Matt Rendell = Genius

[bigman]

This thread is embarrassing. You do realise we are currenty sitting in 14th place with one of the worst young midfields in the competition.

Captain.. Captain... my captain.

I dont know if Rendell is a genius, but he has certainly got us back into the first picks of the draft with some good selections.....Dangerman... Philthy Phil....Smithy and Jenny. THis has to be a tick.

Our list Captain was sheissenhausen - if your depeneding on Reilly and Doughty to be your leaders -solid players they are - particuarly Doughty - you know you are in trouble. We have few top players or stars over 25 - Rutten, Johncock, Thommo may be the only ones we have -apologies to anyone I missed.

He had to start somewhere - the spine is where most people say you should go to first. Get the skeleton up first and then add the midfield skin and muscle. I heard David King on SEN the other day talk about getting particular parts of your team right first then once that has been completed fix up the other weaknesses later. A tick in my view.

Yes he may have overloaded on talls - but not all are going to work out. At least we can tweak this area from now on and we may be able to use one two that have fallen out of favour or cannot get on the park or wish to leave for more opportunity. Still a tick in my view.

Midfielders take less time to reach their peak so it makes more sense to go after the talls first.

Thompson Rutten
Otten Talia
Centre
Davis
Walker Tippett

Jacobs
Mckernan

Reserves - not on the bench - Young, Craig, Von Betouch.

Not a bad side - Thompson is one of the quickest at AFC. Otten could easily play HBF.

Now fill up the spaces withsome good mids and flankers and specialist forwards and see what damage we can do in 2 years time.

 

[Lawrst]

His test is coming, can he pick out a Shoey in the next few drafts? Another sloane who is ready made?

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Captain.. Captain... my captain.

I dont know if Rendell is a genius, but he has certainly got us back into the first picks of the draft with some good selections.....Dangerman... Philthy Phil....Smithy and Jenny. THis has to be a tick.

Our list Captain was sheissenhausen - if your depeneding on Reilly and Doughty to be your leaders -solid players they are - particuarly Doughty - you know you are in trouble. We have few top players or stars over 25 - Rutten, Johncock, Thommo may be the only ones we have -apologies to anyone I missed.

He had to start somewhere - the spine is where most people say you should go to first. Get the skeleton up first and then add the midfield skin and muscle. I heard David King on SEN the other day talk about getting particular parts of your team right first then once that has been completed fix up the other weaknesses later. A tick in my view.

Yes he may have overloaded on talls - but not all are going to work out. At least we can tweak this area from now on and we may be able to use one two that have fallen out of favour or cannot get on the park or wish to leave for more opportunity. Still a tick in my view.

Midfielders take less time to reach their peak so it makes more sense to go after the talls first.

Thompson Rutten
Otten Talia
Centre
Davis
Walker Tippett

Jacobs
Mckernan

Reserves - not on the bench - Young, Craig, Von Betouch.

Not a bad side - Thompson is one of the quickest at AFC. Otten could easily play HBF.

Now fill up the spaces withsome good mids and flankers and specialist forwards and see what damage we can do in 2 years time.

Don't get me wrong Bigman he's done a good job, especially when compared to the last guy -although that's wasn't hard to do-but lets not go declaring him a genius just yet. He has done well with the talls no doubt, but it will be his recruiting of midfielders in the next 3 years which will determine how quickly we can get back into contention.


Given our desperate need to develop "quality" midfielders we should be using the rest of the year to develop the likes of Danger, Smith, Martin and Riley. We've seen enough of Reilly, Douglas, Symes to know none of them have the ability to be the top line midfielders we so desperately need.

Time to move on from the plodders and back youth.

 

[ruscy002]

I still believe that this short term pain will be worth the long term gain IF Rendell's aim is true in the next couple of drafts.

There will be some rise and fall out of our current crop of young talls, but for the most part, we're set for KPP's for the next 10 years (assuming we can keep them all). It's a rare thing to be able to say that.

Two potential star midfielders in the next two years - that's the equation. If Rendell can do this with the picks at his disposal then we're flying. Sure there's a bit of lead time to get the experience into them but it's a hell of a lot shorter than the lead time for KPP's.

 

[Elite Crow]

But according to Craig we dont need any more inside mids, the ones we have are just fine. Doesnt gel with getting smashed in clearances though does it?

 

[adelaidecrows]

For those that doubt the reasoning for drafting so many talls as a sound one when we could have drafted top end midfield talent all you have to do is look over the drafts in those years.

