Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott - Will appear on AFL360 coaches night on Monday 24th

[Keystone agony]

We haven’t ever properly rebuilt the list and hit the draft hard for 2-3 years in a row.

2020

 

[Keystone agony]

The actions we've taken since the end of 2022 is the first time I've seen the club take a typical 5 year rebuild seriously.

I think we were always set on a 5 year pathway with the belief that 4 years + 1 a little later would be an easier sell and less obvious than 5 years up front.

2023 was year 1, 2027 will be year 5.

No year 1, is 2025

2023 - Assess Group without making any majaor moves
2024 - Set in training standards, game plan, shift a few personel, see what they can do with those improvements, couldnt do it. Rebuild

I think as soon as you have 3 Top 10 picks in a given year, coupled with maintaining your next 2, thats a rebuild

 

[Call Me Cake]

I don’t think that’s the case at all. 2023 was just Scott assessing the list with no idea what we actually had. 2024 was Rosa assessing the list

Disagree. Our rebuild effectively began in 2023 with the added caveat of having to overturn the club from top to bottom simultaneously.

"Assessing the list" that's literally the job of a new coach in their first year when taking over struggling clubs and it's factored into the timeframe of a 5 year plan accordingly.

Since the very beginning we prioritized actively retaining our draft hand while recruiting for needs. We then gradually shed dead weight turning over the list heavily in the span of 18 months.

What typically follows the first couple of years is a transitionary period (the year 3 we're in now) when debutants and bare-bones youth start having more of an influence in the week to week results, while those more entrenched by this point have to overexert themselves to make up for the temporary deficiencies of the best 23 during the development as a group.

This is where most of the drubbings/teething issues happen and where clubs are most susceptible to giving up due to external pressure/impatience.

The latter couple of years, while development isn't always linear, are ideally more game-plan/selection pressure focused, all while continuing to hit the draft as usual with an eye on addressing holes through trade or FA.

We've started year 3 of what I think has always been considered a 5 year start up. The good news is we're closer to the mid-point, the bad news is that this is the hardest part of it all.

 

[jdstorm]

We rebuild every 5 years

Fascinating to see what Langford, Merrett, Mcgrath, Ridley ect think of this come years end, none could begrudge them for wanting out

I think Langford and Ridley are the types to knuckle down and make things better.

McGrath. I’ll pack his bags and drive him to the airport

 

[Call Me Cake]

2020

That was forced upon us and was the consequence of us losing multiple players, it was not a real rebuild and not long enough to be considered one. You don't start something just because of one draft and then make a definitive call on it 24 months on. This is a common misconception that needs to die and I eyeroll every time I hear it.

 

[Agronomus]

Not if Harley keeps tanking his value

If he wants out of the Eagles why would he keep busting his ass to make himself more valuable? If he nominates for the draft in 2027 we could still get him for a single pick

 

[ghostdog]

If he wants out of the Eagles why would he keep busting his ass to make himself more valuable? If he nominates for the draft in 2027 we could still get him for a single pick

I see a lot of final EFC year Joe in current Harley. It's a bit sad.
Does WC want him to be sad?

 

[joey_jo_jo]

After a few days of letting the dust settle, my main concern is still what is our game plan/style/brand (whatever you want to call it) going to be, are we going to be lock step with what the current trends are or are we going to still be a step behind like when truck wanted us to copy the tigers plan?

But overall I cant complain about what is happening with the list. We have been screaming for years for those in charge to accept the list is not up to scratch and take a long term approach to rebuilding the list and not take short cuts looking for a sugar hit. It looks like we are finally doing this so we have to accept there is going to be some ugly results, but hopefully it is short term pain/long term gain.
We didnt have the strong base that the Pies/Hawks had that allowed them to re-generate their list quickly, so its not a great comparision. I think we have to look at how long it took the dees to patiently build a premiership team and hopefully we can replicate that (minus the off-field shenanigans obviously ).

In an ideal world this would have happened at the start of Scott's tenure, not 3 seasons in but it is what it is and we cant undo mistakes made with drafting/recruiting. this season is basically the ground floor. Im still not sure he has the tactical nous to match it with the best coaches but he is what we need during the rebuild phase and he has already done a bit of the heavy lifting off field with Vozzo and Rosa.

 

[Squeaky]

After a few days of letting the dust settle, my main concern is still what is our game plan/style/brand (whatever you want to call it) going to be, are we going to be lock step with what the current trends are or are we going to still be a step behind like when truck wanted us to copy the tigers plan?

But overall I cant complain about what is happening with the list. We have been screaming for years for those in charge to accept the list is not up to scratch and take a long term approach to rebuilding the list and not take short cuts looking for a sugar hit. It looks like we are finally doing this so we have to accept there is going to be some ugly results, but hopefully it is short term pain/long term gain.
We didnt have the strong base that the Pies/Hawks had that allowed them to re-generate their list quickly, so its not a great comparision. I think we have to look at how long it took the dees to patiently build a premiership team and hopefully we can replicate that (minus the off-field shenanigans obviously ).

