Michael Warners article 04/12/24. How woke and hypocritical the afl has become.

[SBD Gonzalez]

The reality is the Liberal Party doesn't have many policies other than culture wars

True that.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

But let's not think for a second that the afl is doing this out of any desire to help anyone. They are simply doing it as a money spinning marketing tactic. If they really cared about any groups suffering in society they would do all of these things you suggest they do AND ban gambling advertising (they are not mutually exclusive issues they have the capacity to do both) but they have no interest at all in the latter which shows their true colours.

Welcome to capitalism.

I'm pretty left wing. I don't for a minute think the AFL is doing any of this stuff for any reason other than to relentlessly grow market share.

Unlike the OP, I am not remotely offended by the AFLs "hypocrisy".

I'm quite offended by capitalism though.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Thinking that boomers can’t show empathy, compassion or inclusion….. that’s not woke but I can think of a dozen other words that it is. But I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings and have them feeling assaulted on an internet forum.

You may want to re-read SYL's post, as I think you've miscomprehended it the first time.

 

[Atomboy]

Awarding a medal named after Richard Pratt shows that the AFL is anything but woke.

Also can’t be hypocritical when it mirrors their core ethos.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Not so much that it's the fact people shouldn't get offended when people make a joke or light hearted banter even if it is inappropriate or casually racist, learn to have a laugh. This is the anti woke argument. The Sam Newman and people of his ilk argument. Free speech shouldn't be free rein to say and do what you like which is where the anti woke snowflakes get confused.

Sam Newman is a mean spirited racist old gronk.
Basic rule of thumb with him is that if you’re on the same side of whatever it is he’s arguing, you’re generally on the wrong side.

Casual racism is only fun for those who who haven’t experienced it their entire lives, and the idea that people who have copped it their entire life for being different should just lighten up is a broken way of thinking.
I guess victims of sexual assault should laugh at jokes about abuse too?

Getting back to my point though, it’s humorous to me that my parents generation can’t see an Asian person without pointing them out or making some sort of racist quip about them “being here”, and also have such distaste for having to acknowledge anyone who is different(gender, sexual orientation, race)or lives their life differently to how they do… but have a real issue with someone wearing a hat inside or having their elbows on the table, because that’s “poor manners”.

Racism/ignorance = totally fine.
Hat inside/elbows on the table = really poor bahaviour

 

[Osho]

That's correct. Both of your hands are in the middle.

What they're doing there is anyone's guess.

ROAR!

 

[TheEscapeClub]

You don't think that Australian Venue Co were, at minimum, engaging in a little virtue-signalling toward their employees?

I've written this elsewhere before, but I'll summarise again. I spent a very long time in the mining industry and the virtue-signalling in the last 15 or so years of my career before I retired became ridiculous. I won't bore you with examples but it was base hypocrisy at its finest.

My thoughts at the time were - my opinion is my own. You do not, as my employer, have the right to force your cynical opinion politics down my throat. You are not my conscience.

My bet is someone in AVC thought pretty much the same as me and forwarded the "internal email" on to journalists.

I very much doubt that any of the nasty horrible media corporations have to look too hard to find anyone who REALLY hates this sort of mindless virtue signalling, which is what it is IMO.

I won't go anywhere near one of their pubs again, for more than one reason. And it's my choice. And the lovely thing about it being my choice is I only need to justify that choice to one person.

Yep, 2011 to 2022 with BHP in NiW and WAIO, surely they're the gold standard of virtue signalling in this country.

Pre-start meetings spent having it force fed to us. None of us believed it or were interested in it, I don't think management delivering it even believed in it. We all stood there mostly silent, if I didn't feel like starting work straight away I'd chirp up for a 30-40 minute discussion of that day's subject matter.

When Rio Tinto, with permission, blew up the caves full of Aboriginal art, BHP had permission to do almost the same thing. They quietly shelved it and then virtue signalled off the back of Rio's bollocking.

Big miners backing The Voice hard, not because they believed in it but because they have to negotiate with them to access the land for mining.

 

[carndapies]

Sam Newman is a mean spirited racist old gronk.
Basic rule of thumb with him is that if you’re on the same side of whatever it is he’s arguing, you’re generally on the wrong side.

Casual racism is only fun for those who who haven’t experienced it their entire lives, and the idea that people who have copped it their entire life for being different should just lighten up is a broken way of thinking.
I guess victims of sexual assault should laugh at jokes about abuse too?

Getting back to my point though, it’s humorous to me that my parents generation can’t see an Asian person without pointing them out or making some sort of racist quip about them “being here”, and also have such distaste for having to acknowledge anyone who is different(gender, sexual orientation, race)or lives their life differently to how they do… but have a real issue with someone wearing a hat inside or having their elbows on the table, because that’s “poor manners”.

Racism/ignorance = totally fine.
Hat inside/elbows on the table = really poor bahaviour

Extremely poor comment.

Racism and sexual assault are completely separate issues and trying to conflate them as to draw comparisons to strengthen your opinion is low.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

I'd expect everything his boss Mr Murdoch tells him is

Define a woman for us.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

There wasn't a backlash 30 years ago when nobody celebrated Australia day. Only been a public holiday since 1994.

This is what happens with group think. Someone posts something that's so wrong it's not even close but they get likes for it anyway.

 

[parsons nose]

Interesting categorisation of Boomers as racist

Making sweeping generalisations about a specific cohort of people is a no-no*.

*Except boomers.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Extremely poor comment.

Racism and sexual assault are completely separate issues and trying to conflate them as to draw comparisons to strengthen your opinion is low.

