Millewa Football League 2006 - end of 2008

[sidelines]

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Had a look at the Bambill game on Saturday and all those who were bagging them for moving into the Sec College will have to eat their words. It is a brave move and one that will benefit the club and it was evident with the crowd numbers on Saturday.
Anyone heard any more about the recent recruiting done by Werimull. Trying to extend the list a bit I hear. Any worthwhile players heading out there?

 

[bigrig]

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Had a look at the Bambill game on Saturday and all those who were bagging them for moving into the Sec College will have to eat their words. It is a brave move and one that will benefit the club and it was evident with the crowd numbers on Saturday.
Anyone heard any more about the recent recruiting done by Werimull. Trying to extend the list a bit I hear. Any worthwhile players heading out there?

I think it is a gutsy but the correct move for the longivity of the club and league. As stated most of their players live and work in Mildura and from a personal prospective i would have loved to played them in town as it saves a 40 min drive to the lake plus you can have a function in town and catch a taxi home instead of taking a risk and driving home from the lake half tanked!!
Werrimull have been busy the last week or so and signed Matt Tarrant & Phil Gourlay. Tarrant is huge for them as Fowler leaves in a few weeks to take on a project in Cows for 4 months + but should be back for finals. The Gourlay one could be difficult as he has played in town the last 4 games and Werrimull have got half Merbein playing for them already!!

 

[ringo1]

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Could someone tell me if Salvatore Luciano Muscatello is playing for Bambill? If so is he getting a kick-must be at least 43

 

[rocket3]

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Could someone tell me if Salvatore Luciano Muscatello is playing for Bambill? If so is he getting a kick-must be at least 43

If he is there, someone must be kicking to him, because he wont go in and get it.

 

[pies007]

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rig there is no way merbein can keep phil.. he is almost a life member he owes them no money and hes not contracted.also he has only played ressis this yr and they havn't showed any intrest in him to play seniors.so when will you be ready big fella???thought i mite have seen you down at training by no 4 a bit of a look.. i recon a couple of the boys need a bit of work on there goal kicking.. get down there tomorrow nite mate

 

[bigrig]

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rig there is no way merbein can keep phil.. he is almost a life member he owes them no money and hes not contracted.also he has only played ressis this yr and they havn't showed any intrest in him to play seniors.so when will you be ready big fella???thought i mite have seen you down at training by no 4 a bit of a look.. i recon a couple of the boys need a bit of work on there goal kicking.. get down there tomorrow nite mate

Dont get me wrong 007 i was just referring that Merbein is struggling for numbers so the last thing they are going to do is just clear a player willy nilly regardless of these facts. For Werrimulls sake i hope they clear him tommorrow but cant see it happening.
Will not be down Thursday night anytime soon as retirement is frustrating enough without watching you guys run around. Will be watching a few selected games during the season but keeping a low profile. While ya got the foward line you have me being there or not will have little to with any result.
Whats going on with the megs is he injured or struggling to get into it? Heard Changa was senstational on the weekend? Handy pick up...........

 

[bigrig]

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Well there must have been a bye on the weekend for all teams as little response given about the weekends games.

Surely plenty to talk about with Bambill giving Werrimull a thumping & Nangiloc winning there first game & with Gol Gol continuing on there merry way??

Who is going to stop Bambill or Gol Gol as seems they have a strangle hold on playing off for the cup already so early in the season?

 

[rocket3]

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the problem is with all the money being thrown around from some clubs its starting to show.
Its not healthy for the league as it doesnt bring in punters.
The final 4 have picked themselves.
golly
Bam$bill
Werrimull
Cardy

Something seriously has to be done and Macca has got his hands full on about how to turn the league around from some clubs rapeing the system.

think about it...
Nangy might just say, its not worthwhile trying to keep up and crash again
followed by Meringur.
Euston cant get players so just become a reserves side for Robinvale

Bye MFL
someone need foresight to keep the league stable
Not just looking one year at a time

The one thing i admire about Cardross is they played through the tough times they had on and off the field and have come out the other side (i think) through hard work and not just by buying up players.

