McCarthy goes home

[Cumo]

Ok name a trade that would have worked?

Lachie Neale and 2016 1st round. Everyone would have won apart from Neale haha. Remembering you have to pay a premium for forward and neale would replace treloar

 

[Underdog]

People realise you can walk and chew at the same time, right? The fact his management may be looking at getting his contract annulled doesn't mean they aren't also seeking help to resolve Cam's alleged issues

 

[Underdog]

Lachie Neale and 2016 1st round. Everyone would have won apart from Neale haha. Remembering you have to pay a premium for forward and neale would replace treloar

That is way overs. No way Freo would make that deal.

 

[Cumo]

That is way overs. No way Freo would make that deal.

It needed to be way overs, that is the whole point. Otherwise don't turn the head of a player with 2 years left to play on their contract.

 

[Kram]

Lachie Neale and 2016 1st round. Everyone would have won apart from Neale haha. Remembering you have to pay a premium for forward and neale would replace treloar

lol, he's not Jesse Hogan.

 

[Demons09]

Well, WA players have a history of being softies and many is the returning player who crashes and burns.

I'd argue he is placing MORE pressure on himself returning home.

However, the broader issue of contract enforcement is also relevant. If he plays next year for another club, they should have to trade for him, solely due to the presence of a playing contract signed and sealed.

Geez another one calling players soft I'd hate to bump into you when you get up from behind your keyboard, don't worry your not alone on here.

 

[HairyO]

Freo had an elite talent in Bennell to also acquire. It was going to be a cheaper and easier process to do so. When GWS refused to negotiate, it makes sense for them to move on.

Bennell wasnt wanted by his club. They would have entertained far more different potential trades.

GWS it had to be a big offer.

 

[Underdog]

It needed to be way overs, that is the whole point. Otherwise don't turn the head of a player with 2 years left to play on their contract.

"Don't turn the head" - are you serious? Grow up.

I just don't understand why people are critical of Freo for not paying massive overs, whilst they also have an elite talent to acquire in Bennell.

Had they made that trade (if accepted by GWS which is far from certain), people would laugh at them for paying that price..."typical Freo" they would say.

 

[Defacto]

This story in the Daily Telegraph is potentially explosive. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...t/news-story/69c6fb58c2bc6933b192659e78852fc6

'FREMANTLE could potentially pick up trade target Cam McCarthy as a delisted free agent for nothing ahead of the 2017 season. McCarthy’s uncertain future is likely to become clearer by the end of this week after a series of meetings between the AFL, AFL Players Association, Greater Western Sydney and McCarthy’s management.

McCarthy’s management is expected to push for the youngster to be delisted by the Giants and his contract — which has two more seasons to run — severed. The AFL would then need to determine by what means McCarthy could re-enter the competition in 2017, with the prospect he would be considered a delisted free agent.'

If true & occurs, then the AFLPA would have really won the war over the AFL, and contracts would be effectively meaningless. Don't like where you are or just get a better offer, walk out and get your contract annulled.

And, if McCarthy's management is pushing on with arranging his AFL future when Cam is supposedly 'assessing his AFL future', you'd be hard pressed not to believe this whole walkout has been orchestrated as part of a campaign to get him where he wants. Even the Freo posters have said the focus should be on McCarthy getting help for his alleged issues, and worry about his contract later. So if his management are focussed purely on getting his contracted annulled, that's a pretty strong message about where they're at.

I never entirely trust news reports, so need to wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks.

great post and 100% agree. will set a massive precedent. even mitch clarke who was in a very serious state, had to be traded and was not a DFA

 

[Underdog]

Bennell wasnt wanted by his club. They would have entertained far more different potential trades.

GWS it had to be a big offer.

That's why he was significantly cheaper than McCarthy but it still came at a reasonable cost and he is insanely talented with significant exposed form to support that view.

 

[Sausages]

Geez another one calling players soft I'd hate to bump into you when you get up from behind your keyboard, don't worry your not alone on here.

Lelz. Unlike the player I've called soft, I've honoured contracts and maintained a personal and professional integrity when faced with mental health issues.

Thus, I am entitled to pass judgement and have done so. Enjoy your moral high ground, I can see it far below the place I live in, called Ethical Consistency.

 

[HFF]

"A gaping hole in our key posts". A club that has Cameron, Patton, Tomlinson, Stewart, Himmelberg as key forwards shows you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to our list. A gaping hole is what happens if Cloke gets injured.

Just how many times have the others other than Cameron kicked more than 35 goals in a season?

Stewart is not a KPP in the same mould despite his height.
Tomlinson is an ok player. Yet to see if he is actually in the same class as McCarthy.
Himmelberg...you mean the first year player you picked up this year?
Patton...coming off consecutive serious injuries.
Cameron...star

You may have "options" but none of them have the output on the board that a McCarthy has so yes, it is a gaping hole for the time being.

 

[Defacto]

Lachie Neale and 2016 1st round. Everyone would have won apart from Neale haha. Remembering you have to pay a premium for forward and neale would replace treloar

lachie neale is a separate issue... will be interesting to see how that one plays out

 

[Demons09]

Lelz. Unlike the player I've called soft, I've honoured contracts and maintained a personal and professional integrity when faced with mental health issues.

Thus, I am entitled to pass judgement and have done so. Enjoy your moral high ground, I can see it far below the place I live in, called Ethical Consistency.

