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Pedantic point but SL didn't oust anybody because the SL never existed after that . And if you're going to blame anybody it would have to be the ARL requiring that SL clubs be not invited .
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Pedantic point but SL didn't oust anybody because the SL never existed after that . And if you're going to blame anybody it would have to be the ARL requiring that SL clubs be not invited .
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- #53
Number of people who attended NRL in Sydney on W/E = 33,000
Therefore the Sydney swans are bigger than the 4 NRL clubs who played in the 2 NRL games and there are more AFL supporters than NRL supporters willing to go to a game .
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The Sydney Swans Australian Football Club drew more people to it's game against St Kilda than all the people who attended NRL games in Sydney . Doesn't that say something oh mighty quoter of Oztam ratings bible , beloved be who dath watch TV .
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It's AFL types who love quoting the selective OzTam ratings, and all discussions inevitably lead to crowds... as if the 10 million living outside of the 5 capital cities somehow shouldnt count?
Are you a lesser person if you live in county areas?
THeir both Better then the Showground!
Re: Re: Melbourne: Your Town!! Your Team!!
GO back to your hole and die!!!
AFL = **** arse sport
Rugby League = Greatest Game Of All!
GO back to your hole and die!!!
AFL = **** arse sport
Rugby League = Greatest Game Of All!
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As usual you missed the point completely .You are always arguing ratings as to which code is the more popular .
I am quoting a case where people actually attending the game are the measure .
The Sydney Swans Australian Football Club drew more people to it's game against St Kilda than all the people who attended NRL games in Sydney . Therefore it is the more poplular code !
Asmuch as i envy AFL crowds
Going to the game isn't exactly the only way of judging the popularity of a sport... 
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I agree, but neither is pathetic OzTam figures where only a very very very small percentage of homes are surveyed on what they watch.Originally posted by LebaneseForces
Asmuch as i envy AFL crowds
Here is a stupid thought, when the next Census is upon us, why dont they add some sport questions as well - fat chance though.
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You are dead wrong on all counts.
You think that crowds determine popularity.
You think that I think that ratings determine popularity.
Dead wrong on both counts. The reality is its a mix of both, and other factors, eg merchandise sales, column inches.
Using the dumb logic from your last paragraph, I could say this.. the Wallabies have the highest crowd average of any football team in Melbourne each year, therefore Rugby Union is the most popular football code in Melbourne. The same nonsense you wrote isnt it?
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If people don't determine popularity ,what else ? Sheep .
You think that people who can't be bothered to go to the game count .
You are confusing the financial side of sport as against the pure sporting drawcard .
It might help if you compared apples with apples otherwise it is you that appears like a moron .The Wallabies are a national team .You 're not comparing them to the Australian National Football team but to the local teams .Even so the Wallabies aren't the biggest drawcard .
Now have you finished trying to distract people from the fact that the Sydney Swans AFC verses the Saint Kilda Sainys AFC drew more people than the whole of the NRL in Sydney last W/E.
Can you at least attempt to explain it .
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My only point is that it's far too simplistic to consider crowds as the sole determinant.
eg. Merchandise sales are a real & tangible indicator of support & popularity, no less so than bums on seats.
Please quote properly:
Congratulations, but you make it sound like the Swans themself are bigger than the NRL combined. Is that what you're suggesting?
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It's simple bums on seats is the primary and most easily accountable measure of popularity . There are lesser (much lesser) methods but they are open to much distortion .
Merchandise - the WAFL clubs updated their jumpers recently and there was a huge buy up by the public .Does this mean they are now more popular than with the old jumpers ?A lot of people buy wallaby jumpers and they don't even follow RU .IN fact a lot of people buy rugby jumpers because Australian Football jumpers are worn socially because of the lack of a colar .
Media -need i go into this can of worms .Basically the amount of media coverage is determined by who's driving the coverage .
Sales -the only sales that count are ticket sales !
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Are you trying to say that because AFL has an average double that of NRL, therefore AFL is twice as popular? You must be if you're trying to confine everything to a quick & easy attendance comparison.
Is AFL really twice as popular? I would argue it's only about 10-15% more popular.
AFL might have an average which is double that of NRL (32k cf 16k), but the NRL is a clear 2nd in any attendance analysis, with daylight 3rd 4th & 5th, all the way back to other codes like union & soccer.
A 16,000 average across 192 games, with 150-200,000 patrons for a State of Origin Series, plus a NRL Finals average crowds of 35,000, is significant.
You (& others) only minimise that success in attracting fans to the NRL by constant references to AFL. Many other professional football codes could be made to look ordinary as well with attendance comparisons to AFL.
Whilst I agree NRL crowds are generally below what should be expected, I think they are made to look worse than they actually are due to the well above average success of AFL in attracting patrons.
