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Vossy might be safe for now but he better get equipped quick smart.. Players are said to be confused and are unsure of what our system actually is.
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And your first sentence is actually the issueDon't think the club is really going to heed too much what supporters think (unless we drop down to 50000 members in 2024)... but the concerning thing is everyone in the AFL world from media to opposition to other supporters are seeing the same thing we are and are completely perplexed as to what's going on with selection, continued same issues with the game plan.
Essendon game did in Bolton.He'll be sacked before that. At the bye after we've kicked 7 goals for the game again and lost to the Suns in Melbourne would be my tip.
Doubt it lose all those and Hawthorne after the bye it could get uglyEssendon game did in Bolton.
Will be the game that Voss needs to win to survive...
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Those players can piss off. Bring new bloodCannot see Voss being killed off this season no matter how bad it gets.
Id suspect he will be given the chance again to surround himself with people that make him better.
And as for players not liking him or confused by the game plan, this feels deja vu as they couldn't grasp the last 2 coaches either... I wonder if it's not the coach and it's the players not buying in. 1st time I get it, 3rd time not so much
Better find out who they are thenThose players can piss off. Bring new blood
No…So if Vossy is safe and we are gonna change the coaches around him, do you extend his contract going into next year?
No chance. That's crazy talk.So if Vossy is safe and we are gonna change the coaches around him, do you extend his contract going into next year?
I think Vossy is in trouble to be honestNo…
No point in looking at Vossy contract until mid 2024, not as though he’d be going anywhere…
When hired we knew he lacked tactically, but never address it sufficiently…
The noise will only get lounder especially over the preseason if results continue for the remainder of this season. Going to be a huge distraction Vossy’s contractNo chance. That's crazy talk.
You don't extend a 3 year contract to 5 1.5 or 2 and a bit years into it if you aren't 1000% happy with a coach. Not sure why you'd contemplate extending.The noise will only get lounder especially over the preseason if results continue for the remainder of this season. Going to be a huge distraction Vossy’s contract
I completely agree, was just asking the question. That’s why I think Vossy is in troubleYou don't extend a 3 year contract to 5 1.5 or 2 and a bit years into it if you aren't 1000% happy with a coach. Not sure why you'd contemplate extending.
Thats fair.I completely agree, was just asking the question. That’s why I think Vossy is in trouble
NoSo if Vossy is safe and we are gonna change the coaches around him, do you extend his contract going into next year?
Said by whom?Vossy might be safe for now but he better get equipped quick smart.. Players are said to be confused and are unsure of what our system actually is.
Posted this in another thread too, but I've done a pretty big about face since the weekend, and im less on board with moving on Voss.
To be clear, I still think this is the worst coached Carlton team I have ever seen. The results are atrocious (essentially 6 straight losses with a mature and talented list in its prime) but so is the process/product: those 6 losses have all been by 20+ points, and we haven't scored 75 ourselves in any of them. Voss comes across as stubborn and defensive, and doesn't appear to have a clue how to turn things around. The game plan is woeful, the players are down on confidence and Voss also seems to be playing favourites with the players, has ruled lines through them and is spending far too much time asking htem to cover their weaknesses rather than playing to their strengths.
None of that has changed for me - I still maintain that to be the case.
However, I also think that even if the greatest coach in the world joined the club today, we would still struggle to progress, and need a much deeper cultural change. We need to start focusing on development right across the club; growing people rather than poaching them from outside. Voss is currently doing a woeful job, and so are the players AND we can't just keep throwing people out. Instead, we have to figure out how to turn things around internally, and weirdly, be able to survive terrible coaching, be able to survive some missed draft picks, loss of form for key players, etc... at least for a while, and long enough for the ship to right itself.
You see other clubs do this. Geelong's record with first round picks is horrible. Port fans have wanted Hinkley gone since day 1, and yet somehow they are playing well. Collingwood rode through Malthouse's idiosyncracies (and from what he showed at Carlton - complete lack of touch with modern footy) AND Buckley's inability to connect with the players and made grand finals with both... then lucked into Macrae and look the next powerhouse.
I think back to our own successful periods: post 1995 for example we dropped off fast and had simialr woes to now in 1998... players out of form, struggling to put the pieces together. But we rode that out, turned it around, made GF 18 months later. We were once like this... now we are constantly looking for the mext great saviour from outside to come in and fix things... Pagan, Judd, Malthouse, Pratt, Russell, Cook... the answer isn't outside, unfortunately.
Can we turn this around? Maybe not this year... although a streak like Collingwood's last year isn't totally implausible (i still think this team should be a top 4 contender so going 10-2 from here should be feasible). At a minimum, i would like to see us tweak things, find some things out and reboot towards the future, and in particular start to believe that we cna be successful, and don't need to constantly churn people tonget there.
One caveat: for Voss to get that chance, he has to offer the players the same too. Dow has to play this week, for example, and be given a genuine shot to step up (unlike last year where he twice played one match against top 4 opposition and was immediately dropped). Fogarty should get a shot too... same with any other player on the list who is playing good footy - they should get a chance to play to their strengths in the seniors and show what they go, just as Vossy gets backed in to develop too. That's probably more the deal breaker for me than a shicking game plan - you can fix twctics, but not if you don't believe in your own guys...
No, Dockers HBF’er Clark (can’t remember his 1st name, ex-Geelong).Just confirming that's our Clarke talking about Cripps and co talking to Voss?
Possibly, nothing Carlton surprises me anymore tbh…I think Vossy is in trouble to be honest
Thats fair.
I suspect the coaches and others within the club are pointing the finger at the players. Many of the same players who have not wanted the last 2 coaches there and pushed for change.