McCarthy goes home

[Super Hans]

What's sad is Bulldogs fans still carrying on about Griffen after more than a year. You're supposedly happy with getting Boyd, and your former captain had lost faith in a club he had served long and proudly.

Here's how your club talked about a guy who sweated blood for them for many years: 'The Western Bulldogs say they have no interest in facilitating their skipper Ryan Griffen's desire to move to the GWS, with president Peter Gordon adamant the club would not "indulge" him.'
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dogs-wont-indulge-griffen-shift-20141009-113m5h.html#ixzz3ym7hGSSe

So much for treating him as a person.

You're in a glass house and you guys need to move on.

Can you not see the hypocrisy in your post? We traded the bloke who was unhappy and wanted to give the game away. You didn't. But you're having a go at us..?

 

[Super Hans]

Lachie Neale and 2016 1st round. Everyone would have won apart from Neale haha. Remembering you have to pay a premium for forward and neale would replace treloar

Neale is a star, Freo would of been stupid to do that trade.

 

[Super Hans]

Kennedy turns 30 during the 2017 season. If McCarthy is still at GWS and our young prospects don't look anything special we would have a go at him.

I still think a deal will get done at the end of the 2016 season, though, and it will be done quickly and quietly.

Your need for a key forward is nowhere near Freo's, though. Freo would outbid you.

 

[Clems Knee]

You might want to take your "I don't like Dockers' cap off and read what I've been saying.

I have put his health first and considered the rest to be trivial. The fact that the club has announced that he's lost 9 kg in 8 week is a sign of serious concern. Thats the issue.

If he comes back to football, he should go back to GWS unless there are significant medical issues involved. As for playing for Freo, my view is he shouldn't be playing right now. If he recovers the GWS will retain him, they've said that. Either way, he's not any kind of replacement for Pav as he's not a power forward. Somebody like Hogan would fit the bill not McCarthy

The only reference to this I've seen is Adrian Barich saying " it is understood that he's lost 9kg in 8 weeks (plus it's an anxiety issue)" No club announcement or admission. Health first is clearly the correct way to go, and the GWS manager said something like "we are concerned about the person, not the player at this time".
I only write this because I think you are jumping the gun as to what his issue actually is.

 

[Giant Strides]

People realise you can walk and chew at the same time, right? The fact his management may be looking at getting his contract annulled doesn't mean they aren't also seeking help to resolve Cam's alleged issues

So, can you explain why management would up the ante for a contract annulment, rather than stick to their previous plan to seek a trade again, in 2016? You understand there are subtle messages in what is said and done by all parties? People can walk and spit at the same time too.

 

[Testekill]

Can you not see the hypocrisy in your post? We traded the bloke who was unhappy and wanted to give the game away. You didn't. But you're having a go at us..?

Not to mention that Dogs fans aren't pissed off at the fact that he left, we're pissed off at the fact that he was dishonest and instantly made himself unavaliable as soon as he announced that he wanted to leave rendering it impossible to actually shop him around.

 

[LeverPuller]

Melbourne wouldn't trade Jesse Hogan for that offer.

Yup.

If Hogan wants back later - IF - it's going to be the mother of all trade deals.

 

[Clems Knee]

So, can you explain why management would up the ante for a contract annulment, rather than stick to their previous plan to seek a trade again, in 2016? You understand there are subtle messages is what is said and done by all parties? People can walk and spit at the same time too.

I reckon if The Daily Telegraph report was at least half correct, we will get an update making things clearer by the end of the week.

 

[Forward Press]

Your need for a key forward is nowhere near Freo's, though. Freo would outbid you.

And we'd probably ensure that Freo pay a reasonable price, doubt we'd let McCarthy walk to a rival for peanuts if we felt he could fill a need for 2018 and beyond.

 

[Super Hans]

And we'd probably ensure that Freo pay a reasonable price, doubt we'd let McCarthy walk to a rival for peanuts if we felt he could fill a need for 2018 and beyond.

But that's the difference. We couldn't do that with Boyd. Another team would of gotten him.

 

[Defacto]

The only reference to this I've seen is Adrian Barich saying " it is understood that he's lost 9kg in 8 weeks (plus it's an anxiety issue)" No club announcement or admission. Health first is clearly the correct way to go, and the GWS manager said something like "we are concerned about the person, not the player at this time".
I only write this because I think you are jumping the gun as to what his issue actually is.

side note: who is collin youngs best mate?

 

[Forward Press]

Are there any academy prospects for the 2016 draft that GWS are eyeing? If Freo offer draft picks again and no club like Carlton comes to the table with a swag of picks, Freo might be in a position to satisfy GWS' requirements then.

 

[Giant Strides]

If we didn't get the Boyd deal done almost every Vic club would of gone for him just as hard 12 months on, we couldn't afford to miss out on him. Freo only have West Coast to battle with, and they don't really need a forward. That alone is a major difference.

True. But I think that's exactly the point General Giant is alluding to. Bulldogs pulled the trigger with a massive deal because, essentially they had to. Freo did not make a massive deal because they did not have to (they believed they'll get him next year for less) & because they didn't think he was worth a massive deal (which would have required players who they didn't want to lose nor wanted to leave Freo anyway).

