Coach Michael Voss

[The Blue Weirdo]

If we continue to play with this new level of boldness, regardless of the game results, I predict that most Voss criticism will vanish.

 

[Michael Jezz]

If we continue to play with this new level of boldness, regardless of the game results, I predict that most Voss criticism will vanish.

Boldness is far more challenging against good sides, who will punish the turnover. I want to see if we can persist with fast transition and coridoor footy when we are scored against and not fall back into our shell

 

[JustaBattler]

Every Club builds every year as well as they can according to what they can do.

 

[JustaBattler]

Boldness is far more challenging against good sides, who will punish the turnover. I want to see if we can persist with fast transition and coridoor footy when we are scored against and not fall back into our shell

Is that Voss or the players executing against the opposition?

 

[T2B_]

Is that Voss or the players executing against the opposition?

The players for mine. Even yesterday there were quite a few muffed executions, errant kicks straight to the opposition under little pressure or selling each other into trouble with overuse of the ball, indecision etc.

Vossy has no control over that.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I note a thunderous silence from the anti Voss brigade this morning - maybe the team won yesterday and they have all one back to resharpen their pencils.

Yeah... nobody has anything better to do on a Sunday morning...

There is no anti-Voss brigade... what you're whinging about is people who mostly want to see him get some senior support to help him with tactics.

Sure, they were flawless last night... but the opposition was garbage too...

Let's see how they go over the next 6 weeks before we declare there's nothing to worry about...

 

[Blue and Blue]

Boldness is far more challenging against good sides, who will punish the turnover. I want to see if we can persist with fast transition and coridoor footy when we are scored against and not fall back into our shell

I suggest watch the replay forget all the issue ranking which none of us can control ever and just grin all the way through the game

 

[Blue and Blue]

Yeah... nobody has anything better to do on a Sunday morning...

There is no anti-Voss brigade... what you're whinging about is people who mostly want to see him get some senior support to help him with tactics.

Sure, they were flawless last night... but the opposition was garbage too...

Let's see how they go over the next 6 weeks before we declare there's nothing to worry about...

I'm not worried. Surest way to an ulcer mate. 'Carna Blues'.....repeat that every hour

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I'm not worried. Surest way to an ulcer mate. 'Carna Blues'.....repeat that every hour

I'm hoping last night's win has done a lot for this group. It's the first time they've absolutely buried a team.

It's also the first time this season where they went from strength to strength each quarter. Despite how crap the Eagles are, it's still hard to win games by over 100 points. The fact that they were willing to play more daring football and create scoring opportunities that way is the main thing to take out of that win imo. Need to go on with that confidence for the next 2 months before the bye.

 

[Arr0w]

I note a thunderous silence from the anti Voss brigade this morning - maybe the team won yesterday and they have all one back to resharpen their pencils.

The narrative will always change depending on the outcome v expectations ( what's posted on this site), and has to some degree, even with one outing

From WC will beat us, or we fall over the line to paper over the cracks. And now it gets amended to, let's wait and see what happens over x amount of weeks. Surely wait and see would have been the most appropriate option

Would it be any different if we won by 6, 8, 10, 15 goals and still played the same way against better opposition? Not IMHO.

If at the start of the season anyone thought we were a 10 win side, or a 16 win side, or anywhere in between, not sure 7 weeks changes that opinion, not for me anyway

 

[El Topo]

Hoping that Kemp and Cinc have taught Vossy a lesson in trusting his squad players

 

[Arr0w]

Hoping that Kemp and Cinc have taught Vossy a lesson in trusting his squad players

I suspect he already did, especially with Cowan and Hollands playing the first 6 rounds

 

[Robbo's my hero]

I don’t get the passive/aggressive commentary around Michael Voss.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Whenever I see all the waffle about Voss and the board, president etc I just think its absolute junk. Nobody knows what's going on behind the scenes.

What we do know is weve had a full clean out multiple times during some of the players tenures and not much changes with them regardless of coach.

Our list is a middle of the road one with a few freaks of nature that can carry us to a few extra wins. Still multiple weak links each game and a dozen injuries.

Impossible to coach an exciting and bold game plan without the cattle required - Clarko, Ross, Simpson etc are all testament of that. Most would have predicted we would be a 8th-4th team this year and right now we're on track for that barring a disastrous patch of form over the next month.

If that happens we can ask questions but we've lost to an up and about Adelaide and Stk who both look certainties for finals.

 

[WalshYouLegend]

The Senior Coaching position is the least of Carlton's problem. Questioning the Carlton Coaching Positon sustains the media

I have ranked the issues at Carlton

I agree, the biggest problem is how are we going to fit the 17th CUP into the wooden cabinet at Visy Park.

 

[Gointocarlton]

I agree, the biggest problem is how are we going to fit the 17th CUP into the wooden cabinet at Visy Park.