Remember you cant just assume we would have taken guys who are starring now in the midfield if we hadn't drafted the talls, what you need to look at is the next in line midfielder from the tall we took. So say we didnt draft Otten possible the next player we would have taken is Levi Greenwood. In 2008 we drafted Davis with pick 10 just ahead of Sidebottom and McKernan just ahead of Beams. Yes absolutly proven to be gun midfielders and would be great to have. In 2009 we would have Jetta and Tutt instead of Talia and Gunston.

So now we have our midfield battery that you all wanted to help thommo and take us to that next level. But now with Gold Coast comming in we decide we want talls so instead of smith we get Atley and instead of Lyons we get Derrickx to help our ruck stocks. This year we fight with Gold Coast, brisbane, Port and GWS for quality Talls in the draft.

What you now need to do is create your best 22 with no Bock, Davis, Otten, McKernan etc, add Stevens retirement to that list, but we can assume we still took guys like Luke Thompson and traded Tambling and Jacobs in.

Are you hapy with the side? genuinly happy and of the assumption we will win a premiership with the midfield group we picked up.

for those that said we perhaps needed a better balance of drafting, who do you draft from our talls and who do you leave out? keeping in mind the current position the squad is in.

But because we have our battery of talls we can now build a midfield assault that is ready made and can take that next step.

 

[ruscy002]

But according to Craig we dont need any more inside mids, the ones we have are just fine. Doesnt gel with getting smashed in clearances though does it?

I personally think that this is more to do with coaching - I just refuse to believe that we're as bad as we have been with guys like Dangerfield, Thompson, Sloane, Douglas and now Petrenko sniffing around those packs.

In terms of drafting strategy, it's more about class and speed than inside/outside balance IMO.

 

[Mr Crow!]

With Daniel Tahlia making an awesome debut tonight it was the final piece of a successful drafting strategy for the last four years.

If this has been a successful drafting strategy for ... four years ... why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

A successful drafting strategy over four seasons would surely result in succes on the field, no?

 

[adelaidecrows]

If this has been a successful drafting strategy for ... four years ... why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

A successful drafting strategy over four seasons would surely result in succes on the field, no?

wow, did you even read the post?

please dont comment unless you choose to think about your answer first.

 

[Mad Fan of AFL]

I was keen on drafting Jetta too

 

[Paladin]

I personally think that this is more to do with coaching - I just refuse to believe that we're as bad as we have been with guys like Dangerfield, Thompson, Sloane, Douglas and now Petrenko sniffing around those packs.

In terms of drafting strategy, it's more about class and speed than inside/outside balance IMO.

Yeah i dont think we need more inside mids, we need a couple more david mackays. Plus a jetta or 2. Not sure why we cant win clearances. Jacobs will be much better in a year or 2. Showing some great signs.

 

[dplggr47]

Moran should be excluded from the OP. surely he won't be on the list next year...

 

[Mego Red]

For mine, Jetta instead of Talia and one of Shiels, Beams and Hannebery instead of McKernan.

And Rockliff instead of Tom Lee.

 

[hugecannon]

Menzel or Fyfe instead of Talia for mine, didn't disagree with Davis and McKernan as our first 2 picks but Rockliff instead of Lee and McKenzie instead of Young.

 

[cmndstab]

If this has been a successful drafting strategy for ... four years ... why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

A successful drafting strategy over four seasons would surely result in succes on the field, no?

We can probably start to make adjucations on the selections made four years ago, yes.

It's much harder to make adjucations on the last four years as a whole yet though, because they include the last couple of years, where we're unlikely to really see much from the tall recruits.

 

[thebirdman 24]

I personally think that this is more to do with coaching - I just refuse to believe that we're as bad as we have been with guys like Dangerfield, Thompson, Sloane, Douglas and now Petrenko sniffing around those packs.

In terms of drafting strategy, it's more about class and speed than inside/outside balance IMO.

But we hardly go with that setup, Dangers up forward, Sloanes all over the shop, its more like Thompson, Douglas and Reilly, and apart from Thompson, that is a average centre square.

I think we just need to load up on a few more mids over the next few years, Carlton picked mid after mid and now look at them, starting to seriously challenge, yet lacking a 2nd key forward.

Also there seems to be a bit of a setup issue, ignoring tonights wet game, where tactics are almost out of the window, our centre square setup has some glaring problems. Jacobs usually wins the tap, yet our players are out of position. I refuse to believe thats a problem with Jacobs exclusively.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I thought Talia's debut was full of promise however I still believed that we are a gun midfielder short and that either one of the Davis, McKernan or Talia selections should have been used for a quality mid

 

[cmndstab]

I thought Talia's debut was full of promise however I still believed that we are a gun midfielder short and that either one of the Davis, McKernan or Talia selections should have been used for a quality mid

The McKernan one is an interesting question. He was viewed as a slider at that pick. Should we pass him up, simply because we want a mid, when we might not get such quality in smalls as we would get from the taller McKernan? Sometimes what happens earlier in the draft dictates your selection.


