Coach Michael Voss

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gbatman said:
The role of senior coach is much different to head coach.

Senior coach is a general manager. Keeps the peace and discipline of the group and drives them. Has an input into tactics but doesn't have to be a genius decision maker and tactician.

Voss is that senior coach person. But he is not a great decision maker or tactician.

Voss needs three things to succeeded as a coach at Carlton.

1. The players. He doesn't have them and that is part the fault of his coaching group. They needed to be advising list management about what they wanted and to get that right. The main issue has been our onball group. When the rule changes came, those teams who were quick to act and got it right have gone ahead in leaps and bounds. Those who didn't, us have gone backwards. The advice to go for faster, more agile mids who run down, tackle and run both ways at pace needed to be the first things reiterated to our list management from coaching when Voss came in. Again this could have been a lot to do with who he has around him, why leave it up to one guy to figure this out? We don't have the players, we need to get that done.

2. Assistants. It seems all the teams who have had a sustained run at success and won multiple flags are loaded with well regarded assistants. It comes from a top notch footy boss and that comes from a top notch CEO. Last time we were any good we had a good group under David Parkin. New fresh minds who would go on to be successful under an old enforcer.

3. He needs to let go and trust more. Trust his playing group more. You can tell there are players who he just does not trust. He was forced to play youth this year and when he did they did well. He is very reluctant when it comes to who he throws into the middle. Rather run our onball group into the ground or let them get smashed than to try something creative. Last two finals series he has dropped well performing players for names and favorites. He is afraid of playing lighter bodies and more outside players. That's why we keep falling back into becoming slow all the time.

He also needs to trust his assistants more. I get the feeling Voss is probably stubborn. How can we keep making tactical and selection mistakes with so many coaches there? Who's making the mistakes? If we surround Voss with good tactical people and decision makers, will it go to waste? Will he listen?

In terms of good assistant coaches. Brett Ratten, Adam Simpson have been mentioned but I would also be enquiring about Brendan Bolton and just seeing if he would be willing to return. There are plenty of well regarded coaches out there. Justin Leppitsch for example.

It just seems like Geelong and Collingwood get the best. Richmond over the last few years as well and we get what is left over. We just seem to get what's left on the scrapheap every time when it comes to assistants.
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I shouldn’t be saying this as hawthorn supporter but my gf is a Carlton supporter so I have a soft spot for em .. you guys should look to get Luke Hodge to Carlton as an assistant to Vossy !
 
GlenferrieKing said:
I shouldn’t be saying this as hawthorn supporter but my gf is a Carlton supporter so I have a soft spot for em .. you guys should look to get Luke Hodge to Carlton as an assistant to Vossy !
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Would love him on the coaching team, but reality is Hodge and family are settled in Qld. He gets a great part time gig in the media to pay the bills without the grind and pressures of coaching. I am sure he is sounded out each off season. Maybe if his kid is drafted there is some scope for a Victorian return (not sure if he has other, younger offspring)
 
Coona Blues said:
Would love him on the coaching team, but reality is Hodge and family are settled in Qld. He gets a great part time gig in the media to pay the bills without the grind and pressures of coaching. I am sure he is sounded out each off season. Maybe if his kid is drafted there is some scope for a Victorian return (not sure if he has other, younger offspring)
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DangerousD said:
After his first season as coach, Voss was asked in the media about f he was heading overseas in the off season on any educational trips.

His response was, not unless I want a divorce.

It’s was a small comment for me to latch on to but he’s in a competition against 18 other coaches, lots of which go yearly in the hope to improve their craft and better themselves.

I’ve never read anywhere in his three years that he’s doing anything.
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Mentioned in the interview put out by the club today that he's going try to head over to spend time with Tottenham/Ange for some "PD".
 
GlenferrieKing said:
I shouldn’t be saying this as hawthorn supporter but my gf is a Carlton supporter so I have a soft spot for em .. you guys should look to get Luke Hodge to Carlton as an assistant to Vossy !
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Was at dinner with Hodge a few weeks back.

Zero chance he leaves Brissy. He and his family absolutely love it up there.
 
I bleed Blue said:
Was at dinner with Hodge a few weeks back.
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Hodgey spotting a shepard's pie
 

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GlenferrieKing said:
I shouldn’t be saying this as hawthorn supporter but my gf is a Carlton supporter so I have a soft spot for em .. you guys should look to get Luke Hodge to Carlton as an assistant to Vossy !
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Yes, Hodge would be an excellent get as he sees the game so well, but would he leave a media career for it?
 
Thrawn said:
I roll my eyes whenever I see people say "Voss needs tactical know-how assistants surrounding him", "Voss is a motivator but weak tactically", etc. He's the head coach ffs, he should have some tactical nous. If he doesn't have that, then why is he coaching?

Can understand delegating to ease the workload, but ultimately, he makes the decisions on game-day. He's been in the system for over a decade and you are telling me he's still unable to adjust, make the right calls, etc? If he is weak tactically on game-day, why? Has he not improved? Is he incapable of learning new things?

It's just an excuse.
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Many supporters have short memories. Pre Voss, the players didn't contest and pressure to the required level. Voss put the spirit back in the place. He is a good motivator and manager of men. He needs some tactical augmentation.
 
Michael Jezz said:
Many supporters have short memories. Pre Voss, the players didn't contest and pressure to the required level. Voss put the spirit back in the place. He is a good motivator and manager of men. He needs some tactical augmentation.
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And they showed it again in the latter part of the season and EF.

If he's calling the shots with selection, he has been a terrible manager. The results don't lie.
 
Voss has achieved the best results for Carlton since Ratten - all these comments about Voss this and Voss that are blah blah blah he doesn't have the list or the players that some other Clubs have - Cripps on 40 points to win a Brownlow says it all about the lack of class around him.

blaming Voss for what he hasn't done with what he hasn't got - misses the point - and that ios what he has done with what he has had...

It is ALWAYS about the players much more than any coach.
 
JustaBattler said:
Voss has achieved the best results for Carlton since Ratten - all these comments about Voss this and Voss that are blah blah blah he doesn't have the list or the players that some other Clubs have - Cripps on 40 points to win a Brownlow says it all about the lack of class around him.

blaming Voss for what he hasn't done with what he hasn't got - misses the point - and that ios what he has done with what he has had...

It is ALWAYS about the players much more than any coach.
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Mostly about the players, but not always JaB.

Still think Percy Jones in 1980 might be the exception to the rule… :D
 
If some peripheral players are done with Voss they can follow the delisted out the door. Seriously Goodwin and Bevo have won a flag each, even if Voss isn't the all encompassing genius some would like if we can get our fitness/injuries sorted, add a few more pieces to the list and make a few tweaks with the game plan/player roles we are in it up to our eyeballs next season.
 

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