There's room

 

[Coona Blues]

There's room

Hopefully won’t be when Vossy is finished

 

[JustaBattler]

Yeah... nobody has anything better to do on a Sunday morning...

There is no anti-Voss brigade... what you're whinging about is people who mostly want to see him get some senior support to help him with tactics.

Sure, they were flawless last night... but the opposition was garbage too...

Let's see how they go over the next 6 weeks before we declare there's nothing to worry about...

Profound.

 

[bourbons]

Would it be any different if we won by 6, 8, 10, 15 goals and still played the same way against better opposition? Not IMHO.

Of course it would.

We beat Brisbane by 6 or 8 goals and that would very clearly be a far better and more substantive performance than beating that West Coast side by 100. That type of win would start to change the thinking on where we're at, last night's win doesn't move the needle much imo.

 

[Aphrodite]

I agree, the biggest problem is how are we going to fit the 17th CUP into the wooden cabinet at Visy Park.

There's room

Don’t have the cabinet anymore.

 

[Arr0w]

Of course it would.

We beat Brisbane by 6 or 8 goals and that would very clearly be a far better and more substantive performance than beating that West Coast side by 100. That type of win would start to change the thinking on where we're at, last night's win doesn't move the needle much imo.

Wasn't talking about any other game, just the WC game

But wouldn't change the club's thinking on where they are at, if we beat the Lions by 6 goals, it changes yours.

Hence the whole, never as bad, never as good

 

[oldtimer22]

The Senior Coaching position is the least of Carlton's problem. Questioning the Carlton Coaching Positon sustains the media

I have ranked the issues at Carlton
A) Club leadership from President down. We are going to find out if Sayers, is a Frank Costa or Mcguire. Someone at the helm apart from the coach needs to set the tone

B) Onfield Leadership. It might be we need to recruit a few players with premiership experience but our senior core for many years do not maintain standards. When we underperform it is due to turnovers and decision errors by the likes of Docherty, Mckay, Charlie Curnow, Weitering, Crippa

C) List needs a rebuild. It just is not that strong. We don't have the role players, B and C graders from position 15 to 30. Also Curnow is a true match winner. Saad a game breaker but the rest of our good players are accumulators, including walsh. We need to add a few burst players

D) Fitness staff. They still require a review due to too many injuries. Includes stopping recruitment of players with injuries

E)In game managememt, Match day Tactics and assistant coaches. Voss is weak at matchday coaching and needs to replace at least 2 of his assistants with a tactician and senior assistant. Would do well with a senior assistant like Nathan Buckley even Adam Simpson next year.

F) Senior Coach. Voss may not be the greatest senior coach, however, he has taught this group to contest and put heads over the ball compared to the teague, bolton era. Our club looks for the external scapegoat: Pagan, Malthouse, Bolton, SoS and hangs them out to dry instead of rectifying internal fundamentals. Fix them we could be a top 4 side. Currently our ceiling is 7th or 8th

Very considered response. I think you are mostly on the ball.
As to A, I think Sayers is an example of the modern corporate type who gets further than they should because they have excellent networking skills and can work a room, so to speak. But, as always, those who REALLY excel do so because they have good judgment. Good judgment comes from the right combo of IQ and EQ. Just because you can network well, it doesn’t mean that you have good judgment. He failed the first test by yielding to the pc noise in the boardroom at Carlton and not backing his own judgment in pushing for Ross Lyon.
As to the balance, I agree. Our list needs real change and enhancement. Lets be BOLD.
RADICAL IDEA: What would we get and from whom if we trade Harry McKay at the end of the year?
Sydney would love him. We could profit handsomely from that trade.

 

[oldtimer22]

Another rebuild

No, just a judicious mini build.

 

[BigLarry76]

I genuinely believe Voss is the right man, it would be an epic failure if they don’t get a premiership with their current list.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Very considered response. I think you are mostly on the ball.
As to A, I think Sayers is an example of the modern corporate type who gets further than they should because they have excellent networking skills and can work a room, so to speak. But, as always, those who REALLY excel do so because they have good judgment. Good judgment comes from the right combo of IQ and EQ. Just because you can network well, it doesn’t mean that you have good judgment. He failed the first test by yielding to the pc noise in the boardroom at Carlton and not backing his own judgment in pushing for Ross Lyon.
As to the balance, I agree. Our list needs real change and enhancement. Lets be BOLD.
RADICAL IDEA: What would we get and from whom if we trade Harry McKay at the end of the year?
Sydney would love him. We could profit handsomely from that trade.

This thread's all about Voss, Lyon's as relevant to us as Dow is to Voss, and give thanks for that.(the Lyon bit)
On the other hand, McRae or Nicks....just kidding.

Voss appears to be responding to external/internal pressure, the gameplan over the next 6 weeks will be under the microscope.