Merged Trade/Delistings threads

[Ben the Gooner]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Two questions will decide whether we want Cousins or not:
1) How long will he play for?
2) Will we be a genuine chance for a premiership in that time?

The answer to question two is the answer to whether a club should consider him.

However, I think that with such a young list, even if we could get 3-4 years out of Cousins, and challenge for a flag in that time, a more positive role model would be the go. If we were 3-4 years ahead of where we are now, it'd be yes with no qualms at all. As it is, no.

 

[The Dustbin]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

I'd have Cousins in a heart beat. Whilst he comes with a different reputation then Mal, he could prove to be really valuable for the younger players (Midfielders).

He would automatically be our number 1 midfielder, taking the best tagger. Which would free up the likes of Watson, Stanton... His record speaks for itself.

Of course his match preparation and training would also be beneficial for the kids.

Having said that, there are still doubts in the back of my mind if he is worth the risk with his past history.

I'm sitting on the fence.

 

[bossco]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Your the joke for wanting Cousins, he'll spend more time on the sidelines due to his off field antics and is a crap role model for the youngsters coming through.

If want a gun midfielder so bad, then we should do everything in our power to get that player and throw all the money and perks in the world to get the player to the club, it's not like we havn't got room for a massive contract in our salary cap.

We've wasted enough time on recycled players in the past whilst Kevin Sheedy was at the helm, and it was for the same reason as you want Cousins, so why on earth would we want to waste more time and money on a party boy such as Ben Cousins?

I've never heard so many contradictions in one post. We should do everything in our power to get a gun midfielder you say, but you don't want cousins? You want us to chase an on baller but you don't want a recycled player? Where are we getting this on baller then? Manangatang 3rds? Ben Cousins was a sensational role model for Chris Judd, showed him how to train to be an elite player, something our young on ballers obviously need.
As much as we all debate it, Ben Cousins will be playing AFL next year. Someone is going to pick him up. I'd just rather him playing for us than seeing him win the Anzac day medal in black and white.

 

[Schmick]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

I've never heard so many contradictions in one post. We should do everything in our power to get a gun midfielder you say, but you don't want cousins? You want us to chase an on baller but you don't want a recycled player? Where are we getting this on baller then? Manangatang 3rds? Ben Cousins was a sensational role model for Chris Judd, showed him how to train to be an elite player, something our young on ballers obviously need.
As much as we all debate it, Ben Cousins will be playing AFL next year. Someone is going to pick him up. I'd just rather him playing for us than seeing him win the Anzac day medal in black and white.

No, when I said we should do everything in our power to get a gun midfielder, i meant a young gun midfielder (as I mentioned in my post earlier) who will be around for a while, give 100% commitment and set a good example for the young players at the club, unlike Cousins.

Yeh Cousins might have been a good role model for the likes of Judd , but that was before he started getting into trouble with all his off-field issues, i can't say that doing those sorts of things would actually be a good example for the young players at a club would it.

I just feel that his off field issues outweigh the positives that he would bring to the club.

 

[mantis]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Source: Ricky Nixon. Do you have a source refuting that he is clean now or are you just talking out of your arse?

Ricky Nixon, ROFL, Tricky Ricky couldn't lie straight in bed, get back to me when you have a credible source.

 

[bossco]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Ricky Nixon, ROFL, Tricky Ricky couldn't lie straight in bed, get back to me when you have a credible source.

You know that he's not getting drug tested, you know that he's not clean now. Where are your sources? At least i can name one, you are just offering us gossip and non truths without any evidence to back it up. Pathetic really. Although you probably could get a job for A Current Affair.

 

[ant555]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

You know that he's not getting drug tested, you know that he's not clean now. Where are your sources? At least i can name one, you are just offering us gossip and non truths without any evidence to back it up. Pathetic really. Although you probably could get a job for A Current Affair.

Are you related to Cousins or are you secretly in love with him ?

 

[bossco]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Are you related to Cousins or are you secretly in love with him ?

Not so secretly in love with him. I'm in love with anyone who can dominate in the position our team most lacks.

 

[Sigmund]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

From an Essendon POV, I haven't thought about it enough, but from Cousins' own POV, he needs to go to Collingwood or Brisbane, and have Matthews or Malthouse keeping him in line.

Ben, I just wonder if John Worsfold, one of the toughest men to play the game, could not keep him in line, could anyone???

 

[GoDons]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

I'm starting to think we should look into it.

Obviously we'd have to go through a large process in finding out where is with his football and his personal life, but our young midfielders, in at least an on-field capacity, would benefit greatly from having him around.

It shouldn't be out of the question.