 

[deposit]

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the problem is with all the money being thrown around from some clubs its starting to show.
Its not healthy for the league as it doesnt bring in punters.
The final 4 have picked themselves.
golly
Bam$bill
Werrimull
Cardy

Something seriously has to be done and Macca has got his hands full on about how to turn the league around from some clubs rapeing the system.

think about it...
Nangy might just say, its not worthwhile trying to keep up and crash again
followed by Meringur.
Euston cant get players so just become a reserves side for Robinvale

Bye MFL
someone need foresight to keep the league stable
Not just looking one year at a time

The one thing i admire about Cardross is they played through the tough times they had on and off the field and have come out the other side (i think) through hard work and not just by buying up players.

Well said, however the greed of a couple of the clubs will end up sinking the MFL. You wont be able to tell Golly & Bambill to think about the longer term they have a mindset thet will see them looking at the short term as can be seen from the number of 'outside' players at both clubs.

As for the final 4 they might as well change it to a top three as Crady will go out in the first week afetr a spanking from the pies. The only real interest this year will be the games between Bambill & Golly. That will happen 5 times, still not sure who will get up the last time.

 

[Harry29]

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Well said, however the greed of a couple of the clubs will end up sinking the MFL. You wont be able to tell Golly & Bambill to think about the longer term they have a mindset thet will see them looking at the short term as can be seen from the number of 'outside' players at both clubs.

As for the final 4 they might as well change it to a top three as Crady will go out in the first week afetr a spanking from the pies. The only real interest this year will be the games between Bambill & Golly. That will happen 5 times, still not sure who will get up the last time.

Bank on Bambill winning by a fair margin! Played all three and at this stage they are a long way ahead of the rest as per the result on the weekend.

 

[rocket3]

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Well said, however the greed of a couple of the clubs will end up sinking the MFL. .

Its worth the debate.

You cant tell clubs not to go out and buy players to win games.
You have to make them, by setting rules
What rules, I dont know
I am not involved with the league admin.

A points system?

All systems can be abused but something has to be put into place.
Think back to the VFL in the 80s
Hawthorn, Essendon, Carlton were all just buying players from everywhere.
Souths and Fitzroy couldnt keep up.

The only way you can compete is to buy more players or even pay players who probably dont even deserve it.


All i know is you cant keep your head stuck in the sand and say everything will be alright.

 

[bigrig]

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Don't be disillusioned the $$ are being paid all round and not just to the top 2 sides. Some clubs have spent wisely where others have spent for the sake of getting more numbers.

In 2003 5 or so players at the Pies were paid $75 a game plus incentives other than the coaches which in todays terms is stuff all and we won a premiership!!

Since then our rival GOL GOL have won the last 3 & probably unlucky not to be 4 cups but the rest of the clubs have only 1 thing on there mind come pre-season and that is recruit enough players hopefully with the ability to be competitive to beat Golly.

In saying this the players in demand know there market value has increased because the clubs are desperate to get some success because as you say the league is most likely to be finished in the years to come if these issues are not resolved.

What do you think could work to resolve these issues.

Something like a merger between the SFL reserves/MFL:

• Euston/Robinvale
• Meringur/Wentworth
• Werrimull/Merbein
• Bambill/Sth Mildura
• Gol Gol/Mildura
• Nangiloc/RedCliffs
• Cardross/Irymple
• Imperials stand alone??
• Gol Gol join the SFL??
• Exit league and players to any SFL side??

Whats are your thoughts as much as this can be a touchy issue from people within the clubs as there is history & ex players who would be horrified to merge with another party.

 

[rocket3]

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Don't be disillusioned the $$ are being paid all round and not just to the top 2 sides. Some clubs have spent wisely where others have spent for the sake of getting more numbers.