Understandable. Two clubs with different views on a player's value. But the comparison to the Griffen/Boyd circumstance is still valid due to the lessons that can be drawn, but need to be understood in differing contexts. It's not the exact same situation.

 

[Clems Knee]

Adrian Barich has mates?

 

[Giant Strides]

Are there any academy prospects for the 2016 draft that GWS are eyeing? If Freo offer draft picks again and no club like Carlton comes to the table with a swag of picks, Freo might be in a position to satisfy GWS' requirements then.

Yes, there is a crop of 4 to 5 that are well regarded. Macreadie, Sproule, Setterfield, Mutch, Byrne plus a few others on the fringe.

My personal view is that GWS had already locked in enough 2015 and even 2016 future picks that the value from a McCarthy trade in 2015 was less than taking a chance on changing Cam's mind. I'm of a view that the GWS position was less to do with contract enforcement and more to do with valuing Sunshine highly and having a belief that they could work through his homesickness issues. Even if he was worth less at the 2016 trade (with only 1 year to run on contract), if he did change his mind and stay, the risk would have been worth it.

GWS already has extra 1st and 2nd round picks in 2016, so probably already well set to pick up their desired academy players. But I'd expect they would be much more pragmatic about Sunshine if his position on being traded to WA stands. I'd expect they'd hope the Eagles came into the trading picture though.

Edit: Wording

 

[Scully2Folau]

Are there any academy prospects for the 2016 draft that GWS are eyeing? If Freo offer draft picks again and no club like Carlton comes to the table with a swag of picks, Freo might be in a position to satisfy GWS' requirements then.

I know we've got at least one first round prospect, but I'm not sure beyond that (edit: see Giant Strides post above). We already have three first round picks this year (GWS, Coll, Geel) and two seconds (GWS, Adel) so we're pretty well stocked. 2017 pick(s) would probably be more appealing.

 

[Suma Magic]

A lot will depend on how Freo goes this year. If they have a down year and Pav, Sandi and Johnson retire they may decide to go to the draft to rebuild, rather than paying top trade dollar for a contracted McCarthy.

 

[Forward Press]

Thanks GS and S2F, gives a bit of context as to why GWS didn't bother proceeding with negotiating for McCarthy.

 

[Forward Press]

A lot will depend on how Freo goes this year. If they have a down year and Pav, Sandi and Johnson retire they may decide to go to the draft to rebuild, rather than paying top trade dollar for a contracted McCarthy.

I thought that would make it even more likely they go after McCarthy. Only turns 21 this year and those three retiring will free up a lot of cap space you'd suspect.

 

[eastfreo75]

DeFacto: making shit up since 2008.
You are just as unreliable as Tim Gossage.

He is Tim Gossage

 

[Suma Magic]

I thought that would make it even more likely they go after McCarthy. Only turns 21 this year and those three retiring will free up a lot of cap space you'd suspect.

But if GWS are asking for pick 10 and 28 (for example) it may be better for the dockers to just go to the draft and try to get him cheaper once he's out of contract in 2018.

 

[imperial_oz]

The only reference to this I've seen is Adrian Barich saying " it is understood that he's lost 9kg in 8 weeks (plus it's an anxiety issue)" No club announcement or admission. Health first is clearly the correct way to go, and the GWS manager said something like "we are concerned about the person, not the player at this time".
I only write this because I think you are jumping the gun as to what his issue actually is.

I thought Channel 7 (Barich) put that out as coming from his club. Might need to look at that again

 

[Giant Strides]

Can you not see the hypocrisy in your post? We traded the bloke who was unhappy and wanted to give the game away. You didn't. But you're having a go at us..?

Where's the hypocrisy? Bulldogs didn't want to trade him. Same as GWS with McCarthy. Bulldogs only traded him when they got a deal they were happy with - Tom Boyd. Yet Bulldogs supporters are still carrying on as if they lost out on the deal. Here, GWS didn't trade him because a suitable deal wasn't found. My post simply pointed out LittleG's hypocrisy in saying GWS fans were treating Cam as a commodity and the Bulldogs management had done the same to Griffen. Plus it's a year later versus a current situation. And don't tell me than every BF board doesn't treat trading as if the players are just commodities.

Edit: And while Griffen was thinking about giving the game away, that was understandable at 28, having some injuries and having achieved much in the game. McCarthy last year wasn't threatening to give the game away - he was only wanting to be traded to the club of his choice.

Not to mention that Dogs fans aren't pissed off at the fact that he left, we're pissed off at the fact that he was dishonest and instantly made himself unavaliable as soon as he announced that he wanted to leave rendering it impossible to actually shop him around.

Yes - the first sentence reveals exactly my view on why Bulldogs supporters are carrying a bad taste in their mouths. Understandable, but that anger is against Griffen the individual. GWS actually allowed you to get compensation for a guy who was likely to leave anyway. I know I'm not going to change your minds or your attitudes because you cannot see the illogic in your position.

Do you think that Bulldogs would have gotten a better deal for him than a power forward who was the #1 draft pick, a player who fills an exact need that your club and many supporters had posted a lot about needing to solve?

 

[Kram]

He is Tim Gossage

Ha Tim Gooseage.

 

[Defacto]

Adrian Barich has mates?

surprising i know... but given how colin young is conducting himself here, they suit each other