Opinion Mick Malthouse

What is the next move on Mick?

  • Sack him immediately; replacement coach to see out the year.

    Votes: 192 48.9%

  • Let him coach out the year then show him the door.

    Votes: 70 17.8%

  • Sign him now to give coaches and players some direction.

    Votes: 81 20.6%

  • Not sure yet... still too angry to think clearly.

    Votes: 50 12.7%
  • Total voters
    393
  • Poll closed .

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The Old Dark Navy's said:
Hypothetically, if they get a 1st rounder for Dangerfield, they will have 2 first rounders, one after the other, probably around the 12-14 range. I'd take both those for Gibbs if forced to. One pick around 12 and a 8 spot upgrade on our third rounder doesn't do much for us.
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Personally, I couldnt see the Crows giving up 2 first rounders for Gibbs. For starters as we are into Aish in a big way we will be definitely needing to use one of those picks to secure him via a trade with the Lions. If Dangerfield stays then we definitely will not be having any bargaining chips to negotiate a trade for Gibbs.

I think the point is moot though, Gibbs has settled in Victoria and he has to approve the trade given he is in contract so he is more than likely be wanting to go to a Victorian Club.
 

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GROTTO said:
Personally, I couldnt see the Crows giving up 2 first rounders for Gibbs. For starters as we are into Aish in a big way we will be definitely needing to use one of those picks to secure him via a trade with the Lions. If Dangerfield stays then we definitely will not be having any bargaining chips to negotiate a trade for Gibbs.

I think the point is moot though, Gibbs has settled in Victoria and he has to approve the trade given he is in contract so he is more than likely be wanting to go to a Victorian Club.
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Please explain ??
 
The Old Dark Navy's said:
Hypothetically, if they get a 1st rounder for Dangerfield, they will have 2 first rounders, one after the other, probably around the 12-14 range. I'd take both those for Gibbs if forced to. One pick around 12 and a 8 spot upgrade on our third rounder doesn't do much for us.
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Now your talking ...
Trade Murphy for another first rounder as well .
That's 3 first rounders in plus our own .
Happy birthday SOS , that's 4 first rounders ... Now rebuild this bloody list !!
 
Red Bull said:
That's the best part ...

Adelaide will get a first round compensation pick for Danger .

We'll take that plus a swap of our third round pick for their second round pick . They will finish higher than us so it won't be a huge upgrade but an upgrade into another second rounder none the less .

Adelaide will think they are in flag contention , losing Danger changes this , gaining Gibbs keeps them there .
Adelaide love Gibbs ... they will deal , they have to while their windows open .
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1. Gibbs is contracted and likes living in Melbourne. He may not want to go.

2. We need Gibbs more than we need pick 13 and 32 (or whatever) we would get from Adelaide, as without Gibbs we have nobody to mould the kids. He was our best player last weekend FFS.
 
Red Bull said:
Nobody's going anywhere , we love all the boys !!
Our ladder position and current list are nothing to protect ...
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Do you really, REALLY, believe that Carlton is going to trade our Captain and Vice Captain/2014 B&F winner based on two games? Like do you HONESTLY believe that?
 
I'd trade Murph or Gibbs for a decent KPP any day of the week. Clubs not going to though.
 
We were all singing Gibbs' praises last year when he won the B&F. He's not performing to his own standards at the moment but he's probably carrying some sort of niggle (not that that is an excuse but I'm just saying) and the whole team's output is down. Trading him now is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater--you should never go full Melbourne rebuild.
 

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Are people here really serious about trading Gibbs?

He won your best and fairest last year. He genuinely had a fantastic season.

I haven't studied your first two games as intricately as you guys would have and I know the general consensus has been that he's started the season poorly...but to the point of trading him straight off a best and fairest after two rounds?

This is probably a bit off topic given that the thread is about Malthouse, so I'll link it somewhat and say I'd be stunned if any of the brains trust at Carlton would consider it.
 
MEB_ said:
You guysh as if we're going to trade Gibbs and Murph.
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Of course we're not going to trade them. However, they are getting older and while independently they are classy midfielders, they have not exactly been the types to lift when we are facing adversity and say to the rest of the team 'follow me', as Judd has. If all of our leaders don't take responsibility through their actions rather than post match words, the rest of the team will wallow in mediocrity. We are terribly inconsistent, previously from game to game, now from quarter to quarter. We fold like a pack of cards under pressure and this can only be stemmed by leadership and inspirational deeds AND physically standing up for one another. If our leadership group can't do that, we have to get players who will.

At some point we have to wonder if our gun players are also our inspirational players or they tend to skate by on talent alone. We've discussed Menzel before MEB and I agree he does show the hallmarks of only working as hard as he needs to be stay in the side, thus not reaching his true potential unless challenged by a system that brings out his best.

We should only commit to guaranteeing the futures of players who put it all on the line, on field and off.
 