 

[ant555]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

I'm starting to think we should look into it.

Obviously we'd have to go through a large process in finding out where is with his football and his personal life, but our young midfielders, in at least an on-field capacity, would benefit greatly from having him around.

It shouldn't be out of the question.

Depends on where you see our list at. I see us needing three A class midfielders and im not talking about wingers or outside players. We need Watson plus someone who can win clearances and two genuine A class mids who know how to work in trafic in tough situations. Yes Cousins fills one of those spots but it still leaves us two short. Stanton is never going to be one of those guys. He is a running winger. That is his spot. Although Houli is seen by some as an inside player he actually isnt.Has always been an outside player through juniors.
I dont see a lot of value in getting Cousins. The reason being i dont think it brings us anything long term. It is basicly just another stop gap messure (although a better on than some in the past). He is a great player but people need to stop kidding themselves into believing we are only one or two players away from being a top side. We should have started rebuilding properly in 2003. We stuffed around until 2005 before we started beginging to rebuild again and a few of those picks are looking a bit dodgey as well. It is the time to just keep pushing through young blokes becasue we are miles of being a top 4 side and i dont think we have any sort of window of being one before Lloyd,Lucas and Fletcher go unless we somehow attract 3 or 4 quality players onto our list. Given the possible restrictions in drafting coming up i think we need to be going after as many kids as possible in the next two drafts.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Depends on where you see our list at. I see us needing three A class midfielders and im not talking about wingers or outside players. We need Watson plus someone who can win clearances and two genuine A class mids who know how to work in trafic in tough situations. Yes Cousins fills one of those spots but it still leaves us two short. Stanton is never going to be one of those guys. He is a running winger. That is his spot. Although Houli is seen by some as an inside player he actually isnt.Has always been an outside player through juniors.
I dont see a lot of value in getting Cousins. The reason being i dont think it brings us anything long term. It is basicly just another stop gap messure (although a better on than some in the past). He is a great player but people need to stop kidding themselves into believing we are only one or two players away from being a top side. We should have started rebuilding properly in 2003. We stuffed around until 2005 before we started beginging to rebuild again and a few of those picks are looking a bit dodgey as well. It is the time to just keep pushing through young blokes becasue we are miles of being a top 4 side and i dont think we have any sort of window of being one before Lloyd,Lucas and Fletcher go unless we somehow attract 3 or 4 quality players onto our list. Given the possible restrictions in drafting coming up i think we need to be going after as many kids as possible in the next two drafts.

I think we are a class mid away from genuine top 8 and two class mids away from top 4.

Watson and McVeigh can form the basis in the next few years but we need one of Hislop and Lonergan to get better real quick.... maybe Hocking who I have doubts against. I have always been impressed by Hislop and I thought his game on the weekend was good. He and Lonergan should be played all year rotating through the centre when fit.

I think the next draft is crucial as we need to stock up before the new clubs come in and take away most of the good kids.

We have to trade some of those guys that are in the 25-30 bracket to get 4 picks inside the 30-40. I have heard that it looks to be a pretty deep draft.

Any guy that's not a genuine mid or KPP should be put up for trade - Welsh, NLM, Nash. These guys might have some value.

 

[Walesy]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Depends on where you see our list at. I see us needing three A class midfielders and im not talking about wingers or outside players. We need Watson plus someone who can win clearances and two genuine A class mids who know how to work in trafic in tough situations. Yes Cousins fills one of those spots but it still leaves us two short. Stanton is never going to be one of those guys. He is a running winger. That is his spot. Although Houli is seen by some as an inside player he actually isnt.Has always been an outside player through juniors.
I dont see a lot of value in getting Cousins. The reason being i dont think it brings us anything long term. It is basicly just another stop gap messure (although a better on than some in the past). He is a great player but people need to stop kidding themselves into believing we are only one or two players away from being a top side. We should have started rebuilding properly in 2003. We stuffed around until 2005 before we started beginging to rebuild again and a few of those picks are looking a bit dodgey as well. It is the time to just keep pushing through young blokes becasue we are miles of being a top 4 side and i dont think we have any sort of window of being one before Lloyd,Lucas and Fletcher go unless we somehow attract 3 or 4 quality players onto our list. Given the possible restrictions in drafting coming up i think we need to be going after as many kids as possible in the next two drafts.