In 2003 5 or so players at the Pies were paid $75 a game plus incentives other than the coaches which in todays terms is stuff all and we won a premiership!!

Since then our rival GOL GOL have won the last 3 & probably unlucky not to be 4 cups but the rest of the clubs have only 1 thing on there mind come pre-season and that is recruit enough players hopefully with the ability to be competitive to beat Golly.

In saying this the players in demand know there market value has increased because the clubs are desperate to get some success because as you say the league is most likely to be finished in the years to come if these issues are not resolved.

What do you think could work to resolve these issues.

Something like a merger between the SFL reserves/MFL:

• Euston/Robinvale
• Meringur/Wentworth
• Werrimull/Merbein
• Bambill/Sth Mildura
• Gol Gol/Mildura
• Nangiloc/RedCliffs
• Cardross/Irymple
• Imperials stand alone??
• Gol Gol join the SFL??
• Exit league and players to any SFL side??

Whats are your thoughts as much as this can be a touchy issue from people within the clubs as there is history & ex players who would be horrified to merge with another party.

it has been spoken about for a long time now.
That MFL will be a reserves league for the SFL

I would like to think of it like the VFL/AFL

What about a delagation system?

 

[deposit]

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it has been spoken about for a long time now.
That MFL will be a reserves league for the SFL

I would like to think of it like the VFL/AFL

What about a delagation system?

I think you mean relagation like in the round ball over in the UK.

I would not be possible as is stands because there are no Reserves in MFL and thus teams could not just go in and out.

 

[JD36]

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Well said, however the greed of a couple of the clubs will end up sinking the MFL. You wont be able to tell Golly & Bambill to think about the longer term they have a mindset thet will see them looking at the short term as can be seen from the number of 'outside' players at both clubs.

As for the final 4 they might as well change it to a top three as Crady will go out in the first week afetr a spanking from the pies. The only real interest this year will be the games between Bambill & Golly. That will happen 5 times, still not sure who will get up the last time.

How do you think about the longer term, do you go out and play for two or three years with the intent to loose every game so that then you can have a rebuilding stage. I don't think so! The short term is the same for every club at the start of the season that is to win the premiership.

As for the outside players I don't know where you’re coming from as there are not many players in the Millewa that solely come from wherever you consider the Millewa to be. Maybe Bambill and Golly get their players through mates of mates or through family connections, which are built up, around a good club environment (albeit very successful ones at that). Maybe Gol Gol can get players through people coming to the district and then residing in the township of Gol Gol, have you ever thought about that. What about players that are married to daughters of club Stalwarts and supporters, friends of such people etc. this is how clubs like them can continue to attract players. It is not the money, it is the club atmosphere and then the new recruits getting more new recruits the following years, not off loading piles of cash for one or two years, getting the personnel winning for a short period, maybe a flag, then they disappear again and the club struggles again and whinges that others do the same and so on. Werrimull won in 2003 undefeated by 1 point, then the following year won 3 games to finish second bottom. You just need to look at the demise of K/K to see that it doesn't work.

 

[deposit]

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How do you think about the longer term, do you go out and play for two or three years with the intent to loose every game so that then you can have a rebuilding stage. I don't think so! The short term is the same for every club at the start of the season that is to win the premiership.

As for the outside players I don't know where you’re coming from as there are not many players in the Millewa that solely come from wherever you consider the Millewa to be. Maybe Bambill and Golly get their players through mates of mates or through family connections, which are built up, around a good club environment (albeit very successful ones at that). Maybe Gol Gol can get players through people coming to the district and then residing in the township of Gol Gol, have you ever thought about that. What about players that are married to daughters of club Stalwarts and supporters, friends of such people etc. this is how clubs like them can continue to attract players. It is not the money, it is the club atmosphere and then the new recruits getting more new recruits the following years, not off loading piles of cash for one or two years, getting the personnel winning for a short period, maybe a flag, then they disappear again and the club struggles again and whinges that others do the same and so on. Werrimull won in 2003 undefeated by 1 point, then the following year won 3 games to finish second bottom. You just need to look at the demise of K/K to see that it doesn't work.

