate, get tested daily and vaxed don't have to get tested if they come into contact with anyone who is vaxed.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

BigFooty used to be fun

When??

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

When??

Same time as when I typed that statement

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Once again willingness to get vaccinated has no bearing on one's beliefs about the matter. I'd say almost half my friends only got it due to the mandate and generally disagree with how the government has gone about it.

They still get into arguments all the time about the mandate yet almost all of them are double jabbed... no correlation

So you didn't notice a division prior to the mandates? Did you sleep through the lockdowns? Miss the mask mandates?
Did you miss the anti-lockdown protests?

The mandates only came in a few months back. ****wits have been actively trying to use this pandemic as a division tactic for nearly 2 years.

Once their nonsense gets proven to be lies, they move on to the next thing. And dickheads fall for it.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Never in my life have I witnessed the conflict between police and protestors, general disgust towards a group of people due to their medical history or the hatred towards politicians and leading institutions.

Whether I believe in vaccines or you believe in the abominable snowman doesn't change the fact that tensions in society are in a terrible spot and this has been a large part in that. Every night on the news you see stories of retail workers being abused or assaulted due to enforcing vaxx mandates etc. It's not good for anyone.

I believe a lot of anti vaxxers are overly aggressive loons who are much to blame for that but plenty are just regular people with general concerns and want to go about their lives the same way they used to.

That's not the fault of vaccines, masks, or mandates.

That's the fault of antivaxxers being rude abusive khunts.

Maybe direct your outrage towards them instead?

 

[Home Alone]

Both the UK and the SA studies looked at prior PCR positives and then at positives again after at least a 90 day interval between the positives. Its crude, but gives a basic indicator.
Of course any asymptomatic infections would be missed.
The UK found 1500 omicron likely reinfections out of a case number of 15,000
It will be interesting to analyse this later as both studies were done quite early (Dec).

Report 49 - Growth, population distribution and immune escape of Omicron in England

Report 49 - Growth, population distribution and immune escape of Omicron in England

www.imperial.ac.uk

Increased risk of SARS-CoV-2 reinfection associated with emergence of the Omicron variant in South Africa

Objective To examine whether SARS-CoV-2 reinfection risk has changed through time in South Africa, in the context of the emergence of the Beta, Delta, and Omicron variants Design Retrospective analysis of routine epidemiological surveillance data Setting Line list data on SARS-CoV-2 with...

www.medrxiv.org

Thanks for posting the link.

Sorry. I had jumped the gun and assumed they were further advanced than the initial shakedown data analysis.

 

[sr36]

That's not the fault of vaccines, masks, or mandates.

That's the fault of antivaxxers being rude abusive khunts.

Maybe direct your outrage towards them instead?

Except any mandates are currently pointless somewhat vindictive idealism. Vaccination isn't stopping spread and everybody who was going to be persuaded by the mandate, has already been persuaded. So they're not going to reduce hospitalisations either. What is the current reason for them?

 

[theyellowsash]

Hope he wins it just for the ultimate sook people will have

he doesnt deserve to win even without all of his antivax lunacy. biggest campaigner ive ever seen in world sport. harbajan singh is a better bloke.

 

[theyellowsash]

Except any mandates are currently pointless somewhat vindictive idealism. Vaccination isn't stopping spread and everybody who was going to be persuaded by the mandate, has already been persuaded. So they're not going to reduce hospitalisations either. What is the current reason for them?

the mandate exists to make people get it to reduce transmission (which it still does, even though its small) and prevent people ending up in hospital if they do catch it.

the only alternative would be to make people pay for their hospital visit if they arent vaccinated, which we could never do.

 

[sr36]

the mandate exists to make people get it to reduce transmission (which it still does, even though its small) and prevent people ending up in hospital if they do catch it.

the only alternative would be to make people pay for their hospital visit if they arent vaccinated, which we could never do.