Anyway, patronage accounts for approximately 15% of revenue, whereas broadcast rights (FTA & payTV) account for the vast majority.
What's more important?
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I wouldn't like to count the number of times I've posted this but the football match between the Sydney Swans AFC verses the Saint Kilda Saints AFC drew more people than the whole of the NRL in Sydney last W/E.
Can you at least attempt to explain it . The emphasis was on the word "explain" .Got it . EXPLAIN . Can you explain why more people rolled up to watch one AFL game than did people roll up to watch NRL in Sydney .
The weather ? - It was a perfect day .
Something better on TV ? - I doubt it .
Some other big event ? - Not that I heard .
Shopping maybe ? - Buying all that merchadise you're so keen on .
Can you at least attempt to explain it . The emphasis was on the word "explain" .Got it . EXPLAIN . Can you explain why more people rolled up to watch one AFL game than did people roll up to watch NRL in Sydney .
The weather ? - It was a perfect day .
Something better on TV ? - I doubt it .
Some other big event ? - Not that I heard .
Shopping maybe ? - Buying all that merchadise you're so keen on .
For the WHOLE weekend?
Considering there were two matches, one which was marked by violence the last time the two teams played and the other a home game for the second wrost Sydney team running around, It doesn't mean much. Especially when their in the top 8 and they are playing a team that was invincible going in to the match...
Would a swans match against West Coast or Port Adelaide drwan the same?
Considering there were two matches, one which was marked by violence the last time the two teams played and the other a home game for the second wrost Sydney team running around, It doesn't mean much. Especially when their in the top 8 and they are playing a team that was invincible going in to the match...
Would a swans match against West Coast or Port Adelaide drwan the same?
Round 2 AFL-Sydney Vs Freo 22,000 (Rounded UP I might add)
Round 4 NRL-45,000 from 3 matches.
round 3 AFL-26,000 Vs Geelong
round 5 NRL-98,00 from 5 matches.
Round 5 AFL-34,000 Vs Melbourne (Advertised to death to...)
round 7 NRL-65,000 from 4 matches.
round 7 AFL-23,000 vs Richmond
round 9 NRL-33,000 from 3 matches.
round 9 AFL-25,000 Vs Hawthorn
round 11 NRL-49,000 from 4 matches.
Round 10 AFL-24,000 Vs bulldogs (Not neccesarily a home game)
round 12 NRL-62,000 from 4 matches.
Handsome Margin everytime. Barring last weekend. The Swans will outscore the NRL twice this year in Sydney I imagine too.
Round 4 NRL-45,000 from 3 matches.
round 3 AFL-26,000 Vs Geelong
round 5 NRL-98,00 from 5 matches.
Round 5 AFL-34,000 Vs Melbourne (Advertised to death to...)
round 7 NRL-65,000 from 4 matches.
round 7 AFL-23,000 vs Richmond
round 9 NRL-33,000 from 3 matches.
round 9 AFL-25,000 Vs Hawthorn
round 11 NRL-49,000 from 4 matches.
Round 10 AFL-24,000 Vs bulldogs (Not neccesarily a home game)
round 12 NRL-62,000 from 4 matches.
Handsome Margin everytime. Barring last weekend. The Swans will outscore the NRL twice this year in Sydney I imagine too.
Oh yeah, I'd also say that the AFL is probably 1.5 times more popular than the NRL. certainly nowhere enar double though.
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See it didn't take you long to work it out . LD is still scratching his feathers going on about everything else under the sun . Note that it was LD not me who said AFL is twice as popular as NRL but thanks for the endorsement anyway . But I didn't need a history lesson . The Sydney Swans are doing poorly this year onfield but they still manage to outdraw the Sydney NRL occassionally .IF there was only one AFL game in Melbourne on a W/E then it would be capacity , no matter what teams were invovled .
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Fair dinkum Mr Cossie.
I was asking a question saying that, on the basis of your prevent recent jibberish, AFL is exactly twice as popular as NRL because crowds are exactly twice as many. Correct me if I'm too drunk to realise, but wasn't I being sarcastic? I believe AFL is about 10-15% more popular, certainly not 100% more popular.
I dont think its too controversial to state the obvious, which is that a range of factors determine a codes (also any sport) popularity, not just crowds.
I think you are taking the radical position on this point.
I'd hardly call being the top 8 a 'bad' year. The NRL is easily more popular than the AFL in Sydney, On TOTAL crowds, tv viewership, Media Support and every other factor under the sun except for crowd averages, which, as can be pointed out, are only part of a bigger picture (Case in point-Monaco's crowd average in 11-12,000. It doesn't mean the club isn't less popular than all of the AFL clubs put together)