The Old Dark Navy's said:
Of course we're not going to trade them. However, they are getting older and while independently they are classy midfielders, they have not exactly been the types to lift when we are facing adversity and say to the rest of the team 'follow me', as Judd has. If all of our leaders don't take responsibility through their actions rather than post match words, the rest of the team will wallow in mediocrity. We are terribly inconsistent, previously from game to game, now from quarter to quarter. We fold like a pack of cards under pressure and this can only be stemmed by leadership and inspirational deeds AND physically standing up for one another. If our leadership group can't do that, we have to get players who will.

At some point we have to wonder if our gun players are also our inspirational players or they tend to skate by on talent alone. We've discussed Menzel before MEB and I agree he does show the hallmarks of only working as hard as he needs to be stay in the side, thus not reaching his true potential unless challenged by a system that brings out his best.

We should only commit to guaranteeing the futures of players who put it all on the line, on field and off.
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I agree with you ODN, you know attitude is the most important quality to me, but it's just not going to happen. Gibbs and Murph need a wakeup call, but trading them would be doom.
 
MEB_ said:
We were all singing Gibbs' praises last year when he won the B&F. He's not performing to his own standards at the moment but he's probably carrying some sort of niggle (not that that is an excuse but I'm just saying) and the whole team's output is down. Trading him now is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater--you should never go full Melbourne rebuild.
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The thing about Bryce is he has been thought of as an underachiever for much of his career, and then last year happened. It clicked finally. Let me partly quote that wise sage Will Smith .... FROM NOW ON ... THAT'S HOW YOU PLAY!

Gibbs was okay against West Coast, 12 tackles showed he gave a yelp. His disposal has been ordinary in the first two games. He did this a fair bit before last year. Statistically decent but there are stats and there are stats. It wasn't the stats that fulfilled his potential last year. It was the effort. He drove the agenda, he didn't merely follow it. In the first two rounds this year, it seems that he is not leading through deeds, but just performing his role. It's an intangible. He really looked the part last year, to the point where he looked like a captain. We don't want him accumulating where we go 'oh did he get that much ball, I don't remember much of it.' We want to know he is out there, creating, supporting, encouraging, showing some passion.
 
MEB_ said:
I agree with you ODN, you know attitude is the most important quality to me, but it's just not going to happen. Gibbs and Murph need a wakeup call, but trading them would be doom.
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A wake up call ??
The captain and vice captain at 26&27 years of age ??
Please ...
They aren't the types to take us into a new era .
As Kenny Rogers sang ... You gotta know when to hold em , know when to fold em !!
 
serenityNow said:
Unbelievable. People actually suggesting trading Gibbs?

Won the B&F last year and is only 2 games into 2015 FFS.
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They are just expressing frustration that he might have slipped back into the old Gibbs mode, get lots of ball but no show a lot of intensity. He can't slip back on the back of one genuinely great season.
 
Red Bull said:
A wake up call ??
The captain and vice captain at 26&27 years of age ??
Please ...
They aren't the types to take us into a new era .
As Kenny Rogers sang ... You gotta know when to fold em , know when to fold em !!
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Please, tell me more about trading out 2 of the most natural talents we have on our list, 2 of our most senior players. How did that work for Melbourne again? :drunk:

You can't have a whole team of 18-20 year olds who've played less than 50 games. Rather than losing by 10 goals we'll lose by 25. And then what happens? They all go running to clubs that actually win games, it's square one again, we sit here crying and wailing to "bring back Fev! Bring back Gibbs!....Hell, even bring back Robbo!"
 
MEB_ said:
Please, tell me more about trading out 2 of the most natural talents we have on our list, 2 of our most senior players. How did that work for Melbourne again? :drunk:

You can't have a whole team of 18-20 year olds who've played less than 50 games. Rather than losing by 10 goals we'll lose by 25. And then what happens? They all go running to clubs that actually win games, it's square one again, we sit here crying and wailing to "bring back Fev! Bring back Gibbs!....Hell, even bring back Robbo!"
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You have your ideas , if you're happy with the state of play at the CFC that's your problem .
I'd rather build a list that can challenge for a premiership ... 13th just don't cut it for me .
 
Red Bull said:
You have your ideas , if you're happy with the state of play at the CFC that's your problem .
I'd rather build a list that can challenge for a premiership ... 13th just don't cut it for me .
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When did I say I was happy with the state of play?

Tell me what you think trading 2 of our most senior players will achieve.
Where will the mentors to the younger kids come from?
How is making a snap judgement based on 2 weeks a good thing?
The revolving door of coaches has never worked for us, how is the revolving door of leaders going to be anything but a cluster**** of epic proportions?
 
Still playing devil's advocate here. Remember Gibbs stalled his contract signing so he could grill us on where we are heading as a club. They are the actions of a player who doesn't believe he has contributed to any of our problems. He needs to be a genuine inspirational leader whether he is having a dirty day stats wise or racking them up. Mick acknowledges our leaders through in the towel Friday night. You can't hold the club accountable if you do that. For the record I had him about my 5th or 6th best player, not BOG, but not a bad game either.
 
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