McCarthy goes home

[leeloo]

He can't be allowed to play at Fremantle this year. Sets a horrible precedent for the league. Seriously some people need to htfu though. Many people move from Perth to Sydney as there are better job opportunities. You want to play AFL thats what you may have to do.

PS dont sign a contract you dont want to fulfill

This thread has reached a new level of idiocy. How the heck did you come up with the notion that he will play at Fremantle this year??

 

[eastfreo75]

I very specifically and deliberately said they weren't exactly alike (because of idiots like yourself who can't read). But we did have a player who wanted to go home and neither club held each other's feet to the fire at the possible cost of a player's personal welfare. West Coast could have easily said "We're not giving up a player." or Sydney could have said "We want more than just Sinclair" which would have resulted in a player possibly ending up somewhere he didn't want to go.

Ok name a trade that would have worked?

 

[joop]

I really hope he ends up at west coast for the lolz

 

[leeloo]

I really hope he ends up at west coast for the lolz

Actually it would be funny.

But there is a huge presumption that he will ever play again.

 

[eastfreo75]

Take a look up.
See that? That's the point.
And it just went straight over your head.

*************YOU HAD TO GET US TO THE TABLE. YOU SAY THAT WE REFUSED TO NEGOTIATE. YOU NEEDED TO OFFER US A MIND-BLOWING DEAL. YOU DIDN'T, OR COULDN'T. BUT IT'S NOT ON US TO TAKE UNDERS BECAUSE PLAYERS FROM FREO DIDN'T WANT TO BE A PART OF A TRADE, JUST BECAUSE. THE DEAL ALWAYS HAD TO BE OVERS.********

That's true. Both clubs did nothing wrong. Draft picks doesn't have much value for GWS only top line players do. Fremantle didn't want to offer a top line.

 

[kneecapper]

Ok name a trade that would have worked?

Dude, that's not my job and I'm not familiar enough with Freo's list. But to suggest that it was completely impossible for Freo to put together an alternative package of non-core best 22 player/s and/or picks (I know Freo supporters are unfamiliar with this concept given how woeful their recruitment staff are at making a deal) to address a massive key position hole is BEYOND LUDICROUS.

 

[eastfreo75]

Dude, that's not my job and I'm not familiar enough with Freo's list. But to suggest that it was completely impossible for Freo to put together an alternative package of non-core best 22 player/s and/or picks (I know Freo supporters are unfamiliar with this concept given how woeful their recruitment staff are at making a deal) to address a massive key position hole is BEYOND LUDICROUS.

Easy to be a keyboard warrior and you are right, that you have no idea about Fremantle's list.

 

[eastfreo75]

Dude, that's not my job and I'm not familiar enough with Freo's list. But to suggest that it was completely impossible for Freo to put together an alternative package of non-core best 22 player/s and/or picks (I know Freo supporters are unfamiliar with this concept given how woeful their recruitment staff are at making a deal) to address a massive key position hole is BEYOND LUDICROUS.

GWS don't want non core players, they want top line players. Seems to me that you have no idea about where GWS and Fremantle are at.

 

[LittleG]

GWS fans still talk about Cam as a commodity. It's sad. He is a person and should be treated as such.
Didn't mind a guy walking out on a contract to go to GWS but can't stand a player wanting to walk out on a GWS contract.

 

[Giant Strides]

This story in the Daily Telegraph is potentially explosive. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...t/news-story/69c6fb58c2bc6933b192659e78852fc6

'FREMANTLE could potentially pick up trade target Cam McCarthy as a delisted free agent for nothing ahead of the 2017 season. McCarthy’s uncertain future is likely to become clearer by the end of this week after a series of meetings between the AFL, AFL Players Association, Greater Western Sydney and McCarthy’s management.

McCarthy’s management is expected to push for the youngster to be delisted by the Giants and his contract — which has two more seasons to run — severed. The AFL would then need to determine by what means McCarthy could re-enter the competition in 2017, with the prospect he would be considered a delisted free agent.'

If true & occurs, then the AFLPA would have really won the war over the AFL, and contracts would be effectively meaningless. Don't like where you are or just get a better offer, walk out and get your contract annulled.

