Michael Warners article 04/12/24. How woke and hypocritical the afl has become.

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For me, the main problem is the abundance of gambling advertisements which ultimately targets children and families, whom remain the primary audience for AFLs 'product'.

Businesses will tend to embrace forms of progressivism that don't threaten their bottom line, because doing so effectively defuses the left as a threat to the real goals of maximising profit by e.g. lobbying for favourable taxation structures and loopholes, undermining worker conditions, anti-competitive behaviour, regulatory capture, etc. The right is already more-or-less onboard with the idea of letting capital do whatever it likes, so there's little need to actively pander in that direction, just take care not to transgress the sacred symbols and you'll be fine: Australia Day, Captain Cook, Jesus, the ANZACs, etc. If a few "woke" gestures help to placate the kinds of folks who might otherwise be inclined to take a more critical view of the material practices of e.g. Colesworth, Qantas, Rio Tinto, the AFL, etc. then that's a small price to pay.
 
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There wasn't a backlash when pubs didn't celebrate Australia Day 30 years ago

It just staggers me that regular people get drawn into this culture war shit.

Like how little has to be going on in your head for you to be sucked into this shit while the people stoking it sit back and drown themselves in your money.
 
If anyone can post the link I would appreciate it.
Probably i may be wrong the first journalist to take the afl on. In regards to this subject.
Afl hypocrisy in era of identity politics is turning fans against one another
Persistent more then that is required welcome to country ceremonies, Pride rounds, knee dropping, race baiting dosent unite Australians but creates a growing level of resentment turning us against each other
Footballs capture by the woke movement has always reeked of hypocrisy
Your thoughts guys? maybe I am old fashioned but sports organisations should just stick to the best interest of the game, and growing
You're a Collingwood supporter ? Ever leave the MCG? Gifted a fixture year in year out. Softcos wins a brownlow? what a joke. Joke of an ex prez. I loathe you and your umpire loving club. Stealing Hafey, Cloke, McRae & Leppitch.? c**ts

Geebung Polo club gifted finals year in year out with. 50 games at GBH stadium. Chuck in Hocking and his f**n stand rule, AA team basically meaning ya just have to play for Geelong.

Carlscum. never wash off that Elliot cheating stench. Chris f**n Judd. Still disgusted.

Essadon ~ jesus the dopers of Windy Hill ...joke of club, Dildoro, Sheedy being rooted even. Karma for f**ing us over during the drought.

North? are they still here? Won a AFLW flag wow.

Dogs? Old man Librtatore? what a c**t. psycho coach chronically underperform

The aints? LOL. Dwarf burning jokers

Dees? cocaine sniffing, Mt Buller in the rangey. Gary Lying in the media........... Puke

Dress up as Bin Laden ~ GWS finally newsworthy

Eagles~ Cuz, Mainwarring, Kerr. Shouldda taken the flags off em.

Adelaide? 2017 flag loss still recovering.

Hawthorn eh? "Clarko's cluster" cheating c**t. Wasting Norths money.

Northern clubs ~ waste a $50 mill each year.

welcome to free kick country ~ what I'm waiting for.
 
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Warner makes some good points on most occasions, it's obvious though he wants to bring down the afl, which I don't mind them getting held to account by someone. I enjoy how he calls out Goyder for being bloody useless, which he is.
 
There wasn't a backlash when pubs didn't celebrate Australia Day 30 years ago

I get your point. A normal pub is open on Australia day just like any other day so why is this an issue? Well, it shouldn't be an issue. But it becomes an issue because the pubs themselves, in an act of pure stupidity decided to issue a press release saying they wouldn't be celebrating Australia day. What is the point of saying this, other than to virtue signal? They could have just shut their mouths and no one would have cared what they did on Australia day. But like the woke fools they are, they opened their mouth to signal how out of touch they think the vast majority of Australians are, and all of a sudden, they created a pointless controversy.
 
Using an internet forum is woke

Bring back the days when we discussed things in the pub instead
Back in the good old days Ian Botham and Ian Chappell would threaten to glass each other in a pub when they were having a beef, these days they're both so woke that they go on an Eddie McGuire show and talk shit to each other instead.
 
I get your point. A normal pub is open on Australia day just like any other day so why is this an issue? Well, it shouldn't be an issue. But it becomes an issue because the pubs themselves, in an act of pure stupidity decided to issue a press release saying they wouldn't be celebrating Australia day. What is the point of saying this, other than to virtue signal? They could have just shut their mouths and no one would have cared what they did on Australia day. But like the woke fools they are, they opened their mouth to signal how out of touch they think the vast majority of Australians are, and all of a sudden, they created a pointless controversy.

They didn’t issue a press release.

They own 200 venues and they notified the venues of the move.

