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Coach Men's Senior Coach: Brad Scott - Will appear on AFL360 coaches night on Monday 24th
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When did we draft 5 top 10 picks in a 3 year window .
Bzzt. Wrong.
Scott was speaking with a vision for the long-term with contempt for our "usual" Essendon wash cycles way back before his 2nd season, which no doubt followed on from plans set in motion in the first year.
This does not sound like a man who came in looking for sugar hits. This does not sound like a man who changes his opinion 25% into a contract. This sounds like a man who knew what he was doing, had the backing to do it and wanted to drip feed it to a typically hungry and impatient supporter base.
The President, Coach and CEO are from the end of 2022. Multiple visions aligned which spawned Rosa - not the other way around. Rosa is the culmination of a plan that already existed and he was the man seen as the right person to help it through identifying talent, not calling the shots. All of them knew Kako was coming to the club as a NGA, all of them knew Caddy's ties to him. It all goes back, it all ties in.
Barham took over a circus, Scott and Vozzo came into a club that was sick of doing the same old thing. Every single one of them would've been smart enough to realise that a proper 5-year rebuild was needed because doing what we usually do was just gonna bring us right back to no where, as Scott stated in the quote I posted above.
The fact that we were safeguarding our picks the entire time as a non-negotiable in order to simultaneously attack the draft proves this. The fact that we took advantage of available FA's on the younger side to fill list needs without compromising our draft hand proves this. The fact that Scott spoke of players in 8-year prospect terms proves this.
A pronounced long-term rebuild was never going to be go down easy with supporters of this club. It was always going to be something that would have to be done quietly until you hit the year in which the youngest are your backbone and the results make it too obvious (the year in which we've finally reached now).
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Before the 2024 season,
2023 was the start of the rebuild. The extra year to make it a full 5 makes all the sense in the world in hindsight.
2023 was the start of the rebuild. The extra year to make it a full 5 makes all the sense in the world in hindsight.
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Yet the media crucified him for that aswell last year, wanting him to pump up the sugar hit wins.
Deadset the media the last 48 hours has be an absolute joke and they look like morons who really display how little they actually know about what’s going on at clubs. Even Lloyd meant to know his club inside out and gets inside track with what’s going on, looks like an idiot.
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Some balanced and sensible comments re. 'rebuilds' by Longmire and Simpson tonight on 360. But, boy oh boy, some of the Ess numbers, from the past few years, put up were sobering.
Isn't the issue the collapse that is happening in year 3?
If Essendon is now rebuilding that's not due to the 40% of the list of fringe players and rookies turned over. It's because the core 30 players between Caddy and Goldstein (3 of whom are year 4 or younger) are no longer seen as good enough, isn't it?
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my biggest gripe is also that two years have been wasted...but at the end of day it is necessary, I 100% believe that the core 30 players arent good enough (and from what youve posted in the past I think you believe that too).
We cant undo the mistakes made in last two years (or in the previous 10 years for that matter) but at least it looks like there is finally a bit of humility shown by the leaders of the club in accepting where we really are instead of thumping their chests and deluding ourselves.
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My only gripe is that they wasted games on heppell and kelly and that cost us games into a few younger players, and also led to massimo leaving. The rest had to happen the way it happened.
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Glad the "young" side excuse has been debunked by Montagna.
It has only been necessary to the extent that it is what was required to prove to [insert list of idiots at the club] that the core group is not good enough.
It wasn't part of a grand plan and should not be rationalised as such. They changed their minds after the collapse last year. And even then they were still trying to sign Heppell. I suspect the light bulb moment happend during the pre season just gone.
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He didn’t debunk it, go and look at the experience stat aswell. It’s been either the youngest / 2nd youngest the first 2 weeks of the season. If it’s not that ‘young’ then I’m not sure what a young side is.
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yeah surprised no one called him out on that (well not that surprised, it is the AFL media after all). He brought up that our list was 11th most experienced overall but failed to mention the team that ran out in round 1 and 2 were the 2nd least experienced.
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do you think the core group is good enough though? I dont so I am just happy its finally being accepted, no point getting wound up with the backroom machinations that led to this point now that it has happened.
I stated yesterday Im still not certain he is the right coach for us long term because i have questions on his tactical nous, but I think he has the seniority/gravitas that enabled him to convince the board that a list rebuild was needed. I think rutten knew this too but the board didnt take him seriously.
edit: just have to add, I hope there is a clear segregation of duties between scott/rosa during the rebuild process.
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He's gone to draftguru and mindlessly repeated the stat from there.
Completely ignoring that replacing Goldstein (a player who's highly likely not going to be seen at AFL level this year) with a draftee drops 9 games average off the entire list, putting as the 2nd least experienced list overall.
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And one of the reasons the list is 11th would be because of the outlier of Goldstein who is literally just back up ruck / coach who isn’t in the plans for this season at all.
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Beat me to it
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Realistically it shouldn't be surprising that we are losing games when we are rolling out the youngest 23 in the competition. I thought we'd be a little better and so did plenty of others, but I think Brad is on the right path now. He certainly hasn't been afraid to play the kids which was definitely one of the concerns when we brought him in.
Want to see some more fight tonight, but I think he has us on the right path.
Want to see some more fight tonight, but I think he has us on the right path.
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Is it really that surprising? The AFL media is largely absolute dogshit serving up clickbait/ragebait for the lowest common denominator, and the business model would be threatened if they held each other to account.
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They also have fingernail deep analysis over all 18 clubs. Genuine fans of a club actually know more about the ins and outs of the team they support and where they’re at, than media people who just get paid to talk shit a few times a week.
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I thought the Hawks game was about the level the team was capable of this year; competitive-ish but not good enough against a side that is probably going to be around the top-4.
The Adelaide game was weird. They have an extremely potent forward line and the game was basically just a shoot out. We scored 100 but lost by 10 goals. I think they'll be decent this year, but we well and truly played them badly.
It's obviously not good enough. But the actual change hasn't even happened yet.
Parish, McGrath (as anything other than a lock down small defender), Gulfi, Hobbs, Tsatas are all quite obviously not capable of playing football at the level required. Gresham is too slow if we want to play as many tall forward as we do (which includes Langford and Edwards who do not provide ground level pressure). Martin is a C+ grader with the reputation of an A grader - useless if he is not going to hit targets (and he doesn't hit targets). Between Duursma, Jones and Durham (who is not a midfielder) you've got 3 players competing for 2 roles. I don't know what's going on with McKay but he's been diabolical. Reid will not likely ever realise the ability to play on a tall forward in which case he's not likely going to be a player that makes Essendon better than a smaller, more mobile alternative or someone who is actually capable of playing tall. Shiel is not worth picking.
That's 7-8 best 23 players I wouldn't pick and another 3 to 4 who have significant problems with their games. I'd let Martin and McKay prove that they can sort their shit out.
Cox is too weak as is Wright. Menzie is too slow and not good enough off the ball. Setterfiled can't get on the park.
That's a lot of chaff for a side which has been rebuilding.
Is it a massive issue through?
Was it an issue when Melbourne finished second last two years before winning a flag? At the time I’m sure I read questions of a failed build and whatnot.
I understand we don’t have the cattle like they did, but the point remains. In isolation, this looks like a failed build, long term, it should could be seen as a dip.
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