And, if McCarthy's management is pushing on with arranging his AFL future when Cam is supposedly 'assessing his AFL future', you'd be hard pressed not to believe this whole walkout has been orchestrated as part of a campaign to get him where he wants. Even the Freo posters have said the focus should be on McCarthy getting help for his alleged issues, and worry about his contract later. So if his management are focussed purely on getting his contracted annulled, that's a pretty strong message about where they're at.

I never entirely trust news reports, so need to wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks.

 

[free at last]

Are you out of your mind? It doesn't matter how long the contract is ....he SIGNED a contract! It's not the Marx brothers, the party of the first part signed a bloody contract. Slavery? Health issues? Duty of care? What about duty of compliance to a signed document?

The 20-year-old is understood to have informed the Giants on Wednesday he was homesick and wanted time with family. Okay, fair enough.
"Despite initially making strong progress after returning from the Christmas break it has been apparent that Cam cannot currently meet the demands of being an AFL footballer."

Sure go home, just don't waste the time of clubs and people who put hundreds of thousands of dollars investing in these players from all parts of the country.
GWS are not blameless here either, someone should've clicked that something was up a lot earlier.

This report from 1 week away from trade week 2015: FORWARD Cam McCarthy will remain at GWS next season, but according to his manager Colin Young he will not finish his career at the club. Amazing statement with two years to go on a contract!

McCarthy, a Western Australian native, signed a three-year contract extension with the Giants last year but angled for a move to Fremantle during the trade period. Why would GWS even contemplate this with their guy signed on for two more years? They have made plans around him.

The point is you simply cannot go signing stuff and then change your mind a year later. Personal reasons? Don't go into the draft at all if you just wanna have a kick with your mates on a Saturday afternoon. Admittedly GWS did not do their due diligence in the first place, but he must've been receptive at the beginning?
I have no empathy for players who pull this stunt and screw the team that drafted them within a year or two of beginning their career.

You need to take your Dockers cap off before you type. You will get your man eventually and he will be as happy as Larry....

So Cam is pulling a stunt now?
Do you know Cam personally do you?

 

[eastfreo75]

This story in the Daily Telegraph is potentially explosive. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...t/news-story/69c6fb58c2bc6933b192659e78852fc6

'FREMANTLE could potentially pick up trade target Cam McCarthy as a delisted free agent for nothing ahead of the 2017 season. McCarthy’s uncertain future is likely to become clearer by the end of this week after a series of meetings between the AFL, AFL Players Association, Greater Western Sydney and McCarthy’s management.

McCarthy’s management is expected to push for the youngster to be delisted by the Giants and his contract — which has two more seasons to run — severed. The AFL would then need to determine by what means McCarthy could re-enter the competition in 2017, with the prospect he would be considered a delisted free agent.'

If true & occurs, then the AFLPA would have really won the war over the AFL, and contracts would be effectively meaningless. Don't like where you are or just get a better offer, walk out and get your contract annulled.

And, if McCarthy's management is pushing on with arranging his AFL future when Cam is supposedly 'assessing his AFL future', you'd be hard pressed not to believe this whole walkout has been orchestrated as part of a campaign to get him where he wants. Even the Freo posters have said the focus should be on McCarthy getting help for his alleged issues, and worry about his contract later. So if his management are focussed purely on getting his contracted annulled, that's a pretty strong message about where they're at.

I never entirely trust news reports, so need to wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks.

Don't you hate player managers. Let the kid sort himself out and play for GWS this year and wait until trade period.

 

[Giant Strides]

GWS fans still talk about Cam as a commodity. It's sad. He is a person and should be treated as such.
Didn't mind a guy walking out on a contract to go to GWS but can't stand a player wanting to walk out on a GWS contract.

What's sad is Bulldogs fans still carrying on about Griffen after more than a year. You're supposedly happy with getting Boyd, and your former captain had lost faith in a club he had served long and proudly.

Here's how your club talked about a guy who sweated blood for them for many years: 'The Western Bulldogs say they have no interest in facilitating their skipper Ryan Griffen's desire to move to the GWS, with president Peter Gordon adamant the club would not "indulge" him.'
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dogs-wont-indulge-griffen-shift-20141009-113m5h.html#ixzz3ym7hGSSe

So much for treating him as a person.

You're in a glass house and you guys need to move on.

 

[Giant Strides]

Don't you hate player managers. Let the kid sort himself out and play for GWS this year and wait until trade period.

Player managers are obviously a necessary part of the commercial sporting world landscape. But when you see this case and others like Mitch Clark's, yeah, you realise that some don't necessarily do the right thing or actually look after their client's best interests, just their own $ interests.