Of course, News Ltd and their political partners found it and leapt onto it with glee, because “anti woke!!” is their platform. They have their feelers out everywhere for this stuff because it is their mission.

They will take any and every opportunity to manufacture a culture war “controversy” that doesn’t actually exist.

It’s done to completely capture media discourse so that there’s little coverage of what the corporate-media-political nexus does that truly impacts people.

It’s all a very straightforward strategy and they’ve been doing it for decades. Somehow it still works on some people.
 
They didn’t issue a press release.

They own 200 venues and they notified the venues of the move.

Of course, News Ltd and their political partners found it and leapt onto it with glee, because “anti woke!!” is their platform. They have their feelers out everywhere for this stuff because it is their mission.

They will take any and every opportunity to manufacture a culture war “controversy” that doesn’t actually exist.

It’s done to completely capture media discourse so that there’s little coverage of what the corporate-media-political nexus does that truly impacts people.

It’s all a very straightforward strategy and they’ve been doing it for decades. Somehow it still works on some people.

Well it got out to the public as it was always going to. They didn't need to "notify" any venue of anything if they were just going to continue to serve as normal on Australia day. Why would they do this other than to virtue signal? What is the purpose? The culture stuff is important (and it DOES exist, that's why it gets such a strong reaction) because politics is downstream from it. If you lose the culture war, you lose the politics. The hard left pushed this crap for 30 years and look how divided it became. The woke stuff has been out-of-taste for everyone for a couple of years now and the public have been two steps ahead of the institutions. The woke stuff is outdated, un-cool, divisive and allows those that push it to be mean and cruel armed with false virtue. We will look back at the early 2020's thirty years from now and wonder what the hell we were thinking. It seems to be dying the death it deserves, and you should embrace that.
 
Well it got out to the public as it was always going to. They didn't need to "notify" any venue of anything if they were just going to continue to serve as normal on Australia day. Why would they do this other than to virtue signal? What is the purpose? The culture stuff is important (and it DOES exist, that's why it gets such a strong reaction) because politics is downstream from it. If you lose the culture war, you lose the politics. The hard left pushed this crap for 30 years and look how divided it became. The woke stuff has been out-of-taste for everyone for a couple of years now and the public have been two steps ahead of the institutions. The woke stuff is outdated, un-cool, divisive and allows those that push it to be mean and cruel armed with false virtue. We will look back at the early 2020's thirty years from now and wonder what the hell we were thinking. It seems to be dying the death it deserves, and you should embrace that.
virtue signal ✔
culture war ✔
the hard left ✔
cruel ✔
the woke stuff ✔
everyone ✔

It's like a 3AW/H-Sun bingo card, all in one post.
 

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virtue signal ✔
culture war ✔
the hard left ✔
cruel ✔
the woke stuff ✔
everyone ✔

It's like a 3AW/H-Sun bingo card, all in one post.

In in typical fashion of the modern left, you don't attempt to argue any of it. I suspect you agree with everything I've written, but have taken the tribal position of pretending to disagree (what would any sensible person disagree with?). I'm convinced the most of the left hate the woke stuff also, but because of the tribal, collectivist nature of the left hivemind, most don't want to speak up. It's been good to see some left-wing voices overseas call it out like Bill Maher and Jon Stewart but most are still stuck in the tribal hivemind. This shouldn't be a partisan issue.
 
Well, in America "woke" means that you tend to be against school mass shootings.

Australia? I've got no idea either.

It's all one big smashed together, all encompassing clump of issues apparently.

Basically, pro-equality = woke, pro-diversity = woke, pro-LGBTQ = woke, pro-climate change science = woke, and being critical of those who are anti those things = woke.

Of course there is not a lot that can really be challenged about these things as issues in general, so they have to find the more extreme outlying issues to use as flagships.

Biological men in women's sports. Trans persons in non-biological bathrooms. Cultural sensitivities like changing the date of Australia Day. Made up outrage such as the war on Christmas, the war on white Christians, the war on religion.

All of those get a good run.

Yes, there is virtue signalling. Usually corporations who jump on a cause to look like good citizens when they probably don't care. But everyone else who does care about these things is labelled with this too.

You'll be hard pressed to find a good explanation of what woke is, and those that fit their definition will be so few, that the manufactured outrage they've been brainwashed by, will be apparent immediately.

The contention that we don't really believe in what we think is a new one. I believe they believe in what they think. I just think they're using it to mask bigotry. Those who are genuine and aren't bigoted, have certainly chosen to throw their lot in with some truly evil people. A lot of solidarity there.
 
In in typical fashion of the modern left, you don't attempt to argue any of it. I suspect you agree with everything I've written, but have taken the tribal position of pretending to disagree (what would any sensible person disagree with?). I'm convinced the most of the left hate the woke stuff also, but because of the tribal, collectivist nature of the left hivemind, most don't want to speak up. It's been good to see some left-wing voices overseas call it out like Bill Maher and Jon Stewart but most are still stuck in the tribal hivemind. This shouldn't be a partisan issue.
You do realise that there's not actually a 'left' and a 'right' yeah?
 
