Melbourne GONE in 2012.....

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I actually think people piling shit on Melbourne for losing the week of Stynes funeral was worse than the loss itself.

Sure it would of been a 'fairytale', but not all fairytales happen.
 
Their list has never impressed me. Remember back in late 2009 and 2010 the media were pumping them up as the next super team like Geelong? They were widely tipped for finals in 10 and 11.

This expectation from the media has been going on for a long time, and when I read comments about 5 year plans I can't help but think they are the new Richmond.
 
The team looked flat. No run,spread & not confident enough to take the game on. Maybe too much discipline? They have left me flat as well.
 

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ziad said:
I dont see how having a crack at the contest changes with game plans and coaches.

pathetic is pathetic
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The old regime and plan put zero emphasis on contested footy.

Neeld is obviously trying to change it. He hasn't had a proper look at anyone in battle til today. Practice matches are bullshit.

Neeld and everyone else will know more as the year progresses.
 
whelan=legend said:
Where? The only thing he admitted was that winning wasn't the number one priority (developing the team was). Hence all the morons (yourself included?) jumped to conclusions that he admitted to tanking. Never once in any interview did Bailey say he tanked.
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You tanked, everyone knows it, why would you refuse to admit it?

Not like anybody cares about it
 
whelan=legend said:
Melbourne from 1987 - 2006 fielded consistenly pretty good teams. Can't in my life time remember Richmond ever being a threat.

The Demons will be back, everyone assumes that because a club legend dies the players are supposed to just play above their capabilities. Why would an emotionally draining two weeks for the players be good preparation? It is without doubt that we had a significantly less than perfect preparation for this game.
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My point to Biggy who appeared to be comparing losses, I may be wrong, was that we played a top 4 side, potentially. You guys played a side that probably won't make the eight, on a day where you paid tribute to Jim, at The G, and you got smashed. That has to be incredibly disappointing, regardless of the preparation.
 
DarkPhoenix said:
I actually think people piling shit on Melbourne for losing the week of Stynes funeral was worse than the loss itself.

Sure it would of been a 'fairytale', but not all fairytales happen.
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Obviously my post "Melbourne GONE" was deliberately provocative. But surely if there's any circumstance that makes you reach down deep and extract every last 1% of yourself for a game, this would be it?

If the Dees had come out hard and furious running on emotion, and then faded in the second half, that would be one thing. We could accept it if they tried so hard for Jim that they flattened the battery and it overwhelmed them.

But Melbourne barely got out of second gear the whole game. Don't be fooled by the scoreboard, Brisbane were dominating for most of the match and Melbourne were very lucky to be within 4 points at half time.
 
Probably need to give the new coach a bit of a chance. He will now have had a look at them under pressure. Not sure he is going to like what he sees but now he knows where he needs to work.

I would be worried if they continue that sort of effort in the next few weeks though, no matter who the opponent is and whether or not they win/lose.

Who are their gut runners? Where are the second/third efforts?
 
Today was abhorrent. No doubt about that. However, how many first year coaches with their first match with a struggling team? I've learned to be patient as a melbourne player, but a lot needs to change before the team can be respectable.
 
King Elvis said:
You tanked, everyone knows it, why would you refuse to admit it?

Not like anybody cares about it
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I think we were a terrible team that won 12 games in three years. In 2007 we won the last game of the year meaning not only did we not get a priority pick in 2007 but it meant we didn't get a first round priority pick in 2008. In 2008 we were at our lowest ebb and won 3 games against interstate sides at the G (two of them being pretty lucky wins). The game that we apparently tanked in in 2009 we were still in front when the final siren went. Can't have done a great job of it.
 
The biggest indictment of the club was the number 33,473 ... the crowd. On a glorious Melbourne autumn afternoon, for a season-opening game the Demons certainly should have been optimistic about winning, that's how many turned up. What must the Stynes family, and all those close to Jim, make of that???

Taking into account the number of Lions fans at the MCG, that seems diabolical and maybe that, as much as the emotional turmoil of recent weeks, was just one too many slaps in the face for the players (not trying to make excuses for them).

