Let's not forget we traded a pre-second round pick for Tambling. Personally I'd rather keep the three you mentioned and have used the pick we seem to have wasted on a middle of the road half back flanker to get that extra mid.
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Let's not forget we traded a pre-second round pick for Tambling. Personally I'd rather keep the three you mentioned and have used the pick we seem to have wasted on a middle of the road half back flanker to get that extra mid.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and we haven't eaten it yet, so I take your point. It is early to state Rendell is a genius - but equally our current form is not proof of the opposite statement.
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Rendell has been absolutely brilliant.
Picking up unknowns (or relatively unknowns) and they've turned into gems.
Picking up unknowns (or relatively unknowns) and they've turned into gems.
First and foremost I am an avid Crows follower, I too am hoping like hell Rendell’s strategy succeeds. I’m not against anyone poster here I just don't agree.
I have understood this particular strategy from day one however I was never as enamoured in this whole tall’s policy as some. It was like putting all your eggs in one basket with a few consolation picks thrown in.
Looking at our list we knew McLeod, Edwards, Burton, Goodwin were at the end of their reign.
This was obvious and many of us called for them to be delisted in dribs and drabs not in one period.
They all needed to be replaced sooner than later but we went the other way and drafted mostly tall and then the inevitable happened.
I wrote on April 22 2009, in the post Re: Developing an elite team,
"The next few years are going to be tough in terms of drafting but somehow the Crows are going to need to improve their speed and hardness around the stoppages.
Quality midfielders in my book are our main priority upgrade to take us to the next level without them its rare to win the big one."
This was a difference of opinion I shared with the drafting staff.
Sure we now have a list of ‘tall’s’ but the balance of the team has suffered because of it.
Why have we used the rookie draft so actively?
The types of players we have elevated have been used to fill positions that have been neglected somewhat in the previous drafts.
I also get stuck on the reasoning as to why is it going to be so much easier to draft good quality midfielders in a compromised draft compared to quality tall’s. There are 16 teams all looking for quality and not all ‘tall’s’.
Yes, yes Gold Coast and GWS need tall’s and lots of them but won't everyone be picking the eyes out of the gun midfielders.
What if a tall that Rendell rates highly does slip to us, is he now out of the equation?
Most of all we have to buy into this theory.
So for the last few years we have been amassing a talented 'battery' of tall’s while our team performances have slipped.
We've had to sit through awful games of football because our midfield is being shown up time and time again.
Be patient, for in the next few drafts we are now in the era of drafting the midfield battery.
Of course that is what we are going to draft because we now have no choice!
It is the corner we have painted ourselves into.
If you draft a majority of one type of player because in your opinion the draft will be compromised of ‘tall’s’ in later drafts then this is the stark reality.
I personally would rather have had a more balanced approach with our drafting with more emphasis placed on the type of player we drafted and the holes in the team that needed filling.
Bigman said it "LC40 it will take another 4 years to make any real effective assessment on his picks."
I agree wholeheartedly and therefore am reserving my right to use the term genius for now......Uncompromised draft strategy included.
Oh....This whole premise assumes all our quality tall’s are......quality!
I have understood this particular strategy from day one however I was never as enamoured in this whole tall’s policy as some. It was like putting all your eggs in one basket with a few consolation picks thrown in.
Looking at our list we knew McLeod, Edwards, Burton, Goodwin were at the end of their reign.
This was obvious and many of us called for them to be delisted in dribs and drabs not in one period.
They all needed to be replaced sooner than later but we went the other way and drafted mostly tall and then the inevitable happened.
I wrote on April 22 2009, in the post Re: Developing an elite team,
"The next few years are going to be tough in terms of drafting but somehow the Crows are going to need to improve their speed and hardness around the stoppages.
Quality midfielders in my book are our main priority upgrade to take us to the next level without them its rare to win the big one."
This was a difference of opinion I shared with the drafting staff.
Sure we now have a list of ‘tall’s’ but the balance of the team has suffered because of it.
Why have we used the rookie draft so actively?
The types of players we have elevated have been used to fill positions that have been neglected somewhat in the previous drafts.
I also get stuck on the reasoning as to why is it going to be so much easier to draft good quality midfielders in a compromised draft compared to quality tall’s. There are 16 teams all looking for quality and not all ‘tall’s’.
Yes, yes Gold Coast and GWS need tall’s and lots of them but won't everyone be picking the eyes out of the gun midfielders.
What if a tall that Rendell rates highly does slip to us, is he now out of the equation?
Most of all we have to buy into this theory.
So for the last few years we have been amassing a talented 'battery' of tall’s while our team performances have slipped.
