Matt Prior the cheat

[maka]

Ok this is the only defence Prior can use, watch the video again.

What happened is the ball has clipped the bail (it didnt dislodge) Prior never looked at the wicket because he was looking at Johnos feet for the stumping, his glove has brushed the bail which Prior has not realised, then when he sees Johnos foot is actually grounded but the bail dislodged he thinks it has bowled him.

Yes, and it's a reflex to lunge at the stump when you take a ball and the batsman is off balance. He does this, but stops himself from breaking the stumps properly as Johnson's foot doesn't lift. As such, his gloves only just nudge the bail, it's the softest of soft touches. He also would have been looking at Johnson's back foot, so it's easily possible he didn't see or feel his gloves hit the stumps. As far as he's concerned, he's pulled out of breaking the stumps, but the bail has fallen off, so he thinks that the ball has done it (and given the ball flicked the stump on the way through, fair enough).

Pretty similar?

 

[BarneyBent]

Pretty similar?

Reasonably. Have you noticed that I've been making that argument since the moment it happened? Check the match thread if you want. Or you could just flick through the thread a bit earlier. If anything, I should be accusing you of copying me.

 

[Jimpson]

Inners are part of the game and uniform

It doesnt specifically state anywhere that inners are part of the uniform, so according to you (you mentioned earlier there was no specific allowance for a squash ball) that is not part of the uniform.

Gilchrist was wearing the squash ball in his glove, in the same way that inners are worn within a glove. Both defined as clothing. You cant pick and choose what is and isnt allowed when both are used for the same purpose (grip).

 

[maka]

It doesnt specifically state anywhere that inners are part of the uniform, so according to you (you mentioned earlier there was no specific allowance for a squash ball) that is not part of the uniform.

Gilchrist was wearing the squash ball in his glove, in the same way that inners are worn within a glove. Both defined as clothing. You cant pick and choose what is and isnt allowed when both are used for the same purpose (grip).

Qstn: Why do shoes have rubber soles and not cotton?

 

[Jimpson]

Qstn: Why do shoes have rubber soles and not cotton?

Because a day of walking around on cotton soles would shred thru them?

 

[maka]

Because a day of walking around on cotton soles would shred thru them?

or the shock that rubber absorbs over cotton

 

[Jimpson]

or the shock that rubber absorbs over cotton

and? I'm pretty sure you'll find cricket gloves have rubber in them.

 

[maka]

and? I'm pretty sure you'll find cricket gloves have rubber in them.

very good, but not completely made out of rubber, infact you are probably looking at 3%, what i am getting at, the force of the ball is completely absorbed by the squash ball taking out the ripple effect to the hand, therefore you have more control over the bat, you have more power etc, like running in shoes vs bare feet, its a lot more comfortable and you can go a lot futhur, you can debate that, thats fine. The whole idea was so he couldnt grip the handle as hard and therefore it gave him control of the bat, it also absorbed the shock effect which gave him more power and control, which you can debate also, i am happy to listen you seem too have knowledge.

 

[Jimpson]

very good, but not completely made out of rubber, infact you are probably looking at 3%, what i am getting at, the force of the ball is completely absorbed by the squash ball taking out the ripple effect to the hand, therefore you have more control over the bat, you have more power etc, like running in shoes vs bare feet, its a lot more comfortable and you can go a lot futhur, you can debate that, thats fine. The whole idea was so he couldnt grip the handle as hard and therefore it gave him control of the bat, it also absorbed the shock effect which gave him more power and control, which you can debate also, i am happy to listen you seem too have knowledge.

No i dont think I will debate with you that wearing shoes is better than running barefoot

Sounds to me like Gilly has revolutionised batting. He's found a way to reduce shock, add power and cause you to hit 140 in a world cup final. All the other batsmen in the world must be using the squash ball then. Oh wait.

Inners have the same properties in that they help the batsmen grip, hence cause better placement and more power. There is absolutely no difference.

Besides, I dont think Gilly had the squash ball in between his hand and the handle, he had it next to the handle to block the handle from slipping. There's no compression, there's no ripple and there's no spring.

 

[maka]

No i dont think I will debate with you that wearing shoes is better than running barefoot

Sounds to me like Gilly has revolutionised batting. He's found a way to reduce shock, add power and cause you to hit 140 in a world cup final. All the other batsmen in the world must be using the squash ball then. Oh wait.

Inners have the same properties in that they help the batsmen grip, hence cause better placement and more power. There is absolutely no difference.

Besides, I dont think Gilly had the squash ball in between his hand and the handle, he had it next to the handle to block the handle from slipping. There's no compression, there's no ripple and there's no spring.

I think it is illegal because its a foreign object, but if the MCC have no dramas, i dont see why most players wouldnt be doing it now.

 

[Jimpson]

I think it is illegal because its a foreign object, but if the MCC have no dramas, i dont see why most players wouldnt be doing it now.

Because it wouldnt work. Gilly used it for the whole tournament and did nothing until the final.

 

[maka]

Because it wouldnt work. Gilly used it for the whole tournament and did nothing until the final.