It’s not a poor comment unless you’ve not thought it through.

It was a specific response to someone saying that people should just find the joke with casual racism…giving no thought to how even casual racism can be taken by those who have lived experiences with racism over their life.

Do we expect the same of others who’ve experienced a different type of trauma?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Sam Newman is not funny. Interesting categorisation of Boomers as racist. Born in 59. every one of my elder brothers friends were Gough loving, anti war. Wayne Lynch was a antihero. One brother married to a girl from Mexico, the other brother a girl from Japan. I lived in Japan and studied it for 5, 6 years. I can insult you in Osaka benなに 行っとるの。。。トロイ事 イットて あかん ぞ
My Thai was good too. Taught Jap, Mandarin. Indo, Spanish at high school.
1970s, 80s travelling SE Asia, India, Australia Perth, Kimberley, Darwin, Cairns in kombis. broadening minds. Lived and worked for a year in NW WA. Watching local boys kick footies bare foot. Had a friend from Melb who worked in Yalata too. Had the chance to get up to Maralinga. Sub zero nights, cold AF. Friend of the missus spent a lot of time living and working in Alice Springs too.

Footscray market for Vietnamese food, everyone loved it. The missus loves Pho, Banh mi for me. A bit of smack if you were chasing.

I met a lot of gay people.(not counting the Christian Brothers) Running cafes in St Kilda where my missus worked. Gay school friend of the missus who was on the hippy trail too. And my last surf trip to Indo 3 of us, one was with a gay, surfer, pothead. Who Overlanded to Darwin & fly to Timor in 73.

RSL ~ first time ever for a private function this year. .

Oh I’m sure that not all boomers are racist relics, but I was making a point about the ones like Newman who are.

 

[Granit1962]

All over the world, woke is losing money. If the AFL is profitable, it isn't because they are woke, but in spite of it. Bud Light lost literally billions of dollars in the USA. There was an immediate backlash to the Pubs here in Australia not celebrating Australia day (and then many of them backflipped). The public have hated this stuff for a while now, but the institutions still cling to it, like it's 2019. I'd say everyone on the political right hates it, 90% on the moderate left hate it, but are too cowardly to call it out, and only the extreme left push it mainly to signal how "tolerant" they are.

Woke used to mean alert to social injustice, but words migrate over time. It's now used by people not to push a certain cause but to signal how good a person "they" are. How virtuous "they" are. It's about the person, rather than the cause. If you are normal you care about the issue; if you are woke, you tell everybody that you care about the issue - that's the difference

It's pretty much dying, it just depends how longer the institutions hang on to it, before they "read the room". Boeing just disbanded their D.E.I department last month and are now just focusing on merit. Lots of others are doing it too.

Rather well put for an Essendon supporter.

Often woke causes start off well intentioned, the train however has gone way past the station, veered off into tangents. Now the train appears to be slowing down.

 

[Dan26]

 

[Roddy]

Never, ever, ever take seriously anyone who unironically uses the word 'woke'.

 

[Stottzy]

There wasn't a backlash 30 years ago when nobody celebrated Australia day. Only been a public holiday since 1994.

It wasn't celebrated or cared about to this exstent pre John Howard. Fact.

 

[Bostonian]

The word woke has now evolved.

Like many words do.

Now woke can refer to utterly ludicrous and caricature like people who are found on the left of the political spectrum.

That's the most common form of the use of the word these days.

 

[carndapies]

It’s not a poor comment unless you’ve not thought it through.

It was a specific response to someone saying that people should just find the joke with casual racism…giving no thought to how even casual racism can be taken by those who have lived experiences with racism over their life.

Do we expect the same of others who’ve experienced a different type of trauma?

I believe it is you who has not thought it through.

Yes trauma is not the same across separate instances. Using your own example of sexual assault, rape is a far greater trauma than being called a name that hurts your feelings.

 

[SSwans2011]

Now woke can refer to utterly ludicrous and caricature like people who are found on the left of the political spectrum.

You really gave an utterly meaningless definition while trying to define the word, huh?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

So…

It’s hard to get someone to vote FOR you….
It’s easier to get someone to vote AGAINST the other “side”…..?

I think so.

I mean let's be honest, after 4 years in government you're going to f**k a lot of shit up, you're going to break a lot of promises, you're going to leave a bunch of people worse off, you're going to have scandals and even when you do some things well - you won't please everyone.

So it's really hard to win elections on merit.

That's why the opposition spend their entire existence flinging shit at the government. It's been decades since an opposition campaigned on what they would do differently and better - it's all about how much the government suck.

And it works. So governments now don't even bother talking about the good stuff they've done, cause it pretty much falls on deaf ears - and instead fling shit at the opposition.

 

[Bostonian]

You really gave an utterly meaningless definition while trying to define the word, huh?

No, I gave the definition it now represents.

Why did that trigger you?

 

[Bostonian]

The funniest thing is that there's people here who thinks it's only the right using the term now to mock the looney left.

The centre uses it, the old school liberal types are even starting to use it.

The weirdo element of the left really are great at bringing all kinds of people together to oppose their weirdo ways.

 

[tora tora tora]

Mick Warner writing the lofty lid lifting investigation "Boys Club in 2021. I recall Warner's "the Rise and Fall of Dan Andrews" for the Herald Sun in 2022. Which the paper Australia's most distrusted media brand.

the Rise and Fall of Mick Warner

 

[SSwans2011]

No, I gave the definition it now represents.

Why did that trigger you?

Using the word "trigger" and phrases like "looney left" while talking about caricatures, think you might be projecting bud.