It was the same story with Talia. We expected to go for a small, but clubs above us took the talls we were looking at, and let Talia slide. Should we stick to our desire to draft midfielders, even though the ones we were most hoping to get are gone, or should we go for the tall we rate well above our own selection? If we did rate Talia as a tall worthy of a single-figure pick, we probably needed to take him because we knew we were/are unlikely to get any single-figure picks in the following two draft periods.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Menzel or Fyfe instead of Talia for mine, didn't disagree with Davis and McKernan as our first 2 picks but Rockliff instead of Lee and McKenzie instead of Young.

guys you cant just assume we would have picked those players. yes it would be great to have those players but its anyones guess who craig rated the best midfielder at the time.

Moran played well and he is only 24. moran should be on the list next year, its maric who wont be and we need to maintain some depth in our rucking.

 

[LC40]

This headline is a joke right...genius....
we are 14th on the ladder and still a lot of picks away from being a premiership threat.
Talia played well in the wet I hope he is a find but lets see how he performs in the dry on a mobile marking forward.
First game and now we are all set for the future.
Yes Rendell has outlined his strategy and I for one are hoping all the pieces come together but I think calling him a genius is a bit rich.

Now if the title was Stephen Wells = Genius I would certainly agree.

Your judged on results in this game not theories but time will tell.

 

[Vader]

This headline is a joke right...genius....
we are 14th on the ladder and still a lot of picks away from being a premiership threat.
Talia played well in the wet I hope he is a find but lets see how he performs in the dry on a mobile marking forward.
First game and now we are all set for the future.
Yes Rendell has outlined his strategy and I for one are hoping all the pieces come together but I think calling him a genius is a bit rich.

Now if the title was Stephen Wells = Genius I would certainly agree.

Your judged on results in this game not theories but time will tell.

You do realise that Matt Rendell wasn't involved in any way at all with our recruiting prior to 2007?

 

[LC40]

You do realise that Matt Rendell wasn't involved in any way at all with our recruiting prior to 2007?

And????

 

[cmndstab]

And????

..and our form on the field in 2011 reflects much more highly on what happened in draft years previous to 2007 than it does on the more recent draft years. Thereby making your refuting of the thread title by looking squarely at the ladder seem somewhat misguided.

 

[LC40]

..and our form on the field in 2011 reflects much more highly on what happened in draft years previous to 2007 than it does on the more recent draft years. Thereby making your refuting of the thread title by looking squarely at the ladder seem somewhat misguided.

I was just pointing out our reality (14th ) and that the term genius normally invokes images of someone who has done something stunning and turned around ones fortunes.
Rendell is being hailed one because someone/some people have bought into his particular vision for the future.

What I am witnessing is that without the likes of Rutten,Johncock, Thompson,Tippett we would trully be in the proverbial and no 2007 draft and beyond has changed our plight greatly.

I did say time will tell but that time is not yet here.

My point still stands Stephen Wells is a recruiting genius, Rendell hasn't earnt that title yet!

 

[adelaidecrows]

I was just pointing out our reality (14th ) and that the term genius normally invokes images of someone who has done something stunning and turned around ones fortunes.
Rendell is being hailed one because someone/some people have bought into his particular vision for the future.

What I am witnessing is that without the likes of Rutten,Johncock, Thompson,Tippett we would trully be in the proverbial and no 2007 draft and beyond has changed our plight greatly.

I did say time will tell but that time is not yet here.

My point still stands Stephen Wells is a recruiting genius, Rendell hasn't earnt that title yet!

My original statement was based on the strategy of drafting quality talls due to the drafts being corrupted in 2010 and 2011. So the crows are now in a unique position of having to not have to shop for talls but we can focus solely on obtaining midfield talent. Gold Coast and GWS key focus is Talls and lots of them. They dont grow on trees. What Rendell basically did was put the crows in a position not to compete for talls in the same drafts. Considering both Port Adelaide, Brisbane, Richmond will be fighting for talls I think it was a damm good strategy.

Nothing was ever said about ladder positions, the coaching or development, it was purely on the basis of an outstanding strike rate for Tall timber.

Also I think in regards to your statements on Talia, he has shown enough in the SANFL to suggest AFL wont be an issue for him. Sure he has yet to prove himself but to me its not like we plucked him from the SANFL reserves.