I dont think that is fact, i think on the eve of the final he got advice from a player / previous coach, hence too him pointing at it when he made his 100. First the bat raise to acknowledge the crowd and his mates followed by the point to the hand due to the advice offered, i have not read up on this i am sorry.

 

[Jimpson]

I dont think that is fact, i think on the eve of the final he got advice from a player / previous coach, hence too him pointing at it when he made his 100. First the bat raise to acknowledge the crowd and his mates followed by the point to the hand due to the advice offered, i have not read up on this i am sorry.

Meuleman, who had been Damien Martyn's batting coach, was so confident Gilchrist would have a huge impact on the final that he was keen to translate this into a financial windfall. But superstition got the better of him.
"He used it all the tournament but he didn't use it in the semi-final against South Africa," Meuleman said.
"Before the final he was umming and ahhing about whether to use it, and thought 'bugger it, if I get a hundred I have to show Bob and if I don't use it, it might bring bad luck'.


It wasnt a magic elixir, he just happened to click in the final. Was averaging 30 up the final even against minnows, you could argue that it was detrimental to his game up to that point.

 

[Jimthegreat]

I just saw the Prior incident now. I recorded it as a I had a Personal Training client at the time.

It did not look good at all. I got to give him a dubious benefit of the doubt. I actually think, and it's almost unbelievable, that he thought once the bail was dislodged, even if it landed back on top of the stump, that the batsman was out bowled. Even most 10yo's knows that's not out though. But there's many a footballer that doesn't know all the rules of the game, plus you wouldn't so stupid to cheat so blatantly with so many scrutinising cameras about,. So for that alone I'll just give him the benefit. Looked real bad though.

 

[maka]

I just saw the Prior incident now. I recorded it as a I had a Personal Training client at the time.

It did not look good at all. I got to give him a dubious benefit of the doubt. I actually think, and it's almost unbelievable, that he thought once the bail was dislodged, even if it landed back on top of the stump, that the batsman was out bowled. Even most 10yo's knows that's not out though. But there's many a footballer that doesn't know all the rules of the game, plus you wouldn't so stupid to cheat so blatantly with so many scrutinising cameras about,. So for that alone I'll just give him the benefit. Looked real bad though.

in the 47th over he called for a nicked behind of a wide, i dont think he really cares about what people think of him.

 

[Jimthegreat]

in the 47th over he called for a nicked behind of a wide, i dont think he really cares about what people think of him.

Every keeper tries that stunt trying to bluff or distract the umpire enough so as not to call a wide.

 

[maka]

Every keeper tries that stunt trying to bluff or distract the umpire enough so as not to call a wide.

so true, but to walk down calling for the replay, pleading with the captain too call for the replay?

 

[Jimthegreat]

so true, but to walk down calling for the replay, pleading with the captain too call for the replay?

Yeah, forgot about the replay bit. He didn't have a good night.

 

[TheBrownlowMan37]

I have no idea what Prior was thinking, the only reason i can come up with for Cheating is "When in Rome, You do what the Romans do."

In other words you have nothing valid to add to the discussion.

 

[maka]

Yeah, forgot about the replay bit. He didn't have a good night.

its been a long hot summer, he has also played for Victoria in the 20 / 20 domestics, hes mind is warped by the heat we are facing

 

[sherb]

I just saw the Prior incident now. I recorded it as a I had a Personal Training client at the time.

It did not look good at all. I got to give him a dubious benefit of the doubt. I actually think, and it's almost unbelievable, that he thought once the bail was dislodged, even if it landed back on top of the stump, that the batsman was out bowled. Even most 10yo's knows that's not out though. But there's many a footballer that doesn't know all the rules of the game, plus you wouldn't so stupid to cheat so blatantly with so many scrutinising cameras about,. So for that alone I'll just give him the benefit. Looked real bad though.

You're more generous than I am.

 

[Thermo]

But he didnt, he used a squash ball which is like putting a lead weight in a glove in boxing, its illegal if the match officials dont know about (i know its not like putting a lead weight in a glove, but i had to compare it too something), on the bat thing, i have edited my post way before you decided to go on a rant about changing the bat size, thankyou

That is a terrible analogy. Altering the bat's blade could be comparable to weights in bloxing gloves, but certainly not altering a batsmans gloves.

Heres an exerpt to put you in your place.

For batsmen, helmets, pads, gloves and forearm guards are all listed as permitted.

"None has any definition or prescription," the MCC said.

"Since there is no restriction in law even on the external form of batting gloves, let alone the interior thereof, no law has been breached."

source

 

[maka]

That is a terrible analogy. Altering the bat's blade could be comparable to weights in bloxing gloves, but certainly not altering a batsmans gloves.

Heres an exerpt to put you in your place.


source

Its been discussed and solved, thankyou for your input

 

[Heisenberg_]

I have no idea what Prior was thinking, the only reason i can come up with for Cheating is "When in Rome, You do what the Romans do."

Do you really want to compare incidents of cheating from England with Australoa?
No sane Englishman would because they would look damn stupid, but with comments like what you just made it wouldn't be a new thing now would it?

 

[Tyberious Funk]

EDIT: Forget about it.