We've had to sit through awful games of football because our midfield is being shown up time and time again.
Be patient, for in the next few drafts we are now in the era of drafting the midfield battery.
Of course that is what we are going to draft because we now have no choice!
It is the corner we have painted ourselves into.
If you draft a majority of one type of player because in your opinion the draft will be compromised of ‘tall’s’ in later drafts then this is the stark reality.
I personally would rather have had a more balanced approach with our drafting with more emphasis placed on the type of player we drafted and the holes in the team that needed filling.
Bigman said it "LC40 it will take another 4 years to make any real effective assessment on his picks."
I agree wholeheartedly and therefore am reserving my right to use the term genius for now......Uncompromised draft strategy included.
Oh....This whole premise assumes all our quality tall’s are......quality!
Your fundamental premise is dubious. There was no talls' strategy. Just best available with 50-50s decisions going a certain way on occasion. Rendell's 2007 draft was almost exclusively smalls. 2008 was tall because that was what was available. 2009 was meant to be small, but ended up being tall on the basis of best available. 2010 was again small.
Having said that, it is better long term in a rebuild to draft talls first because they take a while to develop. Also, they are far more hit-and-miss, so if have too many misses, you can supplement this early failues with later supplementary picks.
Talls are fundamental to success. I think we were probably one gun tall short of a premiership in 05-06 (in addition to a few other issues including our jinx against WCE). I also look at a side like the Dogs and think that their lack of tall timber has really undermined their chances.
I do agree however, that we need to go hard for elite mids in the next couple drafts, at least. But I'm not too concerned at this stage. Alongside Smith, Sloane, Danger and co, we should be in a good spot soon. In fact, I believe we should be in a far better spot right now, but that's for another thread.
Is Rendell also responsible for overviewing potential trade targets or purely underage draftees?
I'm curious because it is clearly evident we need some decent mids - but how on earth are we going to achieve that this or next year without a worthwhile pick?
I'm curious because it is clearly evident we need some decent mids - but how on earth are we going to achieve that this or next year without a worthwhile pick?
interesting - Agreed Brodie Smith was a great pick up at 14 you'll get no arguements from me.
the reason I ask, is that given his talent for picking up players - assuming he is better than some (and worse than others) I would be interesed if we can't pull a swifty on a club that hasn't rated a player as highly as Rendell has - I'm talking about a player knocking on the door of selection either.
I gather the club would have thought of that already, just curious if Rendell is actively invovled since he is our primary talent scout.
the reason I ask, is that given his talent for picking up players - assuming he is better than some (and worse than others) I would be interesed if we can't pull a swifty on a club that hasn't rated a player as highly as Rendell has - I'm talking about a player knocking on the door of selection either.
I gather the club would have thought of that already, just curious if Rendell is actively invovled since he is our primary talent scout.
I believe that our opposition scouts would be the first point of contact for trade targets, but ultimately it would be Rendell's responsibility. His interest in Jacobs for example goes back to Jacobs' draft year, for example.
Yes, good call. Offered him a senior spot and a substantially bigger pay packet, but couldn't land it.
Wouldn't be surprised to see us chase a few more we were keen on.
The issue we face, is the vast majority of players we were keen on pre draft were not SA lads. This means we have to convince them to move to a state which isn't there hometown. We hold no leverage. We can always target SA lads we were keen on, but they're few and far between.
The issue we face, is the vast majority of players we were keen on pre draft were not SA lads. This means we have to convince them to move to a state which isn't there hometown. We hold no leverage. We can always target SA lads we were keen on, but they're few and far between.
well hopefully erm , Adealide Oval and the river bank precinct change that but the 3am lockout propsed by the Council isn'tgoing to help. 
They shouldn't be out at 3am anyway
on a bye weekend......helping the homeless of course
look at the we've solved Adelaides recruiting issue right there.
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It is David Noble's responsibility to look for mature age trades now. The draft team focus on youngsters and the new List Manager for trades. I think the fact he was appointed at all in this position shows the AFC management have panicked a little and realised the quickest way to get ready-to-play midfielders without waiting 4 -5 years in the draft is via trading mature players. Hard to see them picking up any guns this way but it is a start. At least they have reacted in some way but it would have been far preferable to put the clamps on Rendell's tweener-mania at the time rather than let him run amock. So expect to see a few more trades this year (and I bet they will be middies only).
Given how keen Rendell was on Davis, this must really really hurt the big fella.
Does make the Talia choice look far better though!
No recruiter gets it right all the time but he's done reasonably well imo.
Does make the Talia choice look far better though!
No recruiter gets it right all the time but he's done reasonably well imo.
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