Geez, even GWS dragged 38,000-plus to their debut, even allowing for free tickets, etc.
 

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whelan=legend said:
Where? The only thing he admitted was that winning wasn't the number one priority (developing the team was). Hence all the morons (yourself included?) jumped to conclusions that he admitted to tanking. Never once in any interview did Bailey say he tanked.
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In the interview when he got sacked he said that "I had no hesitation at all in the first two years in ensuring the club was well placed for draft picks."
 
Long-time lurker, first-time poster.

I will probably be lynched by the Melbourne fans, but I have to get this off my chest rather than lurk as normal.

While I hope Melbourne turn it around in the next game (but not too much that they beat us), I have really serious concerns about them in the future. Unfortunately the 3rd quarter effort shows that they are still playing with much of the same problems last year under Bailey. Time after time when the gauntlet is thrown down and the pressure is on, they just cannot cope and fold like cards under the strain.

The main problem in a matchup sense is the midfield: Apart from Trengove it isn't impressive at all. Maloney is a good, solid player but has a really bad habit of going missing when a straight-A gun would stand up, Jones disposal decisions are appalling at times and the fact that first-gamer Magner has to stand up says more about the lack of depth in the midfield more than his good performance.

As far as Watts goes, while I think he will be a good player there are flaws in his games I think that will never be overcome, no matter how much time and development he is given. He is just not hungry enough for the contest, isn't rugged enough and I really don't think he will ever become the powerful, first option forward that Melbourne fans want him to be.

That said, the biggest concern I have is the future of the club (not in a financial sense but a football sense) once the Jim Stynes mystque / factor eventually wears off. Jim was such an integral part of the club and with him gone I really worry who will fill such a giant void in terms of leadership and standing up for the club. Unless Garry Lyon does a 180 (and I don't think he will) this will be a big issue for the club. If the Demons suffer big losses later in the season, the Stynes factor won't be there to help cushion the blow.

Again, I hope the Dees recover but I have serious concerns for them, especially since the Stynes factor is still fresh and they serve up the result they did today. What happens 12 to 24 months down the track and they are still encurring loses like that without the guidance of their great leader? Very worrying.

Thank you for reading.
 
whelan=legend said:
No excuses, today was terrible and we should be a long way ahead of Brisbane. I just don't buy into the theory that losing a club champion will somehow spur on every player to play 'above themselves'. I think it can have adverse effects.
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Surely your not suggesting Melbourne needed to play above themselves to beat Brisbane.

Melbourne embarrassed themselves and their club today, no other way you can look at it.

I agree with some of the previous posters, Neeld has had far too much to say this preseason, should just get on with the job like McCartney and stop blaming the players before a game has even been played.
 
There are several Melbourne players such as Aaron Davey and Brad Green who are probably playing for their careers between now and the end of the season. Davey and Green are now on VERY shaky ground.

After such a promising start Melbourne only kicked 4 goals to Brisbane's 10 in the second half.

I can tell you that at 3 quarter time, the whole of the Members Stand at the MCG (save for some Lions supporters) went completely quiet-and fuming.

Melbourne made a major mistake by rushing Jack Watts in too quickly, when Watts made his debut against Collingwood in 2008. Watts would've been better served by moving slowly through the ranks in the VFL, before playing him in the big time later on.
 
Jascave said:
There are several Melbourne players such as Aaron Davey and Brad Green who are probably playing for their careers between now and the end of the season. Davey and Green are now on VERY shaky ground.

After such a promising start Melbourne only kicked 4 goals to Brisbane's 10 in the second half.

I can tell you that at 3 quarter time, the whole of the Members Stand at the MCG (save for some Lions supporters) went completely quiet-and fuming.

Melbourne made a major mistake by rushing Jack Watts in too quickly, when Watts made his debut against Collingwood in 2008. Watts would've been better served by moving slowly through the ranks in the VFL, before playing him in the big time later on.
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Green should be playing for his career between now and next weekend.
 

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