Take a breath mate.

 

[banman]

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Everyone seems big on the cash talk at the moment. Do we know who is on the take or is this pub talk. Is it all cash that makes people want to play at different clubs or the chance to win a flag.

 

[Harry29]

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Don't be disillusioned the $$ are being paid all round and not just to the top 2 sides. Some clubs have spent wisely where others have spent for the sake of getting more numbers.

In 2003 5 or so players at the Pies were paid $75 a game plus incentives other than the coaches which in todays terms is stuff all and we won a premiership!!

Since then our rival GOL GOL have won the last 3 & probably unlucky not to be 4 cups but the rest of the clubs have only 1 thing on there mind come pre-season and that is recruit enough players hopefully with the ability to be competitive to beat Golly.

In saying this the players in demand know there market value has increased because the clubs are desperate to get some success because as you say the league is most likely to be finished in the years to come if these issues are not resolved.

What do you think could work to resolve these issues.

Something like a merger between the SFL reserves/MFL:

• Euston/Robinvale
• Meringur/Wentworth
• Werrimull/Merbein
• Bambill/Sth Mildura
• Gol Gol/Mildura
• Nangiloc/RedCliffs
• Cardross/Irymple
• Imperials stand alone??
• Gol Gol join the SFL??
• Exit league and players to any SFL side??

Whats are your thoughts as much as this can be a touchy issue from people within the clubs as there is history & ex players who would be horrified to merge with another party.

The SFL will not want to lose major league status as would happen if the Millewa League folded or was merged into the SFL.

But as it stands now the Millewa League is heading toward oblivion with LOCATION of clubs being the main reason. It will become increasingly hard for the two remaining lake sides, Nangiloc & Euston to compete against clubs that are located basically in Mildura. Gol Gol is one of the fastest growing areas in Sunraysia & they will always attract players because of this & their proximity to Mildura. Bambill have given themselves every chance to compete with Gol Gol now they are based at the High School. Cardross should always be able to attract players with their location as well. Which leaves the rest, Werrimull are reasonably strong as this point in time but are up and down, Nangiloc nearly died and still have some way to go, We (Meringur) are struggling at the moment after playing in a Grand Final two years ago & Euston will always be fighting with Robinvale for numbers.

The competition can't function without all teams and at this stage Gol Gol & Bambill may be left to play themselves.

 

[Harry29]

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Everyone seems big on the cash talk at the moment. Do we know who is on the take or is this pub talk. Is it all cash that makes people want to play at different clubs or the chance to win a flag.

All clubs have money & are capable of fund raising & attracting sponsors.

 

[bigrig]

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How do you think about the longer term, do you go out and play for two or three years with the intent to loose every game so that then you can have a rebuilding stage. I don't think so! The short term is the same for every club at the start of the season that is to win the premiership.

As for the outside players I don't know where you’re coming from as there are not many players in the Millewa that solely come from wherever you consider the Millewa to be. Maybe Bambill and Golly get their players through mates of mates or through family connections, which are built up, around a good club environment (albeit very successful ones at that). Maybe Gol Gol can get players through people coming to the district and then residing in the township of Gol Gol, have you ever thought about that. What about players that are married to daughters of club Stalwarts and supporters, friends of such people etc. this is how clubs like them can continue to attract players. It is not the money, it is the club atmosphere and then the new recruits getting more new recruits the following years, not off loading piles of cash for one or two years, getting the personnel winning for a short period, maybe a flag, then they disappear again and the club struggles again and whinges that others do the same and so on. Werrimull won in 2003 undefeated by 1 point, then the following year won 3 games to finish second bottom. You just need to look at the demise of K/K to see that it doesn't work.

Thanks for painting a pretty picture of Gol Gol that players only play for the love of the club & atmosphere etc etc.

What a load of s...!!

You obviously play for them or involved is some form of manner??