In an ideal world this would have happened at the start of Scott's tenure, not 3 seasons in but it is what it is and we cant undo mistakes made with drafting/recruiting. this season is basically the ground floor. Im still not sure he has the tactical nous to match it with the best coaches but he is what we need during the rebuild phase and he has already done a bit of the heavy lifting off field with Vozzo and Rosa.

Good summation of it...
It's gonna suck, but what choice do we have.

 

[Lore]

I disagree. A club does not need to change their head of recruitment every time they decide to rebuild.

In my opinion this has been the first concerted effort of a rebuild in a long time that hasn't been forced upon us as a result of off-field factors or players leaving.

As for "assessing the list", that's literally the job of every new coach in their first year, which is factored into the timeframe of an ideal 5 year plan.

The caveat to that is we've had to do it while overturning the club from top to bottom in order to regain a sense of stability.

Since the very beginning, we placed an importance on actively prioritising the retention of our draft hand while recruiting playersfor needs that matched the age demographic of the list. We then gradually shed dead-weight and turned the list over by more than 50% in the span of 18 months.

What typically follows all that early work is year 3, a transitionary period, in which debutants and bare-bones youth start having more of an (inconsistent) influence in the outcome of your week to week results while those who are more entrenched have been deemed a part of the future but still have to overexert themselves to make up for the temporary deficiencies of the selected side while learning to develop as a group.

This is where most of the drubbings happen and where clubs are most susceptible to giving up due to external pressure/impatience.

The latter couple of years are ideally more game-plan/selection pressure focused, this means it's possible to see start seeing competitiveness and a setting of standards without being ready for contention, all while continuing to hit the draft as usual with an eye on addressing the more honed-in on holes of the list either through trade or FA.

We've started year 3 of what I think has always been considered a 5 year start up. The good news is we're closer to the mid-point, the bad news is that this is the hardest part of it all.

I agree that what we have now is more or less the intended result of the 2022 board takeover in terms of an overhaul and putting footy back at the core of the business etc, but I don’t think they could have possibly envisioned it working out this way at the time given the loud cries of “underperforming” at the end of 2022 that resulted in the last coach being unceremoniously sacked because they thought that Truck was the real issue after 20 years of mediocrity.

It took the revolutionaries another 18 months after their board spill and external review to be convinced that the list just wasn’t that capable after all, which is why we have Rosa pitching a 3 year plan for board approval in 2024 and not 2022.

Feels like a plan within a plan within a plan (club > department > list), and they’re all offset by a year or two.

 

[gillon]

I don’t think that’s the case at all. 2023 was just Scott assessing the list with no idea what we actually had. 2024 was Rosa assessing the list (after we had moved Dodoro on)and realizing what we didn’t have. They came to the conclusion that we do have some young talent on the list but we need to just keep investing in the draft and stack our list with young kids.

It doesn’t take 2 years to come to this conclusion and I really hope that’s not how it played out

 

[faible]

It doesn’t take 2 years to come to this conclusion and I really hope that’s not how it played out

Trying to make changes at a big, old, organisation like EFC with all the politicking and factions isn't a quick process.

They've managed to extricate Sheedy, Dodoro, Campbell, and remove the specter of Hird. That's no mean feat.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Trying to make changes at a big, old, organisation like EFC with all the politicking and factions isn't a quick process.

They've managed to extricate Sheedy, Dodoro, Campbell, and remove the specter of Hird. That's no mean feat.

That’s just the big names. Who knows how many others there are lodged in the medical or high performance departments because of they were mates with someone or operated on Sheedy’s gout or whatever

 

[Howard Moon]

 

[Squeaky]

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But the 93 players had talent.
And (more importantly) a lot of them had played together through the U19s and ressies.

 

[ant555]

Well he has learnt one thing from last year. Parish playing VFL.

 

[andleanback]

2020

1 draft hand isn’t a rebuild, we literally had picks because a couple of players left.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

In for a north style rebuild I fear.

Good.

 

[fanuch]

But the 93 players had talent.
And (more importantly) a lot of them had played together through the U19s and ressies.

And as a child of the 70s it had Timmy

 

[Keystone agony]

1 draft hand isn’t a rebuild, we literally had picks because a couple of players left.

We had pretty much 5 top 10 picks in a 3 year window and lost said players

 

[div12ressie]

why cant we be like port adelaide/geelong/sydney etc and have to bottom out for 4+ years just to be relevant

 

[ant555]

why cant we be like port adelaide/geelong/sydney etc and have to bottom out for 4+ years just to be relevant

Well Geelong and Sydney have years of culture and good leadership. They are not coming off 20 years of disappointment.

 

[Skipper_]

why cant we be like port adelaide/geelong/sydney etc and have to bottom out for 4+ years just to be relevant

Because we don’t have an established winning culture.

 

[div12ressie]

Well Geelong and Sydney have years of culture and good leadership. They are not coming off 20 years of disappointment.

and port?

 

[Yoda_]

It doesn’t take 2 years to come to this conclusion and I really hope that’s not how it played out

If you read between the lines it absolutely is how
It’s played out.

Right down to the appointments.

Scott appointed post season with Dodoro still pulling strings

Rosa comes in as major shake up looms.
Scott obviously says to Matt let’s see what we can do in year two.

End of year two and it’s * this, time to re build. Goes and takes 7x18 year olds which is significant evidence we’re doing it properly


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