Yep you are one badass.

 

[Messenger]

lol, he's not Jesse Hogan.

Melbourne wouldn't trade Jesse Hogan for that offer.

 

[Yeti]

lachie neale is a separate issue... will be interesting to see how that one plays out

Will probably end up like the Weller situation.

 

[Defacto]

Will probably end up like the Weller situation.

i agree. i think there was more risk around weller than neale. cant see neale leaving but theres been a few whispers that he's testing the waters and has a lot of interest from the crows

 

[Yeti]

i agree. i think there was more risk around weller than neale. cant see neale leaving but theres been a few whispers that he's testing the waters and has a lot of interest from the crows

yep. Whispers.

You making stuff up on a forum from "unnamed sources" are about all the whispers flogs like Barrett hear.

Your knowledge on potential Fremantle player movements is about as reliable as Colin Young. Looking forward to seeing you spout this crap about Neale over the next few months just like you did with Weller.

 

[Defacto]

yep. Whispers.

You making stuff up on a forum from "unnamed sources" are about all the whispers flogs like Barrett hear.

Your knowledge on potential Fremantle player movements is about as reliable as Colin Young. Looking forward to seeing you spout this crap about Neale over the next few months just like you did with Weller.

whats wrong you sound upset

 

[Clems Knee]

i agree. i think there was more risk around weller than neale. cant see neale leaving but theres been a few whispers that he's testing the waters and has a lot of interest from the crows

DeFacto: making shit up since 2008.
You are just as unreliable as Tim Gossage.

 

[Giant Strides]

You may have "options" but none of them have the output on the board that a McCarthy has so yes, it is a gaping hole for the time being.

Your original post stated that GWS should have let McCarthy depart ... so how was that preventing the 'gaping hole' that you're arguing is a big issue for GWS? And the Freo compensation that they were offering would not have netted any key forward more than GWS already had lined up.

So your argument is illogical with respect to GWS management's fight to keep McCarthy as being 'bad business'. It was a risk-reward play. Just because it's not the way you would have done it does not equate to bad - except in hindsight. Always an easier call in hindsight. And even then, it depends on what happens now with McCarthy.

 

[Super Hans]

Absolutely. Despite the crap we give some doggies fans Boyd will be a gun. Just take time.

But we were absolute in saying Boyd was going no where. The dogs wanted him so got the deal done anyway.

If we didn't get the Boyd deal done almost every Vic club would of gone for him just as hard 12 months on, we couldn't afford to miss out on him. Freo only have West Coast to battle with, and they don't really need a forward. That alone is a major difference.

 

[imperial_oz]

Are you out of your mind? It doesn't matter how long the contract is ....he SIGNED a contract! It's not the Marx brothers, the party of the first part signed a bloody contract. Slavery? Health issues? Duty of care? What about duty of compliance to a signed document?

The 20-year-old is understood to have informed the Giants on Wednesday he was homesick and wanted time with family. Okay, fair enough.
"Despite initially making strong progress after returning from the Christmas break it has been apparent that Cam cannot currently meet the demands of being an AFL footballer."

Sure go home, just don't waste the time of clubs and people who put hundreds of thousands of dollars investing in these players from all parts of the country.
GWS are not blameless here either, someone should've clicked that something was up a lot earlier.

This report from 1 week away from trade week 2015: FORWARD Cam McCarthy will remain at GWS next season, but according to his manager Colin Young he will not finish his career at the club. Amazing statement with two years to go on a contract!

McCarthy, a Western Australian native, signed a three-year contract extension with the Giants last year but angled for a move to Fremantle during the trade period. Why would GWS even contemplate this with their guy signed on for two more years? They have made plans around him.

The point is you simply cannot go signing stuff and then change your mind a year later. Personal reasons? Don't go into the draft at all if you just wanna have a kick with your mates on a Saturday afternoon. Admittedly GWS did not do their due diligence in the first place, but he must've been receptive at the beginning?
I have no empathy for players who pull this stunt and screw the team that drafted them within a year or two of beginning their career.

You need to take your Dockers cap off before you type. You will get your man eventually and he will be as happy as Larry....

You might want to take your "I don't like Dockers' cap off and read what I've been saying.

I have put his health first and considered the rest to be trivial. The fact that the club has announced that he's lost 9 kg in 8 week is a sign of serious concern. Thats the issue.

If he comes back to football, he should go back to GWS unless there are significant medical issues involved. As for playing for Freo, my view is he shouldn't be playing right now. If he recovers the GWS will retain him, they've said that. Either way, he's not any kind of replacement for Pav as he's not a power forward. Somebody like Hogan would fit the bill not McCarthy

 

[Forward Press]

If we didn't get the Boyd deal done almost every Vic club would of gone for him just as hard 12 months on, we couldn't afford to miss out on him. Freo only have West Coast to battle with, and they don't really need a forward. That alone is a major difference.

Kennedy turns 30 during the 2017 season. If McCarthy is still at GWS and our young prospects don't look anything special we would have a go at him.

I still think a deal will get done at the end of the 2016 season, though, and it will be done quickly and quietly.

 

[Defacto]

I have put his health first and considered the rest to be trivial. The fact that the club has announced that he's lost 9 kg in 8 week is a sign of serious concern. Thats the issue.

what club announced that?