Mick Malthouse demands Sydney help end now

[MickyG]

Sour grapes? Do you think it might have to do with the amount of money you've thrown at players in the last 18 months?
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Every other club in the comp bar GC and GWS have had to either draft in or trade for their players under the umbrella of equality. ....

No other club is afforded that luxury, so why should Sydney be?

Tippetts getting paid about the same as he would at Adelaide. Buddy the same as GWS (but for a lot longer).

Equality - Wrong. Being in Melbourne is cheaper - advantage to Melbourne clubs. Recruiting players who grew up in Victoria - advantage to Melbourne clubs. I don't see equality. I see disadvantage to non AFL state teams.

 

[MickyG]

I suggest you get on a plane and come to wa

Sydney has very few FIFO workers ....sorry that's fly I fly out in case you don't know

Our fuel prices are the highest in Australia

I suggest you look at a map and see how isolated Perth is ....most isolated capital city on the world

Everything has to be transported here ....like food

Food here is the most expensive in the country

Our land taxes are higher than anywhere .....LAND TAXES, CAR TAX.

Rent is only part of living and yes that might be more in Sydney but I know for a fact everything else in wa is more expensive than Sydney

I have friends who moved from Sydney to wa and say Perth is way more expose dive to live iN....

I would suggest once agains another swans fan who has no idea and just making up crap excuses

You team wins because the afl wants it to win..harsh comment yes ...truthful also ...

The swans are the AFLS PUPPETS

Lived in Perth for three years. Used to turn on the TV and guess who was in half the ads ........ Chris Judd. Not much work like that or for Visy for Swans players.

 

[msb77]

Mick is spot on, Sydney's salary cap advantages equate to cheating. If Carlton were breaching the cap by a million every year they wouldn't have another draft pick till 2020.

Absolute garbage, you would not be saying that had we not beaten you in 2012....your bitterness is just so tiresome hawks, but enjoyable at the same time.

 

[MickyG]

Honestly don't care how much it costs to live where. They all get paid well enough to afford it. COL is a non issue to AFL footballers.

Imagine you get a two year contract in a city that costs 15% more to live in. After two years you get a new offer and a competing one from your home town for the same money - which would you take? Now tell me you are going to renew where you've been for two years and why.

 

[MinerBoy]

Imagine you get a two year contract in a city that costs 15% to live in. After two years you get a new offer and a competing one from your home town for the same money - which would you take? Now tell me you are going to renew where you've been for two years and why.

Well for starters if you've done the first 2 years right, your next contract should be even more than your first one and if you have forged bonds and enjoy the club then it really is a lifestyle choice rather than one of money. I don't buy this 9.8% or 15% more cost to live. Even if bread, milk, petrol etc were all that much more, it is insignificant money to an AFL footballer. So in the end it comes down to property - which might cost more to buy in Sydney, but also sells for more when it gets sold.

 

[weirdtim]

Absolute garbage, you would not be saying that had we not beaten you in 2012....your bitterness is just so tiresome hawks, but enjoyable at the same time.

So what is it when a non-Hawk agrees completely? Oh let me guess, I must be bitter about Tippett... It can't be that non-Sydney fans maybe see things with more clarity than you people. I get it, you don't want to give up your unfair advantage. But stop ignoring the point of others with a wave of your hand because you think people are bitter. Hawthorn have won 10 premierships since 1971. Their fans are probably the lest bitter in the world.

 

[SterlingArcher]

Most of Adam goodes wage is payed by the afl .....he hard hardly gets any money from the cap

Franklin recieves massive payments from the afl for ambassador payments

I reckon the bloke who bloke plays full the bulldogs ....I think is name is Chong ...Asian guy who's done great to make it.

I don't reckon he would get an ambassador payment from the afl ....... In fact do know he wouldn't ....that's reserved for franklin and goodes who must happen to play for swans ....geez blow me down with a feather again ....third party deals ....Geelong were not allowed a third party deal to retain Ablett ......GCS ....no problems

The swans get an extra million per year in cap space ....roughly ......plus a ambassador payments ......plus a soft draw (they have never trvael to Perth twice in a season or nor do they travel do they trvael twice to Adelaide in a season)

They get gws twice every year, they get Brisbane lions twice every year

I mean what a ruddy joke

Let's just hand them the cup.

His name is Lin Jong and the fact that you do not even know how to spell his name is more than likely the reason he is not an ambassador, not the fact he plays for the Dogs.

Ambassadors have to be recognizable personalities who can grow the game - clearly Lin 'Chong' is not recognizeable enough.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I get it, you don't want to give up your unfair advantage. .

I'll bite.

Actually, most Swans fans are OK with giving up the CoLA.

But they also know it never gave us an "unfair advantage" and find it hilarious that it wasn't an issue till we won in 2012 with a team of plodders.

And they also know that CoLA had nothing to do with signing Tippett and Franklin. The maths has been explained here so many times, it's getting boring.

And they also know it was only ever something that all the other clubs agreed to.

So this is all just so much faux outrage.

So yes, OK with giving up the CoLA.

BUT, they also know that players in the southern states, particularly Vic, enjoy all sorts of advantages, and that NSW and Qld clubs should have something in place to offset that. Maybe this rent assistance is a start.

Now all of you go for a walk and stop getting so hot under the collar.

 

[MickyG]

Well for starters if you've done the first 2 years right, your next contract should be even more than your first one and if you have forged bonds and enjoy the club then it really is a lifestyle choice rather than one of money. I don't buy this 9.8% or 15% more cost to live. Even if bread, milk, petrol etc were all that much more, it is insignificant money to an AFL footballer. So in the end it comes down to property - which might cost more to buy in Sydney, but also sells for more when it gets sold.

You are correct, it comes down to property.