It will only prevent hospitalisation if it actually persuades people to vaccinate. Seems to me that the mandate has done a great job of pressuring the reluctant and resulted in much higher vax rates than most thought would occur, and we're just left with those who won't succumb to the pressure of the mandate, so they're now pointless and are just a focal point for nutty anger and resentment.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

That's not the fault of vaccines, masks, or mandates.

That's the fault of antivaxxers being rude abusive khunts.

Maybe direct your outrage towards them instead?

It absolutely is the fault of the mandates as much as it is the abusive ....s - Mandates are something which doesnt sit well with a large (not majority but enough to cause havoc) portion of the public and can cause great stress and anxiety for many who feared losing their livelihoods. There is undeniable evidence of government corruption throughout history and therefor now days some members of society are left with 0 trust in these institutions. Most people I know who live this way want the government to stay out of their lives as much as possible and they will go about paying their taxes and living their lives with minimal interaction with said institutes. When the government then mandates these people to take something that they aren't comfortable taking or risk losing your job it enrages these people and adds to the division and spite they feel towards those in power.

When a retail worker then is forced to enforce a policy they largely couldnt care less about or risk massive fines and closure of business they then become the first line on a battlefront not of their choosing while the politicians hide behind their security escorts and in the shadows of parliament house.

You are then left with a bunch of angry and anxious people who feel targeted by the mandates, and a group of people who blindly enforce the rules against these people. A conflict is only natural, although a poor outcome it is one which is expected.


Now that omicron is running through society theres bordering on 0 reason to maintain said mandate and it leads to nothing but anger and hostility from a select group of people.

I for one would like to see these mandates lifted as we have adequate spread of vaccination and the numpties who scream and fit over being asked for their vaxx passport can go back to living their lives on the fringe of society.

 

[Roby]

I didn't realise Djokovic could get a medical exemption for being a selfish arseh*le. Remember when he tried to cheat by taking too much time between each serve point? Will he cite as that an exemption for not being vaccinated?

I just arrived yesterday from Singapore and being asked to do a test. I went to three different places couldn't get one.

Noticed nobody here is wearing masks, and people coughing as well not covering, nothing like this in SE Asia.

Interestingly enough only westerners acted like this over there. They're so special and above everyone aren't they.

 

[My Tilly]

I didn't realise Djokovic could get a medical exemption for being a selfish arseh*le. Remember when he tried to cheat by taking too much time between each serve point? Will he cite as that an exemption for not being vaccinated?

I just arrived yesterday from Singapore and being asked to do a test. I went to three different places couldn't get one.

Noticed nobody here is wearing masks, and people coughing as well not covering, nothing like this in SE Asia.

Interestingly enough only westerners acted like this over there. They're so special and above everyone aren't they.

You are aware people are acclimatized to wearing masks over there. It's been part of their societies for decades.

I am not surprised Westerners are still catching on.

 

[Lions time]

You are aware people are acclimatized to wearing masks over there. It's been part of their societies for decades.

I am not surprised Westerners are still catching on.

Over here in Japan people have basically been wearing masks for 2 years. We had our highest spike in numbers while the whole country was masked. Now we have reduced testing and only severe cases are admitted to hospitals our numbers have dropped drastically even with Omicron. Conversely South Korea which mirrors Japan with masking is seeing large numbers infected.


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[faible]

we have reduced testing

our numbers have dropped drastically

I’m seeing a connection here…

 

[fixxxer]

I didn't realise Djokovic could get a medical exemption for being a selfish arseh*le. Remember when he tried to cheat by taking too much time between each serve point? Will he cite as that an exemption for not being vaccinated?

I just arrived yesterday from Singapore and being asked to do a test. I went to three different places couldn't get one.

Noticed nobody here is wearing masks, and people coughing as well not covering, nothing like this in SE Asia.

Interestingly enough only westerners acted like this over there. They're so special and above everyone aren't they.

What is the viral load of someone with natural anti-bodies to COVID?