 

[HairyO]

Disagree regarding Carlton? It's not just the value of the picks they traded, but clogging your list with 5 or so likely never will be's has a huge opportunity cost.

Teams have 8 to 10 players who will never play more than a handful of games. They have a couple of Rookies who will never play a game.

All Carlton did was fill up spots in a single trade. At minimum payments all of them cost less than just Daisy.

So as I said, if even one turns good they win.

 

[Sausages]

Well, WA players have a history of being softies and many is the returning player who crashes and burns.

I'd argue he is placing MORE pressure on himself returning home.

However, the broader issue of contract enforcement is also relevant. If he plays next year for another club, they should have to trade for him, solely due to the presence of a playing contract signed and sealed.

 

[Cumo]

It's not baffling at all. A "decent" player is not what GWS wanted. For all the people pontificating about how Freo stuffed up and could have easily got it done, I'm still yet to see anyone propose an actual (and reasonable) trade which we should have done. It's a cop out to just say "something better" and not say what that actually is. Based on the stance GWS took (which they were entitled to do, even if I don't agree with it), it was basically impossible for us to get the trade done with anything other than an offer which was ridiculous and completely unreasonable for Freo.

That is the whole point! Freo basically didn't have what was needed to make gws trade, especially when he is has 2 years left on a contract. Freo made an offer to him (which is against all the rules btw) which had his head turned. Surely they should have worked out what would be needed to facilitate a trade prior to approaching cam. They were trying to pull a swift one plain and simple.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Nothing Personal to you. I just find the hypocrisy in your post funny considering the Andrew McCleod for chris Groom trade.

I don't understand the relevance of this. The two situations are totally different.

 

[MickyG]

That's true. Both clubs did nothing wrong. Draft picks doesn't have much value for GWS only top line players do. Fremantle didn't want to offer a top line.

Actually draft picks are important for GWS to use in bidding for their Academy players. In last year's draft that was picks 7, 13, 16 and 41. GWS's Academy zone is close to being as good as the other three put together (for now). This makes it important for them to trade but once they have enough points for that year you have to have a player that would make their best 22 if you want one of their best 22. They are also pissed off with no one wanting to trade with them since inception and then having Boyd walk out on them last year. Freo needed to get in early with a strong offer. Once Carlton did their deal with GWS and GWS had enough picks/points for their 4 Academy kids it needed to be a very good player for them to budge.

 

[TiAn_]

This situation is being handled just brilliantly. Pat on the back everyone involved.

 

[Clems Knee]

This story in the Daily Telegraph is potentially explosive. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...t/news-story/69c6fb58c2bc6933b192659e78852fc6

'FREMANTLE could potentially pick up trade target Cam McCarthy as a delisted free agent for nothing ahead of the 2017 season. McCarthy’s uncertain future is likely to become clearer by the end of this week after a series of meetings between the AFL, AFL Players Association, Greater Western Sydney and McCarthy’s management.

McCarthy’s management is expected to push for the youngster to be delisted by the Giants and his contract — which has two more seasons to run — severed. The AFL would then need to determine by what means McCarthy could re-enter the competition in 2017, with the prospect he would be considered a delisted free agent.'

If true & occurs, then the AFLPA would have really won the war over the AFL, and contracts would be effectively meaningless. Don't like where you are or just get a better offer, walk out and get your contract annulled.

And, if McCarthy's management is pushing on with arranging his AFL future when Cam is supposedly 'assessing his AFL future', you'd be hard pressed not to believe this whole walkout has been orchestrated as part of a campaign to get him where he wants. Even the Freo posters have said the focus should be on McCarthy getting help for his alleged issues, and worry about his contract later. So if his management are focussed purely on getting his contracted annulled, that's a pretty strong message about where they're at.

I never entirely trust news reports, so need to wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks.

Thanks for the link. It also shows footage of the Giants' general manager defending their decision to keep McCarthy as a required player.

The only actual quotes are from the WAFL general manager, who said he has been in touch with the AFL regarding him playing in the local competition.

So yes, it seems talks have been and are continuing, but the idea of Freo getting McCarthy for free in 2017 doesn't make sense to me. Even if Cam is released from the club, why wouldn't GWS keep him on the list and trade for him at the end of the year?