I accept some of your explaination is true like location/atmosphere/family but do not tell me that Golly do not pay money$$ an there are not players merley there for that fact!!

I will not mentioned names but no of 1 player no longer there that was on $250 a game and there is personal currently still playing that would be well paid as they are of SFL quality!

It is easy to say this as you have 3 flags in the bag and of course people like success so the obvious move is to join that culture. Being in town is a huge pull for that travel factor is taken out of the equation for training and game day.

Werrimull paid stuff all in 2003 and lost a lot of players to big money and other leagues the following year which typifies its stance on not paying huge money back then. They are also a family club with great atmosphere and terrific group of guys but this is not the only ingredient for success. Player shortage/lack of funds & commitee help would be a few of the problems causing most concerns to the other clubs.

What you need to do is take the blinkers off and look at what is currently happening to the rest of the league because of your pure domination over the last 3-4 years. The fact you have the perfect club in your eyes does not mean that there is not a $$ problem within the league. Its got to the stage that clubs are desperate for numbers to be competitve that they are paying any $$ to good/average & poor players.

Bambill$$ has just joined the club and it shows what kind of recruiting is needed to become a successful unit to compete with the big boys!!

I spoke to a Werrimull member and he said Bambills average height is 6ft 1 and they are fit and skilfull which is the perfect ingredient in this comp as most other clubs would be the opposite in some areas.

 

[Skeeterman]

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Well said, however the greed of a couple of the clubs will end up sinking the MFL. You wont be able to tell Golly & Bambill to think about the longer term they have a mindset thet will see them looking at the short term as can be seen from the number of 'outside' players at both clubs.

As for the final 4 they might as well change it to a top three as Crady will go out in the first week afetr a spanking from the pies. The only real interest this year will be the games between Bambill & Golly. That will happen 5 times, still not sure who will get up the last time.

On what I have seen of both teams Bambill should slaughter Golly. The only hope Golly have is if they have picked up recruits in the past month as they are not in the same class as Bambill.

What happened to Werrimull on the weekend? Did they have injuries, a bad day or are they just not as good as we expected? I would not be suprised if they beat Golly this week as on paper I rate there side as better.

I think the second half of the year will see a few people suprised by results but in saying that you would be a fool to tip against Bambill at this stage as they seem to be solid across all lines with size, skill and fitness to burn.

 

[rocket3]

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How do you think about the longer term, do you go out and play for two or three years with the intent to loose every game so that then you can have a rebuilding stage. I don't think so! The short term is the same for every club at the start of the season that is to win the premiership.

its not up to the players and coaching staff to think long term, its up to the committee.
And if they arent, then they are not doing their job for the best of the club

Werrimull won in 2003 undefeated by 1 point, then the following year won 3 games to finish second bottom. You just need to look at the demise of K/K to see that it doesn't work.

so you agree that the clubs and the league have to look long term then?

The SFL will not want to lose major league status as would happen if the Millewa League folded or was merged into the SFL.

there is not much they (SFL) can do about it.
5 teams dont make up a league
If they dont want the MFL to go, then they should start filtering players down into the MFL league,
Maybe players that cant make the reverses sides?
I dont know what the answers could be, but its easy for the wealthier clubs to shut their eyes and say "keep up" but in the end, those wealthier clubs wont have a league anyway.

 

[deposit]

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It would be good if we could talk about footy here, however the league is that one sided and games are really quite borring, there is nothing to talk about.

 

[rocket3]

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I have heard from a mate that Cardross will now play all home games at home.
The new rooms are not finished but they need people down through the gate so they are making do with what rooms they have for the time being.

I think there has been a hold up in building permits etc

 

[Skeeterman]

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I have heard from a mate that Cardross will now play all home games at home.
The new rooms are not finished but they need people down through the gate so they are making do with what rooms they have for the time being.

I think there has been a hold up in building permits etc

Cardross played Nangiloc at home 2 weeks ago so yeah all home games will be at home.