You're a Collingwood supporter ? Ever leave the MCG? Gifted a fixture year in year out. Softcos wins a brownlow? what a joke. Joke of an ex prez. I loathe you and your umpire loving club. Stealing Hafey, Cloke, McRae & Leppitch.? c**ts

Geebung Polo club gifted finals year in year out with. 50 games at GBH stadium. Chuck in Hocking and his f**n stand rule, AA team basically meaning ya just have to play for Geelong.

Carlscum. never wash off that Elliot cheating stench. Chris f**n Judd. Still disgusted.

Essadon ~ jesus the dopers of Windy Hill ...joke of club, Dildoro, Sheedy being rooted even. Karma for f**ing us over during the drought.

North? are they still here? Won a AFLW flag wow.

Dogs? Old man Librtatore? what a c**t. psycho coach chronically underperform

The aints? LOL. Dwarf burning jokers

Dees? cocaine sniffing, Mt Buller in the rangey. Gary Lying in the media........... Puke

Dress up as Bin Laden ~ GWS finally newsworthy

Eagles~ Cuz, Mainwarring, Kerr. Shouldda taken the flags off em.

Adelaide? 2017 flag loss still recovering.

Hawthorn eh? "Clarko's cluster" cheating c**t. Wasting Norths money.

Northern clubs ~ waste a $50 mill each year.

welcome to free kick country ~ what I'm waiting for.
this RFC communist ~ mad respect for Fitzroys adoption of La Marseille. Love going to Brizzy now and sing the French lyrics. Mao's Little Red Book in pocket to read at half time.
I lament the French not getting here first.
 
In in typical fashion of the modern left, you don't attempt to argue any of it. I suspect you agree with everything I've written, but have taken the tribal position of pretending to disagree (what would any sensible person disagree with?). I'm convinced the most of the left hate the woke stuff also, but because of the tribal, collectivist nature of the left hivemind, most don't want to speak up. It's been good to see some left-wing voices overseas call it out like Bill Maher and Jon Stewart but most are still stuck in the tribal hivemind. This shouldn't be a partisan issue.
"The Left" is also Herald Sun/3AW territory which is used as the "boogie man" to scare Boomers

I'm not entirely sure what the Left now entails but I think it means anyone who doesn't vote Liberal
 
Those who are genuine and aren't bigoted, have certainly chosen to throw their lot in with some truly evil people. A lot of solidarity there.
I actually think politics all boils down to this.

You have your rusted on supporters of a party. These people are just beyond weird. They fall into line and support everything their party says and does - regardless of whether they actually believe in it. In most cases, they don't have any actual beliefs of their own. These people exist on both sides. And frankly, they're f***ing morons.

Then there's the rest of us. We don't like either political party, and certainly don't follow their lead on issues. We don't believe in most of what either side says or does.

My theory, is that we vote for the party aligned to side that has the least offensive extreme idealogies and views to us.

That means that myself for example, will side with the 'left' not because I'm Team Left all the way and fall into line with their views - but because I find the far side of the Right so horribly offensive and grotesque.

I have friends however, that finds the far Left's position on stuff to be more offensive and confronting to them.

They hate the Lefties more than they hate the stuff coming from the far right. They don't like the stuff coming from the far right, and don't agree with it - but they hate and fear it less than what the far left is bringing to the table.

FWIW, it's usually straight, older white people that are this category. The far Left's views are seen as a direct threat to them, whilst the far right's views whilst abhorrent - in the end wouldn't really hurt them directly.

The job of Sky News and the Herald-Sun and now the Joe Rogans of the world is to paint the Left as more dangerous and abhorrent than its equivalent on the right.

To make being nice to people seem more dangerous than being an arse hole to people. In the US they've managed to succeed, and they're trying real hard here too.

Hence this thread even existing.
 
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In in typical fashion of the modern left, you don't attempt to argue any of it. I suspect you agree with everything I've written, but have taken the tribal position of pretending to disagree (what would any sensible person disagree with?). I'm convinced the most of the left hate the woke stuff also, but because of the tribal, collectivist nature of the left hivemind, most don't want to speak up. It's been good to see some left-wing voices overseas call it out like Bill Maher and Jon Stewart but most are still stuck in the tribal hivemind. This shouldn't be a partisan issue.
what is there to even argue against? your posts are nothing but a collection of buzz words.
 
this RFC communist ~ mad respect for Fitzroys adoption of La Marseille. Love going to Brizzy now and sing the French lyrics. Mao's Little Red Book in pocket to read at half time.
I lament the French not getting here first.
No Atlas Shrugged for you I suspect
 

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