In previous threads my suggestion for its replacement has been a relocation allowance. Pay it for the first five five years to those who move more than 100km from their family and stay with the one club. (It would therefore apply to those moving from country Victoria to Melbourne.) Pay it based on the rents in that city and outside the cap.

 

[BLue_Bloys]

Imagine you get a two year contract in a city that costs 15% more to live in. After two years you get a new offer and a competing one from your home town for the same money - which would you take? Now tell me you are going to renew where you've been for two years and why.

Which is why the AFL will offset any property inequalities to those earning less than average AFL salary (I believe somewhere around $250k?).

Outside of property, the argument about increased costs associated with living in Sydney is laughable. I have colleagues who have recently relocated from Melbourne to Sydney, would be earning between $80-150k and they're doing fine, one even purchased a pretty expensive apartment near the beach in Coogee. Should we be giving players living in Perth an offset because their food and coffee costs more now that the state has a mining boom?

 

[Randy Campbell]

Absolute garbage, you would not be saying that had we not beaten you in 2012....your bitterness is just so tiresome hawks, but enjoyable at the same time.

I am not bitter.
I see it as a win, because to be equal with my club the Swans need extra help.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Same goes for the wonderful Swannies. Best of luck in September.

no

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

no

You're all class, pal.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

You're all class, pal.

You're team was put together with an extra $1 million. Fact.

This rental assistance is just another disgrace by the AFL.

All salary cap concessions must be completely eliminated for all teams of course the only teams to have them are $wans and GWS. How the other clubs give a tick to free agency with such a flawed salary cap is beyond me. It must end now.

Then they should lose the extra millions in ambassador payments to Goodes and Jack and any players coming through the $wans academy should be available to all clubs or at least a bidding system like father son picks.

 

[theta]

hurrrrr durrrrrrr

rabble rabble rabble

Keep it up EVERYONE, both for and against, you are doing BigFooty proud.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You're team was put together with an extra $1 million. Fact.

This rental assistance is just another disgrace by the AFL.

All salary cap concessions must be completely eliminated for all teams of course the only teams to have them are $wans and GWS. How the other clubs give a tick to free agency with such a flawed salary cap is beyond me. It must end now.

Then they should lose the extra millions in ambassador payments to Goodes and Jack and any players coming through the $wans academy should be available to all clubs or at least a bidding system like father son picks.

Your team has had all sorts of favourable concessions in the past. Fact.

We could play this all day.

No-one ever pretended the comp is fair down to the microbial level. There will always be compromises. But what do you propose? Should we go back to a parochial suburban comp played out at windswept mudbaths with overflowing toilets, between two teams from facing pages of the Melways?

 

[SpeciousArgument]

I hear this AFL State/non AFL state BS a lot, has anyone actually done an analysis of how many AFL players come from NSW/QLD compared to WA/SA/VIC? Also make sure to account for the number of neutral players (NT, TAS) that dont have 'go home factor' because they dont have an AFL team to go home to.

What sydney DOES have is the 'not fishbowl' factor and the anonymity of AFL players there which landed you a few average players like Tippett Franklin and Lockett to name just a few

Crows lost Gunstone because he didnt like Adelaide, lost Tippett because he was 'born in sydney'.

NEWSFLASH - Not every player playing for a team in Melbourne was born in Melbourne, nor players in the south australian teams born in Adelaide, or players in WA teams born in WA.

I dont see any Sydney supporters suggesting Crows/Poower get an allownace because as everyone in the eastern states is so quick to tell you, Adelaide is a shit place to live. What I see is Sydney supporters wanting to be the only ones getting an advantage over everyone else.

Why not try doing what everyone else does, attract a player because of your facilities, your culture, your coaches, your prospects for the future, the lifestyle, not just because you can pay them more.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

Imagine you get a two year contract in a city that costs 15% more to live in. After two years you get a new offer and a competing one from your home town for the same money - which would you take? Now tell me you are going to renew where you've been for two years and why.

This affects EVERY club, not just yours, i dont get why you dont see it.

 

[MarkT2]

Your team has had all sorts of favourable concessions in the past. Fact.

We could play this all day.

No-one ever pretended the comp is fair down to the microbial level. There will always be compromises. But what do you propose? Should we go back to a parochial suburban comp played out at windswept mudbaths with overflowing toilets, between two teams from facing pages of the Melways?

Can we drink beer from cans for a reasonable price?

 

[FuManchu]

Because the TV market in Perth does not have the potential growth of the NSW market.

We all know why they bolster up Sydney, but the consistency of their argument is flawed.

 

[Randy Campbell]

We all know why they bolster up Sydney, but the consistency of their argument is flawed.

The truth does hurt.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Can we drink beer from cans for a reasonable price?

Good point. The clincher, possibly.

 

[TooUglyForFugly]

So what is it when a non-Hawk agrees completely? Oh let me guess, I must be bitter about Tippett... It can't be that non-Sydney fans maybe see things with more clarity than you people. I get it, you don't want to give up your unfair advantage. But stop ignoring the point of others with a wave of your hand because you think people are bitter. Hawthorn have won 10 premierships since 1971. Their fans are probably the lest bitter in the world.

The rest of us ... well, must be racist or something.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The truth does hurt.

Not exactly sure who you're referring to. Certainly, with a few notable exceptions, most of the Sydney postings here have been pretty measured.

 

[Tuco]

Exactly.

They want to trade players in, but they should never lose a player.

Fantasy land, that up until now has been somewhat reality.

We should never lose a player and never do lose players? Mumford, Everitt, Lamb say hello.

Prior to that we'd offer up our 'spuds' like Jude Bolton and no one would even bite at the trade table. Fine with me. Not our fault if our list has been perennially underrated.