That's the ticket. The draft is going to be no-mans land soon, we need to pick up as many kids as possible... I don't want to be rebuilding during those years, I would want to be up at the pointy end where your draft-picks are out of the top ten anyways... (And you'll have fodder to trade off to the new teams *for* their huge supply of draft picks)

 

[Valve Bounce]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

There is no doubt Benny was a great player, one which I would go to a game to watch. However, I have doubts regarding Benny's rehabilitation, which is vital to his returning successfully to footy. I'm not talking about the booze bus or the time he was pulled over. I am talking about his return to rehab in the US where he shacks up with a call girl instead as soon as he arrives there, goes on a bender, and she has to ring 911 to get medical help for him. I am talking about his party at Surfers subsequently when he was photographed (allegedly) sniffing something from a table.

Does Benny have the inclination and determination to sort himself out? That is the issue.

No!! Sorry!! I don't have the answer to that. Nobody but Benny himself knows where he is heading. ( and I don't mean to which AFL team. )

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Ben, I just wonder if John Worsfold, one of the toughest men to play the game, could not keep him in line, could anyone???

Worsfold is different to Matthews and Malthouse for two main reasons:

1. Worsfold is the same generation as Cousins, so would be seen as more of a mate than an authority figure.
2. Worsfold tended to turn a blind eye as long as the team were winning. Could you see Matthews or Malthouse doing that?

 

[Don Gibson]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

If Knights wants to recruit an A+ midfielder, I'd rather get Cousins than have to trade for Kerr, although Kerr is a few years younger.

But definately agree at looking forward to when the new teams come in. We must make sure we get as many young kids now as we can. Do getting either of these players harm this? not sure.

Would love a priority pick at the moment....

 

[Soze]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Wouldn't mind having him but no chance he is coming to essendon he will want to get in a side thats a genuine preimership contender.

From what I've seen of him over here in Perth, I'd say this is pretty close to the mark. Ego is a big part of Ben Cousins. Missing a season of footy might make him hungry again, but it won't quash something that big.

 

[Dais]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

I disagree completely. I would not like Cousins playing for the club. Just my opinion... No way.

 

[Sigmund]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Worsfold is different to Matthews and Malthouse for two main reasons:

1. Worsfold is the same generation as Cousins, so would be seen as more of a mate than an authority figure.
2. Worsfold tended to turn a blind eye as long as the team were winning. Could you see Matthews or Malthouse doing that?

No. I guess the question is then would they be willing to take the risk on him? They would have to have supreme ability to control him to take this risk. Otherwise it could turn ugly and tarnish personal reputations and clubs etc.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

No. I guess the question is then would they be willing to take the risk on him? They would have to have supreme ability to control him to take this risk. Otherwise it could turn ugly and tarnish personal reputations and clubs etc.

That's a point, but if, for example, Dale Thomas or Jed Adcock, turned out like Cousins, Matthews and Malthouse would be much sterner than Worsfold, benefitting the club and the player.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

That's a point, but if, for example, Dale Thomas or Jed Adcock, turned out like Cousins, Matthews and Malthouse would be much sterner than Worsfold, benefitting the club and the player.

I think Malthouse and Cousins would have mutural respect after their previous player/coach relationship but I dont exactly think Malthouse is 'strick'. On a few occasions Ive got the impression from Malthouse that superstars have a different set of rules as opposed to the rest of the team.

 

[daffo]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

Inside word is his had plenty of discussions with Malthouse, and if Collingwood can get him, they will.
He won't come to Essendon, Knights WON"T take him. I personally think if we could get him for nothing, then he would be an assest.

 

[OrangeCutter]

Warnock Anyone

Warnock in coming out of contract and is rumoured that he wants to come home to Victoria.

Personally i see him as a perfect player for us.
You could say we have 4 players on our list ATM that could potenially Ruck

Hille - stood up this year, looks like he has finally taken that step to best in the top 6 ruckman in the comp.
Laycock - gone backwards really looks like his at crossroads. I think the only way for laycock to realise his potenial is to do it at another club.
Bellchambers - young and a unknown quantity, to early to tell.
Ryder - can ruck but needed around the ground to much so lets just leave him there.

I would love to see us make a push for him maybe a dyson trade

i would also like to see Laycock be offloaded while he still has currency maybe for a late first early second.

Also i hear all this talk that where chasing Kerr. What will we be offering because ill be guttered if its gumbleton or ryder they are strictly hands off. If we end up with a top 5 pick which i pray we dont i wouldn't want to offer that because if we have a chance for Rich or Hurley i pray we take them.

just my two cents

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Re: Warnock Anyone

I would love to see us make a push for him maybe a dyson trade

We'd be LUCKY to get a late 2nd rounder for Laycock

 

[rjslcM]

Re: We must draft Ben Cousins

From an Essendon POV, I haven't thought about it enough, but from Cousins' own POV, he needs to go to Collingwood or Brisbane, and have Matthews or Malthouse keeping him in line.

agree 100%