And I agree that if his management are focussed purely on getting his contract annulled, that is a pretty strong message. What the message is, I'm not sure.

 

[eastfreo75]

That is the whole point! Freo basically didn't have what was needed to make gws trade, especially when he is has 2 years left on a contract. Freo made an offer to him (which is against all the rules btw) which had his head turned. Surely they should have worked out what would be needed to facilitate a trade prior to approaching cam. They were trying to pull a swift one plain and simple.

wE

Actually draft picks are important for GWS to use in bidding for their Academy players. In last year's draft that was picks 7, 13, 16 and 41. GWS's Academy zone is close to being as good as the other three put together (for now). This makes it important for them to trade but once they have enough points for that year you have to have a player that would make their best 22 if you want one of their best 22. They are also pissed off with no one wanting to trade with them since inception and then having Boyd walk out on them last year. Freo needed to get in early with a strong offer. Once Carlton did their deal with GWS and GWS had enough picks/points for their 4 Academy kids it needed to be a very good player for them to budge.

The offer of two first round picks via the media was rejected by GWS early because they Treloar was going and GWS knew that they would have enough points for the Academy players they wanted.

Freo's pick of 16 would have just brought in another interstate recruit.

GWS list plan is to enough points for their academy, keeping players and getting in top line players.

 

[Clems Knee]

Well, WA players have a history of being softies and many is the returning player who crashes and burns.

I'd argue he is placing MORE pressure on himself returning home.

However, the broader issue of contract enforcement is also relevant. If he plays next year for another club, they should have to trade for him, solely due to the presence of a playing contract signed and sealed.

Yep. Simon Black was a real softy for Brisbane. Stupid comment, Snaggers.

We don't know how much pressure he is under at GWS. It can't be easy having Toby Greene on your case.

I agree with the broader issue, however. It will be interesting what comes out at the end of this week's meetings, if the daily Telegraph report has got that right.

 

[Vintage]

This story in the Daily Telegraph is potentially explosive. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...t/news-story/69c6fb58c2bc6933b192659e78852fc6

'FREMANTLE could potentially pick up trade target Cam McCarthy as a delisted free agent for nothing ahead of the 2017 season. McCarthy’s uncertain future is likely to become clearer by the end of this week after a series of meetings between the AFL, AFL Players Association, Greater Western Sydney and McCarthy’s management.

McCarthy’s management is expected to push for the youngster to be delisted by the Giants and his contract — which has two more seasons to run — severed. The AFL would then need to determine by what means McCarthy could re-enter the competition in 2017, with the prospect he would be considered a delisted free agent.'

If true & occurs, then the AFLPA would have really won the war over the AFL, and contracts would be effectively meaningless. Don't like where you are or just get a better offer, walk out and get your contract annulled.

And, if McCarthy's management is pushing on with arranging his AFL future when Cam is supposedly 'assessing his AFL future', you'd be hard pressed not to believe this whole walkout has been orchestrated as part of a campaign to get him where he wants. Even the Freo posters have said the focus should be on McCarthy getting help for his alleged issues, and worry about his contract later. So if his management are focussed purely on getting his contracted annulled, that's a pretty strong message about where they're at.

I never entirely trust news reports, so need to wait and see what transpires over the next few weeks.

Thanks for the link. A lot of conjecture of course, but it may make sense for all parties for this to happen. GWS have his salary (or part of) off their books, they don't have the distraction hanging over them all year - as well as the scrutiny and costs of helping him get better. McCarthy can address whatever is going on in relative anonymity and this may help. At the end of the day GWS are able to maintain their strong line in the sand - this was an exceptional case, not too many are going to sit out a whole year and have all this external speculation about them just to change clubs etc...

If he does get back to footy it won't be on big $$, at least not his first contract. There will be quite a lot of risk attached to him now as a player. Anyone who thinks this will all turn out perfectly for him really doesn't understand how footy clubs (businesses) work. His financial interests would have been far better served playing for GWS in 2016 and trying for trade again at end of year when GWS have less leverage as the following year he'll be out of contract.

 

[Underdog]

That's why Aish, Treloar, Anderson, etc. all stayed put.

Maybe next Freo can reconsider their offer rather than stamping their feet in protest and spending their big picks on a guy with serious attitude issues.

Freo had an elite talent in Bennell to also acquire. It was going to be a cheaper and easier process to do so. When GWS refused to negotiate, it makes sense for them to move on.